Waterford vs Wexford

blue note

I thought this should have a thread of it's own.

What do people think will be the outcome here? I think it's hard to call - a case can be made for both sides.

Wexford will be on a roll / tired. They had a great win against the AI holders / they struggled to see out a win two weeks in a row. They're creating a lot of chances / they're missing a lot of chances.

In relation to Waterford we actually share some of the same concerns - too many wides, unable to see out a match where we had a 9 point lead.

All things considered, including my natural bias, I'll go with Waterford for a narrow win. There won't be much talk of us going into the weekend and if we play well we should have enough to get over the line.

sjb25

blue note wrote: »

I thought this should have a thread of it's own.

What do people think will be the outcome here? I think it's hard to call - a case can be made for both sides.

Wexford will be on a roll / tired. They had a great win against the AI holders / they struggled to see out a win two weeks in a row. They're creating a lot of chances / they're missing a lot of chances.

In relation to Waterford we actually share some of the same concerns - too many wides, unable to see out a match where we had a 9 point lead.

All things considered, including my natural bias, I'll go with Waterford for a narrow win. There won't be much talk of us going into the weekend and if we play well we should have enough to get over the line.

If wexford are not to tierd and get the shooting sorted they could beat Waterford but itl be close wexford are going to bring a massive crowd the excitement last night and today is huge bit 50/50 but I'm going to go for wexford

savannahkat

Wexford and tiredness should have nothing to do with it. Wexford were both impressive and poor against Clare When impressive they were very impressive and when poor not so bad as to be dreadful. They have a lot of work to do and appear to have the squad to improve. Division IB might yet come back to haunt them, however the two games against Clare will bring them on and there first half display against Kilkenny in the league gave hints of what they are capable off. One way or the other it is great to have them back competing at this level.

PTH2009

Wexford win for me, Waterford have a bad record against Wexford league and championship and Wexford will be on a high after beating Clare.

Wexford to win it handy I think

randd1

Think myself that Wexford have too much pace around the field for Waterford. If Dunne can get them to recover physically during the week, I think the Clare games will stand to them.

A lot though will depend on which side takes the chances they've been missing this year. I think Wexford have far more of a goal threat, and if they take those they should win.

In saying that, Waterford have the experience, which could count either.

All in all, Wexford look to be in better shape in the run up to the match. Waterford so to win.

blue note

PTH2009 wrote: »

Wexford win for me, Waterford have a bad record against Wexford league and Championship.

Do we? I thought we've played twice and each won one.

RoscommonTom

I think wexford are a better team but will be a bit too tired after all the recent games so think the desssies will win it

deadybai

Waterford to win comfortably for me. I was critical of Clare even last year after they won and I was proven right at the weekend. I don't think Clare are the team that most people make them out to be. That being said, Wexford are taking huge strides. Waterford will be fierce hungry for this one. If they fail to beat Wexford it would be a disastrous season for the desie . I hope wexford prove me wrong but Waterford should win by 4+points.

Grats

deadybai wrote: »

Waterford to win comfortably for me. I was critical of Clare even last year after they won and I was proven right at the weekend. I don't think Clare are the team that most people make them out to be. That being said, Wexford are taking huge strides. Waterford will be fierce hungry for this one. If they fail to beat Wexford it would be a disastrous season for the desie . I hope wexford prove me wrong but Waterford should win by 4+points.

I agree to some extent with your post. In assessing Wexford's chances against Waterford you must consider who they beat to date. And I have to agree that Clare aren't the team they were made out to be. In the excitement to see a new team coming through last many people got carried away but particularly the media. Clare are a young skilful team still developing and will win more titles providing they are managed as well as they had been at under 21.

Clare were not good and it still took Wexford a long time to beat them. I would love to see Wexford beat Waterford but I think Waterford will prove a bigger challenge that Clare did. Wexford might just feel the effects of the last two weekends and Waterford will be fresh but might struggle to get up to the pace having been idle for so long. If Waterford stay with Wexford in the first half I a expect them to pull away to win by 4/6 points.

