Fined €500

LiverpoolLad95

Fined €500 for not having dog licences . No one was at home so no one could present the dog licences (which we have) so the feckn dog warden fined us. Anyway, the warden had the wrong address - To the Keeper, WRONG ADDRESS, TOWN, COUNTY, could I complain about this? All the neighbours got warnings and I get fined :mad::mad::mad::mad:. AND NONE OF them even have licences:mad:

Kimbot

Ring them and explain you have a licence, give him the number off it and the fine should disappear.

No Pants

I'd open a complaint with them also. They should have a record of there being a licence for the address.

LiverpoolLad95

jonny24ie wrote: »

Ring them and explain you have a licence, give him the number off it and the fine should disappear.

Tried it, proved very uncooperative, look at these pensioners, didn't even own the dog.

http://www.independent.ie/regionals/droghedaindependent/news/couple-refuse-to-pay-dog-licence-fine-29865453.html

From previous threads I think having the wrong address on the fine means you can get off on a technicality, but I'm just nervous about this.

LiverpoolLad95

No Pants wrote: »

I'd open a complaint with them also. They should have a record of there being a licence for the address.

Then surely they should of known my neighbours haven't got any, but he gives them warnings to present their licences within 10 days to the nearest county council office. Do I have to be present to incur these fines? Surely its wrong I got fined when I was absent? He came during working hrs so to expct me to be home was idiotic, and seems some what of a scam!!

TheChizler

How did they even know for sure you had a dog?

No Pants

LiverpoolLad95 wrote: »

Then surely they should of known my neighbours have got any, but he gives them warnings to present their licences within 10 days to the nearest county council office. Do I have to be present to incur these fines? Surely its wrong I got fined when I was absent? He came during working hrs so to expct me to be home was idiotic, and seems some what of a scam!!

Your neighbours are irrelevant. Focus on your own situation. Ask the council to explain why a fine was issued on the basis of no one being at home during the working day.

LiverpoolLad95

TheChizler wrote: »

How did they even know for sure you had a dog?

My dog was in the back pen, the lad was obviously snooping around. Wouldn't mind only to get there you have to pass through 2 closed fences, any normal person would have to get the owners permission but I expect these 'dog wardens' are above the law.:mad:

LiverpoolLad95

No Pants wrote: »

Your neighbours are irrelevant. Focus on your own situation. Ask the council to explain why a fine was issued on the basis of no one being at home during the working day.

Is it legal to do so??

wrt40

But you do in fact have a licence so there is no problem here, you just need to present it. Something sounds dodgy here, is the send to address on the fine Nigeria by any chance?

LiverpoolLad95

wrt40 wrote: »

But you do in fact have a licence so there is no problem here, you just need to present it. Something sounds dodgy here, is the send to address on the fine Nigeria by any chance?

You would think that, but no. The address I have to send the fines to are legit, as that is where my local county council is situated. Sure, looking at previous threads this woman got a warning for not having a dog licence for her dead dog :mad:.

LiverpoolLad95

wrt40 wrote: »

But you do in fact have a licence so there is no problem here, you just need to present it. Something sounds dodgy here, is the send to address on the fine Nigeria by any chance?

I do, admittedly it took me a while after they sent me a reminder a few weeks back, had the licences about a week now, genuinely think my only option is the wrong address. The man didn't even know my name, he just wrote to the keeper and gave the wrong address. Surely that could get me off the fines? I cannot afford to pay these fines, and if I don't I'm facing another €1200 fines.

ForestFire

If the address is worng, can you clarify how you received the fine.
i presumne it is not posted? Does the inspector drop int in your letterbox directly?
Is your name on the fine or "the keeper"

Can't see how this could be deemed as a legal fine?
As others said, call in tell them you have a licence

Kimbot

LiverpoolLad95 wrote: »

I do, admittedly it took me a while after they sent me a reminder a few weeks back, had the licences about a week now, genuinely think my only option is the wrong address. The man didn't even know my name, he just wrote to the keeper and gave the wrong address. Surely that could get me off the fines? I cannot afford to pay these fines, and if I don't I'm facing another €1200 fines.

