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New Pay for Recruits

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  • Personally, I remain sceptical that all successful candidates from Campaign 1 starting post-September will be on £23k. Too much conflicting information from different bodies, so I'm keeping an open mind. With the budget cuts and funding issues the public sector is faced with, I think it's only right to take things with a pinch of salt and expect anything. Might be a pleasant surprise then if it does stay at £23k. That's just my opinion, though.

    The new pay & conditions agreement will undoubtedly lead to some good and eager candidates not applying because of the financial burden involved and/or a perceived lack of risk v adequate remuneration. That's inevitable, but that's unfortunately just the way it is. I think it's unfair, however, to lambaste anyone who is worried about whether it'd be financially viable to join given other potential commitments they may have.




  • Didnt intend to fall out with or annoy anyone with what I said, just getting at the fact that there is no point in speculating about what's going to happen. I would hate to see pay reduced to £19k despite others being on 23 or whatever it is. People should make their concerns known to HR and I'm sure they would go out of their way to put people's minds at ease.

    Speculation doesn't help anyone sleep easier at night, certainly not me anyway! :D




  • Don't take the risk then, turn down their offer. Speculating about whether HR is lieng is crazy in my opinion.

    There will be no risk by the time i'm in my friend as it will be at least september and we will have more information to go on hopefully. I didn't really mean that they were lying, just that they have only been given so much info and might not know. So things can change. Anyway speculation is all that you and I have to go on at the min .




  • Everyone will end up in due time on the same wage, those on the 23k wage will have a pay freeze for two years at pay point 3 or 4 as said on the circular, the minute that anyone joins the PSNI there are officers on the top bracket instantly due to their tenure, and you will have the RUC boys on even more, pay scales are all over the show, that's the reality of public servants especially in the 21st century. It doesn't affect me in the same way as it would others, but I appreciate the concern others would have.

    The new pension proposals are more a worry, if successful, that will have a more detrimental effect on new recruits than pay which eventually goes up, but with the new proposals of mandatory 35 years and 5% less for each year taken earlier than the 35 years, and the pay more for less pension is kinda mental bare in mind officers pay in excess for a full pension 500 pound a month into their pensions, if this goes through, the days of retiring on a good amount of money and a nice annual pension are none existent.

    At the end of the day, everything is changing because of these budget cuts. I suppose all will reveal itself come September when we will know the score for those in the 1309 campaign, but people should be wary of the pension proposals too, as its going to have a bigger impact than the new salaries in the long term anyway.




  • Anyone not at all attracted in the money aspect of the police career (or any career) is in a small minority. I would love to have that dedication/calling but it's not my reality. When you're in you will see just how money obsessed peelers are!

    When you're risking life and limb, checking your car every morning doing long unsociable hours, travelling and dealing with society's lowlife alongside ridiculous ombudsman complaints it is only natural to expect a higher wage than 19k.

    Just my take on it. I understand some would do it for free. But that romanticised notion doesn't fly in my world I'm afraid.


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  • I know fine rightly marfrig, if you check back you will see me giving out stink about it too ! I'm happy enough to believe HR in what they say - that pay will remain the same. Should be it a case that pay is cut, we can already see the effects of that here.

    A reduction would (and will) be detrimental for the PSNI, it simply wont attract the same caliber of people as it has in the past.

    Anyway, we're getting away from the point - No point in speculating, if you want to do anything constructive - contact your local MLA to have a parliamentary question put to the justice minister.





  • When you're risking life and limb, checking your car every morning doing long unsociable hours, travelling and dealing with society's lowlife alongside ridiculous ombudsman complaints it is only natural to expect a higher wage than 19k.

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    You won't be doing it for 19k, 19k is just for training.

    Another factor is the extra 3k N.I. allowance you get factored into your salary from when you enter training as well which brings it above the rest of UK.

    If you don't like the wage, you don't have to take the job, simple as that :)




  • Anyway, we're getting away from the point - No point in speculating, if you want to do anything constructive - contact your local MLA to have a parliamentary question put to the justice minister.[/quote]

    Here's an idea why don't you do it. Instead of giving off maybe you could channel your frustration or whatever it is into something good.




