divorce. help

spudnick

Sorry if this is the wrong place but. My father and mother were divorced 10 years ago my father is deceased now. I need to get a copy of divorce papers for college grant application . any idea where I can get this?.I have no contact with my mother?
Thanks

No Pants

Why divorce papers? Is the fact that he's dead not more relevant?

spudnick

No Pants wrote: »

Why divorce papers? Is the fact that he's dead not more relevant?

I need to prove to them that my parents are separated as it's based on both incomes . unless there separated.

Beano

but if you can show he is dead then surely he cannot have an income?

spudnick

Beano wrote: »

but if you can show he is dead then surely he cannot have an income?

Yes clearly he doesn't have an income. However
It is based on both parents incomes in order not to be assed on my mother's income and prove I am independent I need to prove that they are separated .
Any one know where I can get a copy of these papers?

Beano

this makes absolutely no sense at all.

spudnick

Beano wrote: »

this makes absolutely no sense at all.

It's quite simple. When applying for a grant you are assessed on both your parents incomes.

If your parents are separated you are assed on 1 parents income . (The parent you live with)provided you can show proof of separation.(other wise every one could say their parents are separated)

What I need to get is proof of their divorce . is there an office or somewhere that can supply this?

Grolschevik

If the grant issuing authority is insisting on the divorce papers as proof of separation -- rather than a death certificate -- then that really is some ridiculous class of jobsworthing bureaucratic box-ticking!

I presume your mother has mislaid her copies of the papers.

You might try the office of the court where the divorce was granted, or maybe the solicitor who acted for your mother, if she used one.

DublinCJM

I think the OP wants to prove that her parents were separated, and he/she lived with the father, who is now deceased.

Therefore the OP has no income as they are not in touch with their mother?

Sorry, but don't know where you'd get the papers?

There's a registrars office on Lombard street which you could try, or google should tell you.

spudnick

DublinCJM wrote: »

I think the OP wants to prove that her parents were separated, and he/she lived with the father, who is now deceased.

Therefore the OP has no income as they are not in touch with their mother?

Sorry, but don't know where you'd get the papers?

There's a registrars office on Lombard street which you could try, or google should tell you.

That's exactly it.
But I want to be assed on my own income.
Haven't seen or heard from my mother since she was 5.

Tried google not much there relevant to this country..
Will call the office in lombard street.

Thanks

spudnick

Grolschevik wrote: »

If the grant issuing authority is insisting on the divorce papers as proof of separation -- rather than a death certificate -- then that really is some ridiculous class of jobsworthing bureaucratic box-ticking!

I presume your mother has mislaid her copies of the papers.

You might try the office of the court where the divorce was granted, or maybe the solicitor who acted for your mother, if she used one.

The amount of stuff you need to get a grant is insane . However I won't be able to go unless I do all they say . and then expected to live off 3k a year

DublinCJM

Best of luck anyway

renofan

I'm not up on divorces but I'm sure they are heard in the Circuit Court. Would you know which one? I'm sure they would have the details you need.

spudnick

renofan wrote: »

I'm not up on divorces but I'm sure they are heard in the Circuit Court. Would you know which one? I'm sure they would have the details you need.

Yep office in lombard st put me trough to
Family circuit court. They told me im not entitled
To access that information . as I am not the involved persons

renofan

That must be frustrating to say the least! All I can suggest is ringing the grant crowd and explain the situation and see what they suggest.

spudnick

renofan wrote: »

That must be frustrating to say the least! All I can suggest is ringing the grant crowd and explain the situation and see what they suggest.

Yes it is very frustrating.
I will give them a call and explain things to them
And hope for the best

Thanks

Pat Mustard

Death ends marriage. Death certificate is evidence of death.

Q.E.D.

conorh91

OP will SUSI entertain any other means of demonstrating independence?

Presumably you are a mature student, and therefore a specific means of proving independence arises, doesn't it?

If you are not a mature student, surely you can demonstrate that you were living with some adult since your father's death, and that person is a relevant person for the purpose of assessing means?

spudnick

conorh91 wrote: »

OP will SUSI entertain any other means of demonstrating independence?

Presumably you are a mature student, and therefore a specific means of proving independence arises, doesn't it?

If you are not a mature student, surely you can demonstrate that you were living with some adult since your father's death, and that person is a relevant person for the purpose of assessing means?

Yes I am a mature independent student.
They look for utility bills a copy of tenancy
Agreement or proof of rent allowance as proof of independent living.

I have none of these things.. I've worked with race horses since my father died and all employers give you a house or caravan on the yard to live in free with free bills as you need to be on the yard incase of emergency so I've never rented a house or had a bill.

I have emailed susi again to see what they will accept in my current circumstances only thing that might be of use is I received sw supplement
For a few months when working hours was cut

endacl

Haven't seen or heard from my mother since she was 5.
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!!!

:eek:

spudnick

endacl wrote: »

Haven't seen or heard from my mother since she was 5.

!!!

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Sorry since I was 5

endacl

spudnick wrote: »

Sorry since I was 5

It sounds like a ridiculous situation you've found yourself in. I'd suggest firing of a very polite letter, simply stating the facts, that would make the reader feel vaguely embarrassed to be involved with an office that enforced that level of jobsworthiness.

Best of luck with it all.

conorh91

spudnick wrote: »

I have emailed susi again to see what they will accept in my current circumstances only thing that might be of use is I received sw supplement
For a few months when working hours was cut

Yes, if you have anything from Revenue this will work too, according to SUSI

www. susi.ie/What-you-have-to-do-to-finalise-your-application/Section-A.aspx

Correspondence from a Government department or agency- for example Revenue, Road Safety Authority, Department of the Environment, Heritage and Local Government, Department of Education and Skills etc

It continues...

If you are unable to provide this documentation, SUSI at their discretion may accept other forms of proof of independent residency

Potential alternative documents to be accepted

Bill may be accepted from before October prior to entering further or higher education. This is as long as independent residency is demonstrated until the end period in question, that is if you have independent proof from before October and after October we may be able to accept this at SUSI's discretion
Mortgage statements from bank (not bank statements)
TV License/ Invoicing from private bin companies (as long as accompanied with other documents)
Copy of lease agreement
Council Lease agreement (from start date to include demonstration of payments)

The bit in italics is meaningless to me. I don't understand what that means in the English language.

What puzzles me most, though, is how does any of the foregoing prove that your mother was not also resident at your address?

How does your getting a letter from Revenue or the Department of Social Protection, in itself, assure SUSI that your mother lived elsewhere?