Sorry OP but can you clarify the following:

1: What date did you obtain the fine?
2: What date did you obtain the licence?

ShaShaBear

Something is less than right here. It would seem only logical to go to your office with the "fine" and the licences with the date on them clearly showing you had them BEFORE the fine was issued, and job done!

LiverpoolLad95

ForestFire wrote: »

If the address is worng, can you clarify how you received the fine.
i presumne it is not posted? Does the inspector drop int in your letterbox directly?
Is your name on the fine or "the keeper"

Can't see how this could be deemed as a legal fine?
As others said, call in tell them you have a licence

My name is not on the address, the address is wrong, it was just pinned under a rock outside the door, anyone could of put it there tbh. A few years back I had a legal case specifically about this address, the council tried to fine for building on the address they used on the fines, but as the house was build on my actual address, they had to drop the case. Dunno why but they always seem to think I live in x when I live in y. I have tried calling in, but to no avail, I previously posted a link stating that the man didn't even own the dog, but he got fined and they wouldn't even let him off it.

mikom

LiverpoolLad95 wrote: »

Fined €500 for not having dog licences . No one was at home so no one could present the dog licences (which we have) so the feckn dog warden fined us. Anyway, the warden had the wrong address - To the Keeper, WRONG ADDRESS, TOWN, COUNTY, could I complain about this? All the neighbours got warnings and I get fined :mad::mad::mad::mad:. AND NONE OF them even have licences:mad:

Is your name "The Keeper"?
If it isn't, then I'd wipe my hole with the fine.

ShaShaBear

LiverpoolLad95 wrote: »

My name is not on the address, the address is wrong, it was just pinned under a rock outside the door, anyone could of put it there tbh. A few years back I had a legal case specifically about this address, the council tried to fine for building on the address they used on the fines, but as the house was build on my actual address, they had to drop the case. Dunno why but they always seem to think I live in x when I live in y. I have tried calling in, but to no avail, I previously posted a link stating that the man didn't even own the dog, but he got fined and they wouldn't even let him off it.

But if you have licences for the dogs with the date of issue being before that of the fine, it doesn't matter if the address is wrong - you have licensed dogs and can just go in and show them that and never mind the wrong address.

LiverpoolLad95

ShaShaBear wrote: »

Something is less than right here. It would seem only logical to go to your office with the "fine" and the licences with the date on them clearly showing you had them BEFORE the fine was issued, and job done!

When I say local county council office, its an hr drive each way. I spoken on the phone, they checking but they haven't got back in 2 days (phoned last night). Got the licence 9th July, got the reminder abouts the 20th of June, and the fines on the 13th of July.

Raminahobbin

That doesn't sound right- on the few occasions I've dealt with a dog warden, they've approached me out walking the dog and issued me with a demand to send the licence to a particular address within 10 days (since obviously I don't carry it with me), or there would be a fine. Once, my licence had even expired and the date for the new one was a couple of days after he stopped me as I had to go out and renew it then.

It doesn't seem right that they would just hit you with a fine straight away- what are you supposed to do, sellotape it to your front window??

I think this is a scam. I'd be very suspicious of it, tbh.

ShaShaBear

LiverpoolLad95 wrote: »

When I say local county council office, its an hr drive each way. I spoken on the phone, they checking but they haven't got back in 2 days (phoned last night). Got the licence 9th July, got the reminder abouts the 20th of June, and the fines on the 13th of July.

Well then I would simply ignore the fine. If the date on the licence is before the date of the fine, they can't do anything. And since you've already alerted them to the mistake, it going to court will only end in extra expense on their behalf. You are not liable for a fine if you have the licence.

martinr5232

It doesnt have your name it has the wrong address and it was left under a rock outside your house ?? I wouldnt even waste my time with a phonecall do what he said ^^^ just watchout for paper cuts.

LiverpoolLad95

People are making difficult here, I've phoned them telling them I have the licences, and they haven't got back yet, from previous encounters with the Council (planning permissions, etc.) they take a good while to get back. I have just over two weeks to deal with the fines, otherwise their taking me to court. YES, I have licences, yes one would think that should be enough, as I said from my previous case with them, their very dodgy and it took over a year to resolve. I am sorry if I'm not be clear, but I'm really stressed from all this.

