Job offer rescinded.

DazedConfused

Hello there,

I have a legal issue with a job offer that has been rescinded.

A few months ago I applied to a job, did some phone interviews then went to a full day interview. A few days later I received a call from the recruitment company that represent this company and was given a verbal job offer. I accepted this offer. I was given no terms in this verbal offer or conditions.

A few weeks later I received an email from the HR congratulating me on the job offer and requesting from pre employment checks (Criminal etc.). Then a few weeks after that again I received a contract of employment. In that contact it states that I required a certain Leaving Cert result and college result. Now I knew about this condition going into the interviews, but did not have my college result yet, but satisfied the Leaving Certificate result (But predicted my result)

Now when I got my college result it satisfied one of the conditions, but with this it required a slightly higher Leaving Cert result, fair enough. Now on the company website it states it took personal circumstances into account for not reaching the Leaving Cert result that was required and that discretion is applied on an individual basis.

So I contacted HR and told them about my legitimate issues I had during my time doing the LC that actually reduced my performance, fine. Then I get contact that back that due to all the information I gave, they will have to rescind the job offer.

The thing is, they requested the breakdown of my final year subject wise in University with the Leaving Cert results. That shows me that they took my subject choice into account and exact percentages. The reason I feel this is unfair is because I satisfied that condition of employment that was in all the documentation (All it said was, must have a 2.1). They only stated that they would take into account personal circumstances for a reduced LC result.

Should they not have just decided if my personal circumstance reduced my performance in the LC? When they rescinded my job offer, they did not state that my personal circumstances were not enough or anything like that. Rather they said that they took all information given into account as well as the mitigating circumstances. Surely that is contradicting their own documentation?

I had a reasonable expectation of this job after the verbal offer and different checks, then only to come to this contract. So I essentially wasted more than a month where I thought I had this job. But apart from that, it seems they are going against what they say themselves in writing and this seems very unfair

jackboy

They probably rescinded the offer due to the 'personal circumstances' you told them about. A lot of companies have little time for poor performance due to issues at home. You should not have voluntered the info up front.

DazedConfused

Well it does not seem that way at all, they seem to have taken other criteria into account. What they told me beforehand in writing is fundamentally different :S

They also sent me emails welcoming me and giving me a start date/dress code etc, days before I even got a contract.

yosser hughes

What kind of job is it? It seems bizarre that they would care about your Leaving cert results when you have a 2.1 degree.
To be honest I'd have volunteered nothing.
Depending on what they are I'd say it's the "personal circumstances" that has changed their minds.Harsh but probably true.

Holsten

Please name this employer... Leaving cert results? Jesus.....

DazedConfused

That is not the point, I am just wondering if I have any legal leg to stand on.

They say about how they will account for personal circumstances in relation to Leaving Cert results. And mine would be significant.

The fact that they asked me not only for my degree result but a break down of the percentages of the last year etc, means they were talking this into account to which is contradictory to what they told me before hand! The fact that one simply reaches the 2.1 or whatever, was enough. Surely they can not write one thing and then do another?

Snake

DazedConfused wrote: »

That is not the point, I am just wondering if I have any legal leg to stand on.

They say about how they will account for personal circumstances in relation to Leaving Cert results. And mine would be significant.

The fact that they asked me not only for my degree result but a break down of the percentages of the last year etc, means they were talking this into account to which is contradictory to what they told me before hand! The fact that one simply reaches the 2.1 or whatever, was enough. Surely they can not write one thing and then do another?

If you didn't sign a contract they can do whatever they want

Morte

If your circumstance would touch on one of the equality statuses (disability etc.) then it would be worthwhile seeing a lawyer I would think.

Otherwise it may be that they don't think of much as your circumstances as you do. It's designed for truly exceptional events that are obviously of a temporary nature. Stuff like "a lunatic drunk driver ran me over and I spent most of 6th year in hospital." It's not a get out of jail card for those with a sob story and it's not for stuff that may pose a problem in the future.

Cushie Butterfield

Taking something into account doesn't guarantee a favourable outcome.

