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Bord Bia BQAS

  • 15-07-2014 5:11pm
    #1
    Farmer Pudsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,326 ✭✭✭


    I see that ICSA and the ICMSA are pushing for a reform of the BQAS. I consider this a good thing. What should they look for in the reform of the scheme and are we willing to pull the plug in November if there is not real reform.

    As part of the reform should we look for a realistic standardisation across all beef. This should include Bulls and cows and insist on it being paid on all cattle. Or as farmers should we totally abandon the scheme as it entails extra paperwork with little reward to the producer. It seems to be taken for granted by processors and supermarkets


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  • #2
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    Farmer Pudsey wrote: »
    I see that ICSA and the ICMSA are pushing for a reform of the BQAS. I consider this a good thing. What should they look for in the reform of the scheme and are we willing to pull the plug in November if there is not real reform.

    As part of the reform should we look for a realistic standardisation across all beef. This should include Bulls and cows and insist on it being paid on all cattle. Or as farmers should we totally abandon the scheme as it entails extra paperwork with little reward to the producer. It seems to be taken for granted by processors and supermarkets
    I see it as a pain. I don't usually grade I in the factory with culls so don't get the bonus


  • #3
    Mad4simmental
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭Mad4simmental


    Farmer Pudsey wrote: »
    I see that ICSA and the ICMSA are pushing for a reform of the BQAS. I consider this a good thing. What should they look for in the reform of the scheme and are we willing to pull the plug in November if there is not real reform.

    As part of the reform should we look for a realistic standardisation across all beef. This should include Bulls and cows and insist on it being paid on all cattle. Or as farmers should we totally abandon the scheme as it entails extra paperwork with little reward to the producer. It seems to be taken for granted by processors and supermarkets


    Hard to call. I don't mind the bird bia idea of trying to give beef the green look so to say for the consumer.

    But as you said it will probably allways be more the factory and supermarkets money. IMO I would like to see the grading system pay better for good grades and fat scores instead. But you can't please everyone.


  • #4
    blue5000
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,756 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    From d paper
    http://www.irishexaminer.com/farming/farmers-threaten-to-withdraw-from-quality-assurance-scheme-275414.html

    I reckon it's the supermarkets who pushed this through. Lot of paperwork duplication involved especially for dairy farmers with beef. Guess who really pays the wages of the lads driving around with the iphone and the 141 car?

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • #5
    Mad4simmental
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭Mad4simmental


    blue5000 wrote: »
    From d paper
    http://www.irishexaminer.com/farming/farmers-threaten-to-withdraw-from-quality-assurance-scheme-275414.html

    I reckon it's the supermarkets who pushed this through. Lot of paperwork duplication involved especially for dairy farmers with beef. Guess who really pays the wages of the lads driving around with the iphone and the 141 car?



    Probably would be better off without it. As sumone said it's only another stick to beat us with!


  • #6
    Muckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Muckit


    This whole thing is getting serious now.

    I sent a fine heifer to the factory a few weeks back to test the water. It was an insult the price l got lMO. Unless they are wicked and dangerous, I will not be selling direct to factory ever again.

    Everything through the ring. I always seem to get substantially more money that way and the 70 days or 30mth cut off seems to not go against them once the quality is there.

    I'll never look at blooding heifers as a nuisance again.


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  • #7
    rangler1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,497 ✭✭✭rangler1


    Farmer Pudsey wrote: »
    I see that ICSA and the ICMSA are pushing for a reform of the BQAS. I consider this a good thing. What should they look for in the reform of the scheme and are we willing to pull the plug in November if there is not real reform.

    As part of the reform should we look for a realistic standardisation across all beef. This should include Bulls and cows and insist on it being paid on all cattle. Or as farmers should we totally abandon the scheme as it entails extra paperwork with little reward to the producer. It seems to be taken for granted by processors and supermarkets

    Farmers on the ground won't support this, it would be unwise for a farmer to pull the plug in the hope of other farmers supporting him.....if we had that much unity, we'd be able to set the price


  • #8
    PatrickJoseph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 ✭PatrickJoseph


    Fair play to ICSA for taking some action here - QAS is a joke.
    How many animals actually getting the bonus, despite all the hoops we have to jump through to get it


  • #9
    PatrickJoseph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 ✭PatrickJoseph


    rangler1 wrote: »
    Farmers on the ground won't support this, it would be unwise for a farmer to pull the plug in the hope of other farmers supporting him.....if we had that much unity, we'd be able to set the price

    But why wouldn't other farm orgs follow ICSA's lead on this?


  • #10
    rangler1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,497 ✭✭✭rangler1


    PatrickJoseph wrote: »
    But why wouldn't other farm orgs follow ICSA's lead on this?

    We left a few supermarkets in Navan today in no doubt as to what we thought of the QA scheme.....was anyone at any of the raids around the country


  • #11
    Mad4simmental
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭Mad4simmental


    rangler1 wrote: »
    We left a few supermarkets in Navan today in no doubt as to what we thought of the QA scheme.....was anyone at any of the raids around the country

    Yes in north tipp, a bit late but I got there!


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  • #12
    blue5000
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,756 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    Please tell us more, heard nothing about it till now?

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • #13
    rangler1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,497 ✭✭✭rangler1


    blue5000 wrote: »
    Please tell us more, heard nothing about it till now?

    Purposely tried to keep the protests small, no texts etc, still good crowds have turned out, cheapest lamb chops there today was €16/kg/ yet they reckon €5/kg is too much to give the farmer.
    The difference is divided between the processors and supermarkets, there's no transparency on who's getting what, but I'd guess its the supermarket that's getting the main part of it.
    So we've left a strong message with their managers to pass up the line.

    On saying all that they'll probably ignore us any way ( save some other smartass saying it)


  • #14
    Kevin the sheep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 201 ✭✭Kevin the sheep


    Think it was around €26/kg for choice Angus fillet stake in a well known supermarket last night nearly fell down when I saw it
    Sorry looked it up online there now
    rib eye stake €26.65
    AND FILLIT STAKE €35.99 sickening to see


  • #15
    blue5000
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,756 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    On rte radio 1 in a few minutes.

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • #16
    PatrickJoseph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 ✭PatrickJoseph


    blue5000 wrote: »
    On rte radio 1 in a few minutes.

    Heard this on Sean O'Rourke. Thought this was an ICSA campaign but obviously ICMSA backing it now too - any hope IFA will jump on the bandwagon?


  • #17
    nashmach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,183 ✭✭✭nashmach


    Simple question, how do these organisations propose that the approx €40 for these measures which many finishers do at present be forwarded to farmers.

    12c is a lot to some of us!


  • #18
    rangler1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,497 ✭✭✭rangler1


    nashmach wrote: »
    Simple question, how do these organisations propose that the approx €40 for these measures which many finishers do at present be forwarded to farmers.

    12c is a lot to some of us!

    As I say, it won't happen


  • #19
    tanko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,316 ✭✭✭tanko


    Have any of the farm organisations investigated the legality of conditions imposed by processors/supermarkets on farmers? Surely conditions imposed which limit the numbers of owners an animal can have and the number of movements an animal can make before slaughter go against the free movement of goods and services which is what we are always being told the EU is all about.


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