ShaShaBear

LiverpoolLad95 wrote: »

People are making difficult here, I've phoned them telling them I have the licences, and they haven't got back yet, from previous encounters with the Council (planning permissions, etc.) they take a good while to get back. I have just over two weeks to deal with the fines, otherwise their taking me to court. YES, I have licences, yes one would think that should be enough, as I said from my previous case with them, their very dodgy and it took over a year to resolve. I am sorry if I'm not be clear, but I'm really stressed from all this.

I think people are more concerned that it sounds like some sort of scam and obviously we'd all want to know about it if that were the case!

But seriously, do not stress over it - even if they take forever and issue a court summons, go and present the licence and the fine to the judge. You'll be in and out in 5 minutes, and the council will look like a right set of arses when you tell the judge that, not only did you have a licence, but you also informed them of such and they ignored it.

On a side note, was the fine for not having a licence? It wasn't for something else dog-related?

LiverpoolLad95

martinr5232 wrote: »

It doesnt have your name it has the wrong address and it was left under a rock outside your house ?? I wouldnt even waste my time with a phonecall do what he said ^^^ just watchout for paper cuts.

I can take a photo of everything if you want, to PROVE everything is in order (it would have to be Friday though, limited access to internet). Don't have the internet at home so I have had to come into town.

Anyway, in response to your post yes it seems the most idiotic thing. But if I don't deal with this they WILL fine €1,200 and prison is an option. I have my neighbours warnings as well, which in my view is a bit discriminative that they get warnings, surely this man can't act upon his own discretion?

I will be going to my solicitors tonight to see my options anyway.

mikom

LiverpoolLad95 wrote: »

People are making difficult here, I've phoned them telling them I have the licences, and they haven't got back yet, from previous encounters with the Council (planning permissions, etc.) they take a good while to get back. I have just over two weeks to deal with the fines, otherwise their taking me to court. YES, I have licences, yes one would think that should be enough, as I said from my previous case with them, their very dodgy and it took over a year to resolve. I am sorry if I'm not be clear, but I'm really stressed from all this.

Scan/phograph the fine and post it up here.
I'm sure we'd all like to get a look at this official document.

Blot out any incriminating details though first.

moonshadow

Leave the fine at the actual address on the envelope , it's not your name not your address not your problem !!

LiverpoolLad95

ShaShaBear wrote: »

I think people are more concerned that it sounds like some sort of scam and obviously we'd all want to know about it if that were the case!

But seriously, do not stress over it - even if they take forever and issue a court summons, go and present the licence and the fine to the judge. You'll be in and out in 5 minutes, and the council will look like a right set of arses when you tell the judge that, not only did you have a licence, but you also informed them of such and they ignored it.

On a side note, was the fine for not having a licence? It wasn't for something else dog-related?

The man signed it, he ticked the box that said I didn't have a licence. Hopefully that will be the case. If it was a scam, surely my neighbours woulld of got fines too, and not warnings. Also the address I have to send the fines to are legit, as I have been there before and I have looked it up on the internet. I was looking up a dog wardens rights, and it seems he can come onto my property and issue me with on the spot the fines. So as I wasn't there I couldn't give them to him. The doors were locked, so obviously no one was home.

shruikan2553

Send something written mentioning the call. Then you have proof you tried to deal with it.

LiverpoolLad95

mikom wrote: »

Scan/phograph the fine and post it up here.
I'm sure we'd all like to get a look at this official document.

Blot out any incriminating details though first.

Will do, tomorrow if I have the chance. It isn't on me right now, I was at the gym and decided on the spur of the moment to ask some fellow boardsies. I'd upload the warnings, fines etc. Don't worry about the incriminating stuff though, all he got right was the town (which is 10km from where I live) and the county.

LiverpoolLad95

moonshadow wrote: »

Leave the fine at the actual address on the envelope , it's not your name not your address not your problem !!