Should be a great contest. Best wishes to both.

menace404

This will be a cracking game. Do Sky have this game???

STB

menace404 wrote: »

This will be a cracking game. Do Sky have this game???

Yes. 7pm.

Hidalgo

Waterford have 21s on Thursday also to try and balance.
How many senior starters will be playing twice in 3 days?

STB

Wexford's Under 21's have had the same problem and some players could be facing a 5 games in 4 weeks on the trot scenario.

The seniors played on the 5/7 and the 12/7 against Clare with extra time in the second game.

The U21's played on the 9/7 and beat Dublin in the Leinster U21 Final.

They now have Waterford on the 19/7 and Limerick on the 27/7 if they beat Waterford.

Hows the fitness levels...........

GrandSoftDay

STB wrote: »

Wexford's Under 21's have had the same problem and some players could be facing a 5 games in 4 weeks on the trot scenario.

The seniors played on the 5/7 and the 12/7 against Clare with extra time in the second game.

The U21's played on the 9/7 and beat Dublin in the Leinster U21 Final.

They now have Waterford on the 19/7 and Limerick on the 27/7 if they beat Waterford.

Hows the fitness levels...........

All I will say is the Clare lads had a similar situation last year and it stood to them in the long run. Players don't mind playing games generally speaking but if they are getting flogged in training in between it will drain them I would imagine.

dzilla

Hidalgo wrote: »

Waterford have 21s on Thursday also to try and balance.
How many senior starters will be playing twice in 3 days?

Wednesday i believe d fixture was changed

Oasis_Dublin

If Wexford can bring the same intensity as they did against Clare, you'd imagine that they can do it.

I've seen them a few times over the last couple of years though, and they almost strike me as a team that make it so difficult for themselves. Should have beaten Dublin in Wexford Park last year, and should have beaten Clare the first day. Even against 13 men, they just didn't strike me as a team who believed they had the right to beat Clare. I know they eventually did, but boy did they make it difficult for themselves

Some of this team would also have been involved in the All-Ireland u-21 semi-final defeat to Antrim last year, when they lost to a team who didn't even have fifteen players at their final training session before the match.

Wexford are good enough. It's a question of getting the head correct.

qwert55

Pros for wexford
Wexford like playing in Nolan park strange as it seems and I'm not sure if waterford feel the same way.
Wexford are on a role and have excellent preparation after the 2 games in a row, waterford we're not really tested against Laois so they may not know their best team
Wexford confidence has to be at a high level.

Pros for waterford
Played in 1a as opposed to wex in 1b
Waterford More experienced team
Wex may find it difficult to focus after the heights of last weekend
Wex may be tired but this is unlikely


Difficult to say who will win but I have a sneaky feeling wex by 3 or 4 pts

marco_polo

I have a suspicion that the momentum of the past few weeks will see Wexford through a tight game, but I don't see Waterford playing anywhere near as badly as we did in both game, so if it is to happen Wexford will need to improve greatly in front of goal. Apart from that I thought they were pretty impressive in every other facet of play.

savannahkat

qwert55 wrote: »

Pros for wexford
Wexford like playing in Nolan park strange as it seems and I'm not sure if waterford feel the same way.
Wexford are on a role and have excellent preparation after the 2 games in a row, waterford we're not really tested against Laois so they may not know their best team
Wexford confidence has to be at a high level.

Pros for waterford
Played in 1a as opposed to wex in 1b
Waterford will be there next year

Waterford More experienced team
So were Clare and even more so

Wex may find it difficult to focus after the heights of last weekend
Not very likely under Dunne. Good manager who has been working hard over a number of years developing what ever talent is in Wexford.

Wex may be tired but this is unlikely.
Cant see this being a factor with the adrenalin boost from winning last Sunday. Losing can be a far more demoralizing factor i.e Galway after Kilkenny.