  • Well maybe I would if I actually lived in Northern Ireland but it just so happens I don't.

    PS Not giving out, just merely putting an idea out there. :)




  • We are an argumentative bunch today; is it a full moon? :D

    If the pay situation is dividing 'potential' officers here what will it be like in the stations?

    My opinion is EVERYTHING is subject to change especially with the continuous budget cuts. As Highburylad said they could start you on £23k and then freeze it for a few years. Or they could start you on £19k and bump you to £23k next year.

    I really think statements like 'if you don't like the pay don't take the job' are not very helpful. I don't like the pay in my current job but I took it; I also like to have moan about once in a while. It's what we do :)

    Everyone needs to take the ice water challenge and cool down :)

    (18 days until IST results :D)


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  • Well maybe I would if I actually lived in Northern Ireland but it just so happens I don't.

    PS Not giving out, just merely putting an idea out there. :)

    Bloody foreigners coming here taking our jobs and our women!! ;):D




  • Well maybe I would if I actually lived in Northern Ireland but it just so happens I don't.

    PS Not giving out, just merely putting an idea out there. :)

    No bother bud. We'll leave it there. Good luck in the rest of the process anyway.




  • Homer01 wrote: »
    Bloody foreigners coming here taking our jobs and our women!! ;):D

    They can take the women for all I care. 😄




  • mahoney1 wrote: »
    They can take the women for all I care. 😄

    Ah Mahoney shall that be you purposely dropping the soap in Garnerville then?!

    ;)




  • 0O0 wrote: »
    Ah Mahoney shall that be you purposely dropping the soap in Garnerville then?!

    ;)

    Ha ha. Mind you I have butter fingers.




  • All that has been said from inside the training complex is that the next squad will be on £19k, thats the next squad entering from the 2013 campaign. It is widely known amongst all students, staff and other members of the policing family that this is the case. It's just a case of tough titty, I wouldn't be keen on it and wouldn't leave my old job for that money but thats the way the cookie crumbles unfortunately. Everyone will tell you that it is worth it thought as its the best job in the world. Plus with the shortage of officers you are guaranteed at least £30K per annum when you include overtime.




  • All that has been said from inside the training complex is that the next squad will be on £19k, thats the next squad entering from the 2013 campaign. It is widely known amongst all students, staff and other members of the policing family that this is the case. It's just a case of tough titty, I wouldn't be keen on it and wouldn't leave my old job for that money but thats the way the cookie crumbles unfortunately. Everyone will tell you that it is worth it thought as its the best job in the world. Plus with the shortage of officers you are guaranteed at least £30K per annum when you include overtime.

    its all fair and well saying tough titty etc but would you be saying that if you were on the next intake? Not that im having a go but if this is the case they have opened the floodgates....not only is it unfair that folk are going to be on a lower wage due to no fault of their own but its highly unethical and unprofessional that other students etc know this when the folk on the next few intakes havnt been told diddly squat.......




  • I find it hard to believe that they've lured people into the next intake under false pretenses. Are they really going to let people quit their jobs/hand in their notice/uproot their families etc etc only to turn around and say the salary is lower than anticipated. It would be a minefield.




  • Dekkers wrote: »
    I find it hard to believe that they've lured people into the next intake under false pretenses. Are they really going to let people quit their jobs/hand in their notice/uproot their families etc etc only to turn around and say the salary is lower than anticipated. It would be a minefield.

    im in that exact situation, notice in, relocating next month.......




  • pcplod wrote: »
    im in that exact situation, notice in, relocating next month.......

    I'd like to think they would have made it clear IF you were going to be earning significantly less than anticipated at the time of your call. Why risk a high drop out post induction (where I assume this would be discussed) or even worse once training has begun.

    Personally I believe the starting salary for all 2013 candidates will be £23k. I have correspondence to this effect and see no reason for a lie from PSNI HR.