But here's the thing, I think I know of the place the put down, and the only person (literally) that lives at that address is an old woman, couldn't do that to her.

ShaShaBear

LiverpoolLad95 wrote: »

Will do, tomorrow if I have the chance. It isn't on me right now, I was at the gym and decided on the spur of the moment to ask some fellow boardsies. I'd upload the warnings, fines etc. Don't worry about the incriminating stuff though, all he got right was the town (which is 10km from where I live) and the county.

Well it's definitely wrong, because as of last year the fine for not having a licence is €100, not €500 - so I wouldn't be too concerned. If they can't get your name, address or the amount of the fine right, then they have bigger problems!

mikom

LiverpoolLad95 wrote: »

But here's the thing, I think I know of the place the put down, and the only person (literally) that lives at that address is an old woman, couldn't do that to her.

She probably got the fine and refused to give her name, so the warden just put "The keeper" on it.
Then the old lady toddled over to yours and placed it under a rock, hoping you'd pay it.
Then she toddled off cackling to herself. :pac:

TimeToShine

Wrong name, address, and fine. Sounds like a scam to me, and even if it isn't don't wipe your arse too hard with it or you'll cut yourself.

LiverpoolLad95

Raminahobbin wrote: »

That doesn't sound right- on the few occasions I've dealt with a dog warden, they've approached me out walking the dog and issued me with a demand to send the licence to a particular address within 10 days (since obviously I don't carry it with me), or there would be a fine. Once, my licence had even expired and the date for the new one was a couple of days after he stopped me as I had to go out and renew it then.

It doesn't seem right that they would just hit you with a fine straight away- what are you supposed to do, sellotape it to your front window??

I think this is a scam. I'd be very suspicious of it, tbh.

Exactly, I'm nearly crying that they fined me. The last time the dog warden came out he sent a warning to present a dog licence at my nearest council office. Personally, its a bit discriminative that he gives only me fines, and that he did it while I wasn't there, and to presume I didn't have any dog licences is idiotic. If they do know who and who doesn't have licences, surely why even come to my house. I'm wandering if its because I didn't have any licences for nearly a month. I read that they every right to issue on the spot fines, but this is just ridiculous. I'm wandering if the dog wardens get a commission. I have 5 dogs, my neighbours only have 2 each. It just seems so unbelievable.

mikom

ShaShaBear wrote: »

Well it's definitely wrong, because as of last year the fine for not having a licence is €100, not €500

5 dogs?

LiverpoolLad95

ShaShaBear wrote: »

Well it's definitely wrong, because as of last year the fine for not having a licence is €100, not €500 - so I wouldn't be too concerned. If they can't get your name, address or the amount of the fine right, then they have bigger problems!

5 dogs, five fines. In the my neighbours warning the warden crossed out the original fine (€30 i think) and put in €100, saying the y would be fined this if they didn't present a copy of their dog licence.

OldNotWIse

So anyone who leaves their dog within sight of a warden and who is not at home, will get a fine? That doesn't make any sense

LiverpoolLad95

OldNotWIse wrote: »

So anyone who leaves their dog within sight of a warden and who is not at home, will get a fine? That doesn't make any sense

My neighbour wasn't at home, he has two dogs. One was in the pen and one was in the house. He only got warned to present one dog licence.

ShaShaBear

mikom wrote: »

5 dogs?

Isn't there a special licence and other such things you have to do if you have 5 dogs or more on the premises?

OldNotWIse

LiverpoolLad95 wrote: »

My neighbour wasn't at home, he has two dogs. One was in the pen and one was in the house. He only got warned to present one dog licence.

I'm talking about what happened to you though.

LiverpoolLad95

On the fines there are numerous options that the warden can tick. He ticked the ''not having a dog licence contrary to section 2'', there was another option for not having an identification tag (which admittedly only 2 dogs have), he left that off, so instead of fining me for something I'm actually guilty of, I get fined for not having dog licences. There was another option for getting fined for housing a stray dog, two weeks ago I found a stray, kept him for two days, luckily he wasn't there otherwise I would of got fined for that too.