Difficult to say who will win but I have a sneaky feeling wex by 3 or 4 pts

Agreed

Deskjockey

Hidalgo wrote: »

Waterford have 21s on Thursday also to try and balance.
How many senior starters will be playing twice in 3 days?

It got changed to Weds as far as I know. Should help a bit.

Busted Flat.

I like the poll results.

menace404

Im telling ya, sky have got a cracker here. These are two young buzzing teams and will try and put down a serious marker to their quarter final opponents on the horizon.

This will top the Clare Wexford battles of the last couple of weeks me thinks. No doubt.

purplepanda

menace404 wrote: »

This will top the Clare Wexford battles of the last couple of weeks me thinks. No doubt.

Any more crazy games like the last two saturdays & I'm going to go into total meltdown :rolleyes:

Fireball07

I find this very difficult to call and without having inside knowledge of each team's preparation, I'm not sure how you can judge it tbh.

Neither side are clearly ahead of the other, obviously Waterford played Division 1A hurling this year and competed well in some games, but got relegated and were torn apart by Clare. They put up a very good fight against Cork, and were unlucky not to win... and then didn't turn up in the replay.

Wexford did okay in Division 1B, they put it up to Limerick anyway, but just didn't have the scoring power to close it out. They beat Antrim, then lost to a Dublin side who didn't seem all that great against KK. Obviously beating Clare, particularly after a replay is absolutely huge and will give them confidence. Their Achilles' heel all year has been hitting wides, they have some good forwards, but all of them can take the wrong option or just be guilty of poor accuracy. There's only so long that you'll get away with that. But everybody wrote them off the minute the first game went to extra-time, but they stayed strong and got the draw.... same happened the 2nd day, but they pushed on for victory. Clare were poor, but they fought like dogs.


Both have good young sides, Wexford have won 2 Leinster U-21s on the trot and have some very good young hurlers... while Waterford have just won a minor All-Ireland and have a nice group of young hurlers coming through and in the squad. Now they haven't all stepped up yet but they are promising and they are there: Gavin O'Brien, Jamie Barron, Ray Barry, Colin Dunford, there's loads others... very promising.


Then there's the whole tiredness vs match practice thing... I think it completely depends on the team and how they are prepared. The run of games didn't hurt Clare last year, but the long break never hurt KK when they were at their peak... in the end, I think it may just be excuses.



If Wexford hit as many wides as they did against Clare, it's hard to see them going very far. Waterford have often struggled in the air in their forward line, and Wexford have a very powerful backline. That could be a big factor, you have to be very clever with your use of the ball in those situations. But they'll also be looking at the performance of Conor McGrath, Wexford found it almost impossible to live with his movement and Waterford have some very lively forwards- none many be on McGrath's level yet, but if they are on form, they may cause problems.... goals can be got too, by both sides.



Very tough to call, wouldn't be betting on the outcome, that's for certain.

Mountainlad

Hidalgo wrote: »

Waterford have 21s on Thursday also to try and balance.
How many senior starters will be playing twice in 3 days?

It's tomorrow, but involved will be Tadhg Bourke, Dillon, Dunford, and Gleeson who will all start Saturday if fit. Don't think Donnelly will start this time, and while Jamie Barron would be a cert at 100%, given he hasn't played a competitive game since March I doubt they'll start him in two games in 4 days.

Tiredness could be a factor for both, though I would think overall Wexford would have a fair bit more cause for fatigue. What has impressed me most about Wexford this year is their physicality. I noticed they more than matched Dublin in the physical exchanges in their backline and it was no different in the two games against Clare. They've always had hurlers but have been blown away by big teams time and time again in recent years. No surprise this as they have Gerry Fitzpatrick training them who trained Waterford between 2004-2008.

On the other side, I would have question marks over our own physical shape at the minute. Pace is one thing that has been missing at times. I don't buy into 'All the Waterford players were cramping up in the last 15 minutes v Cork the 1st day', as in reality it was mainly just Austin Gleeson who as pointed out is not used to 70 minute matches. A few others were only back from injury. But I would be concerned about the 2nd day where we just couldn't cope with Cork's pace.