Big Nelly

From there position:

You lied, saying you predicted your result is a fancy way of saying you lied on the application forms.

They are probably not even looking at the Leaving cert, more that you lied about your college result and then when found out you came up some story about your leaving cert? if you had put this case forward at the start you might of got somewhere, but coming in after you lied just questions everything you say......

Any company would run a mile, your haven't even started and you are lying and coming up with excuses already.....huge warning lights start flashing in HR

This is not a personal attack but just taking it from the companies point of view.

bennyineire

Plenty of companies look for Leaving Cert results, I completed a Master's Degree in Computer Science in which I got a 2:1, I applied for a job with Paddy Power and I stalled at the first hurdle because I didn't have 450 points in my Leaving Cert, I done my Leaving Cert in 1995 :eek:.
So in Paddy Powers eyes my Leaving Cert results from 19 years ago is just as important as my Masters Degree from this year, go figure. I guess it say a lot about the company and their HR department.

TimeToShine

OP you said you satisfied the LC result early on in the post and were waiting for your college results, and then suddenly you got your 2.1 but no longer met the LC requirement? When did the goalposts change?

Holsten wrote: »

Please name this employer... Leaving cert results? Jesus.....

Loads of employers look at LC results when taking on graduates. As useless as it is it's the only truly standardized test we have in the country. If an employer is looking at two engineers/science graduates from different colleges and one has an A1 in HL maths and a 2.1 versus a C2 with first class honours you can bet your ass they'll take the former. Same applies to the big 4 who have a requirement of 450 points + will definitely look at your maths/accounting/economics result in the LC.

For the more senior positions I would be surprised if they cared. To the guy above me who did the LC in '95, I'm sure if you told them how old you were the requirement would have been waived. 450 points 20 years ago is a far, far bigger achievement than it is now. They were just trying to narrow down their pool of early 20's graduates.

Morte wrote: »

If your circumstance would touch on one of the equality statuses (disability etc.) then it would be worthwhile seeing a lawyer I would think.

No it isn't.

whomitconcerns

bennyineire wrote: »

Plenty of companies look for Leaving Cert results, I completed a Master's Degree in Computer Science in which I got a 2:1, I applied for a job with Paddy Power and I stalled at the first hurdle because I didn't have 450 points in my Leaving Cert, I done my Leaving Cert in 1995 :eek:.
So in Paddy Powers eyes my Leaving Cert results from 19 years ago is just as important as my Masters Degree from this year, go figure. I guess it say a lot about the company and their HR department.

paddy power didnt give you a job because of an almost 20 year old leaving cert result??????????????whattttttttttt?

MayoAreMagic

I would say they just didn't think as much of the mitigating circumstances as you did. It can happen, people have different opinions on things. Don't get too bogged down in it. If you got one job you can get another. Get your CV up to speed so in future there is no confusion and look elsewhere.
Best of luck.

DazedConfused

No I didn't lie about anything. Its a grad program and there are multiple different entry levels, depending on results. I had to predict my uni result as I didn't have them yet, but got below what I thought.

The problem is, I was given a verbal offer with no conditions, which I accepted (So I thought it was fine and the results were to get through applications but once you had a genuine offer, you had it). Then they did the pre-employment checks and all that, all backwards. I have a copy of everything though, including the verbal offer. I have been told that they had to give conditions in the verbal offer and can't just add them later. Problem is, there are many different outsourced companies involved during the process, dealing with different aspects (HR, recruitment etc), but all ultimately representing the one. It's hardly my fault if along the way they didn't do checks they were supposed to and stuff.

goz83

Such is life. The dazed and confused feeling will subside. Guessing uni results? Questionable at best.

Big Nelly

DazedConfused wrote: »

No I didn't lie about anything. Its a grad program and there are multiple different entry levels, depending on results. I had to predict my uni result as I didn't have them yet, but got below what I thought.

You "predicated" your results and didn't get them. From what you have said that means you don't qualify for the job

DazedConfused wrote: »

It's hardly my fault if along the way they didn't do checks they were supposed to and stuff.

No its your fault that you "predicated" your results and you didn't get them.

Onwards and upwards, no point crying over it now.