LiverpoolLad95

F1ngers wrote: »

That answers that question anyway.

OP, don't worry about it.
You have licenses dated before the fines - all is good.

Cheers, but as I said, I phoned up, surely it should of been a yes/no answer, but instead they tell me they will get into contact with me soon

Just making sure I will get off these fines, surely the wrong address is a technicality?

I'm thinking of taking this further as well, doubt it will get anywhere but it just seems so wrong that they did this. Surely they couldn't? In my opinion he trespassed, he was in the wrong for issuing the fines and he was in the wrong for issuing me fines when I wasn't there.

mikom

ShaShaBear wrote: »

Isn't there a special licence and other such things you have to do if you have 5 dogs or more on the premises?

There is a group licence.
A fella has to be at home to present it to the warden though.

h2005

LiverpoolLad95 wrote: »

I can take a photo of everything if you want, to PROVE everything is in order (it would have to be Friday though, limited access to internet). Don't have the internet at home so I have had to come into town.

Anyway, in response to your post yes it seems the most idiotic thing. But if I don't deal with this they WILL fine €1,200 and prison is an option. I have my neighbours warnings as well, which in my view is a bit discriminative that they get warnings, surely this man can't act upon his own discretion?

I will be going to my solicitors tonight to see my options anyway.

Who are they going to fine when the no name and the incorrect address?

LiverpoolLad95

mikom wrote: »

There is a group licence.
A fella has to be at home to present it to the warden though.

I paid €20 a dog licence, a group licence is like €200 (I think)

LiverpoolLad95

h2005 wrote: »

Who are they going to fine when the no name and the incorrect address?

Say I didn't have these dog licences, if I was there I could of told him my name, my address etc, shown him my licences but I'd say he would of fined me for not having identification tags.

ShaShaBear

LiverpoolLad95 wrote: »

Cheers, but as I said, I phoned up, surely it should of been a yes/no answer, but instead they tell me they will get into contact with me soon

Just making sure I will get off these fines, surely the wrong address is a technicality?

I'm thinking of taking this further as well, doubt it will get anywhere but it just seems so wrong that they did this. Surely they couldn't? In my opinion he trespassed, he was in the wrong for issuing the fines and he was in the wrong for issuing me fines when I wasn't there.

But seriously, how many times do we have to tell you that you are not liable for a fine that is not in your name, not sent to your address and which has no legal standing as you already had the licenses for your dogs? You don't need to get off on a technicality if you have the licences, because there is nothing they can lawfully or physically do.

On a side note, the warden didn't break the law by trespassing.

Losty Dublin

LiverpoolLad95 wrote: »

Just making sure I will get off these fines, surely the wrong address is a technicality?
.

How wrong is this wrong address?

Are you talking about 22 instead of 20 Main Street wrong, is Main Street spelt incorrectly ie Mayne Street, has the warden used a townland or estate name or area name which isn't as commonly used or known to you; eg calling Muine Bheag Bagnalstown, have they used an incorrect form of your address such as 20 Bagnalstown, Green Acres or is it totally wrong; ie 28 Dublin Road, Gorey when you live at 20 Main Street, Naas.

By the sounds of it, this case is by no means as simple as a mere address misspelling.

LiverpoolLad95

ShaShaBear wrote: »

But seriously, how many times do we have to tell you that you are not liable for a fine that is not in your name, not sent to your address and which has no legal standing as you already had the licenses for your dogs? You don't need to get off on a technicality if you have the licences, because there is nothing they can lawfully or physically do.

On a side note, the warden didn't break the law by trespassing.

Cheers, I know I'm acting stupid, but how would you feel having to look at €500 fines, a threat of another €1200 and possible prison.

He probably 'had right of way', but did he have the right to fine me in the first place? I'm thinking of the possibility of court, if i don't clear all this up within 2 weeks, it will go to court, surely its best to be fully prepared?

BUBBLES1978

photocopy the fine and the dog licence and the letter and post back to the council (register the letter)

keep all originals but put a cover note stating you will not be paying the fine as you are currently in receipt of a up to date licence

that will be the end of it