That said, we seemed to surrender the middle of the park that day which decided the game. At the same time, we had some awful misses, worse even than some of Wexford's shooting the last two days. I reckon Waterford left about 5 scores on the field that with the players they had out there should not have been a problem, and a 4 point gap at half time and we'd still have been in the game.

Laois were disappointing, and again we were wasteful. To come out 10 point winners despite a freak early goal though is impressive enough and a sign of what the team is capable of. Darragh Fives is back and hopefully Molumphy can play some part. Losing him was the biggest reason Waterford lost to Dublin in the relegation final and coupled with the sending off took the heart out of a demoralized team.

Confidence will be back up and I don't think they will fear Wexford, while I also don't think there is any weight of expectation on their shoulders either playing the team. A lot of people making out that clear struggled over Clare, and while given the way they played it was strange that they couldn't finish the job v 14 or v 13 they still played some great hurling and produced two results I wasn't expecting for different reasons, while being aware that Wexford are a good side.


I think it could really go either way and will most likely be a case of who takes there chances better. I think we should win, but wouldn't be a shock if Wexford came through. Either way, have always had great time for Wexford and if they do prevail will be supporting them for the remainder of the championship (providing there is no foul play on Saturday, which I doubt there will be.)

citykat

Wexford for me. Their matches against Clare will have them battle hardened - beats training any day. There'll be no issue with fatigue - 7 days is more than enough for a modern IC hurler to recover. Should be a great atmosphere in NP. Last year Tipp Vs KK sold it out - people were queuing up two hours before the game as seating was unreserved. Place was buzzing as a result.

TheMilkyPirate

Stands sold out?? Only city end terrace showing up on tickets.ie

citykat

TheMilkyPirate wrote: »

Stands sold out?? Only city end terrace showing up on tickets.ie

The old stand is out of bounds as the roof is being replaced. I don't know how much of this side of the ground will be available. Capacity will be reduced as a result.

bruschi

citykat wrote: »

The old stand is out of bounds as the roof is being replaced. I don't know how much of this side of the ground will be available. Capacity will be reduced as a result.

is it? I thought they just removed the roof so that all seating would remain open

citykat

bruschi wrote: »

is it? I thought they just removed the roof so that all seating would remain open

According to the local rag, the replacement of the roof is in full swing. They have removed all the press boxes. The cameras, commentary box and sky 'studio' will be temporarily located in the old stand for the match. I don't know how much (if any) of the uncovered seating either side of the stand is out of action.

bruschi

citykat wrote: »

According to the local rag, the replacement of the roof is in full swing. They have removed all the press boxes. The cameras, commentary box and sky 'studio' will be temporarily located in the old stand for the match. I don't know how much (if any) of the uncovered seating either side of the stand is out of action.

a bit short sighted no? I thought they were waiting until October or so and after championships to get going therefore not affecting attendances. You'd have to imagine though that the seating either side would be free.

citykat

bruschi wrote: »

a bit short sighted no? I thought they were waiting until October or so and after championships to get going therefore not affecting attendances. You'd have to imagine though that the seating either side would be free.

I wouldn't say anybody in the CB anticipated a full house before the stand was to be completed. Even the county final only requires capacity for approx. 10K.

Oasis_Dublin

I have vague recollections of a stand at Nowlan Park being ruined by a storm at the start of the year. Is this the same stand, or why have they decided to work on it during mid-summer?

citykat

Oasis_Dublin wrote: »

I have vague recollections of a stand at Nowlan Park being ruined by a storm at the start of the year. Is this the same stand, or why have they decided to work on it during mid-summer?