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  • I agree that they have opened the floodgates, it's ridiculous. But unfortunately they have covered themselves by putting the footnote in the campaign saying that it is subject to change. They justify it by saying that you will get on the same level within a few years and will still get to max constable pay after 7 years but i'd be happier getting the higher initial wage to be honest




  • I agree that they have opened the floodgates, it's ridiculous. But unfortunately they have covered themselves by putting the footnote in the campaign saying that it is subject to change. They justify it by saying that you will get on the same level within a few years and will still get to max constable pay after 7 years but i'd be happier getting the higher initial wage to be honest

    How is that justifying it?

    What's about the thousands that you miss out on during those years to get to the same level???

    Where is your information coming from? I believe you've been misled




  • Were those told by HR that it's 23k told verbally or by email? If by email I would keep that email safe!

    I just worry those in HR who deal with routine external queries would not be in a position to actually know. They may believe its 23k but the command teams who decide these things haven't properly disseminated the decision yet.




  • Ok people so Timmy has been doing his numbers!

    I am not at all saying that the following information is correct down to the pound because my calculations have been made on a couple of small adjustments (due to laziness ;))

    Adjustment 1 - My calculation for the first pay scale (during G'ville) is based on 6 months pay and not the correct amount of weeks.

    Adjustment 2 - Year 4 under the REVISED 2014 PAYSCALE I have used 6 months pay from each of the 2 yearly wage figures published, on the assumption that this year for the new pay scale contains an extra pay rise - presumably at the 6 month mark.

    None of these figures take into account tax and all that jazz ...

    ACCUMULATIVE PAY UP TO YEAR 5 (where the two pay scales match up)

    £23k starting pay = APPROX £151,744

    £19k starting pay = APPROX £127,671.50

    That means that those that start on the £19k Payscale will be paid APPROX £24,072.50 LESS THAN the £23k starters over the 5 years.

    Now I am not being a sh*t about it, but to me that's a lot of money over 5 years , new car/good lump of the mortgage/dream holiday/dream wedding lots of things to us on the ground, and I should like to think that the PSNI wouldn't drop the pay so dramatically - especially for those of us that have been delayed through this process for no good and viable fault of our own, but due to Deloittes clerical errors. To miss out on that money is a blow, I'd take this job at £17k because it's what I want to do... But to advertise and then change the amount by so much... I believe is extremely unethical and doesn't provide much inspiration for people who are already taking a paycut for the advertised £23k per annum.




  • Surely the remaining squads due to enter training from the 2013 campaign would be notified at the earliest possible opportunity that the pay they expected will be reduced. A number of things to consider:-

    1. The dropout rate would be unfeasible, due to the immediate need for police officers.

    2. The huge waste of resources/finances to allow candidates to proceed through the latter stages such as PCA, medical etc. Only for them to turn down the job offer due to the salary cut.

    3. How could they justify reducing the salary for some of this campaign and not the others? It would be like McDonalds paying someone less than another who started a week earlier, even though they applied through same advert with the same job/benefits description. They could possibly leave themselves open to unfair treatment cases (just a thought, I'm no expert).

    4. Why would the training staff at GV now about salary changes? It has nothing to do with them. They are not HR, I highly doubt they are involved in anything pay related and would therefore be going on speculation, same as any student officers that may say the same.

    5. The guys in HR are presumably professional and would in all likelihood make it their business to know what pay rates are for this campaign, especially due to the fact candidates are contacting them to find out.




  • I forgot to add;-

    Some folk who achieved top end results at both IST and AC could face starting off on a reduced salary compared to someone who got less than them due the length of time some vetting takes....seems a bit unreasonable.




  • 2013 recruits will be on £23259 as advertised when we applied.

    Correction:
    Starting pay point - £23,493

    Pay rates are due to change slightly in September, but its an increase, we wont be going on to the new payscales.




  • JayC90 have you had that confirmed by HR, they are still ignoring every email I have sent to them.




  • As JayC has said, and separately from wherever he found out, I can CONFIRM that ALL applicants from 2013 recruitment campaign will be on the higher wage band if successful. :)


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  • Skip84 wrote: »
    JayC90 have you had that confirmed by HR, they are still ignoring every email I have sent to them.

    Aye confirmed and finance sent me the pay banding as well


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