Same stand. Took their time deciding what to do. Old roof contained asbestos so it wasn't going to be a like-for-like. Also, they hope to reduce the number of pillars to increase visibility.

bruschi

citykat wrote: »

I wouldn't say anybody in the CB anticipated a full house before the stand was to be completed. Even the county final only requires capacity for approx. 10K.

must have been confident they'd be winning out Leinster back in March so seeing as it was around this time last year that ye played Tipperary in Nowlan Park.

AugustusMinimus

citykat wrote: »

Same stand. Took their time deciding what to do. Old roof contained asbestos so it wasn't going to be a like-for-like. Also, they hope to reduce the number of pillars to increase visibility.

They planning on roofing the entire stand or just the old middle section ?

citykat

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

They planning on roofing the entire stand or just the old middle section ?

Unfortunately just the middle section. I'm not sure whether it's financial or planning related. It'd be some spot with two stands on both sides, stand on the country end and covered city end terrace.

Deise_2012

Anyone selling 3 stand tickets

sjb25

Deise_2012 wrote: »

Anyone selling 3 stand tickets

Realy glad got mine Tuesday was just handy for me didn't think would sell out goin to be a great atmosphere i no sumbody who may be not sure il ask if the are il pm if not sorry

Mountainlad

So what is the capacity? Was Nowlan Park really the only option given there were problems there that they knew about?

KevIRL

Waterford team

1 Stephen O Keeffe Ballygunner
2 Shane Fives Carrigtwohill
3 Liam Lawlor Fourmilewater
4 Noel Connors Passage
5 Darragh Fives Tourin
6 Kevin Moran De La Salle
7 Tadgh de Burca Clashmore / Kinsalebeg
8 Michael Walsh Stradbally
9 Padraig Prendergast Lismore
10 Shane O’Sullivan Ballygunner
11 Pauric Mahony Ballygunner
12 Austin Gleeson Mount Sion
13 Colin Dunford Colligan
14 Shane Walsh Fourmilewater
15 Jake Dillon De La Salle

PTH2009

KevIRL wrote: »

Waterford team

1 Stephen O Keeffe Ballygunner
2 Shane Fives Carrigtwohill
3 Liam Lawlor Fourmilewater
4 Noel Connors Passage
5 Darragh Fives Tourin
6 Kevin Moran De La Salle
7 Tadgh de Burca Clashmore / Kinsalebeg
8 Michael Walsh Stradbally
9 Padraig Prendergast Lismore
10 Shane O’Sullivan Ballygunner
11 Pauric Mahony Ballygunner
12 Austin Gleeson Mount Sion
13 Colin Dunford Colligan
14 Shane Walsh Fourmilewater
15 Jake Dillon De La Salle

Weak enough Waterford team that will employ defensive tactics that will play into Wexfords hands

Liam Griffin was at the Waterford vs Cork u21 match taking notes on some of the waterford players so that is scary from a Waterford point of view

Wexford by 10 points

KevIRL

PTH2009 wrote: »

Weak enough Waterford team that will employ defensive tactics that will play into Wexfords hands

Liam Griffin was at the Waterford vs Cork u21 match taking notes on some of the waterford players so that is scary from a Waterford point of view

Wexford by 10 points

Surprised you are only giving them a 10 point win. 14/1 shot there for ya in the bookies, make yer fortune.

I'm sure of course that absolutely none of the Waterford management team have been to see any of the Wexford games over the past few weeks :rolleyes:

Deise_2012

Lads I'm looking for 3 stand tickets, I know they're sold out but if ye know anyone who's selling or not able to make it, could ye let me know? Thanks very much!

citykat

Mountainlad wrote: »

So what is the capacity? Was Nowlan Park really the only option given there were problems there that they knew about?

Circa 25K. Should be enough to accommodate all those fans that turned up for the Cork match anyway...

Mountainlad

citykat wrote: »

Circa 25K. Should be enough to accommodate all those fans that turned up for the Cork match anyway...

Great one. Stand tickets are sold out, and I would have no doubt if the capacity was 25,000 that it wouldn't. But obviously it's reduced.

I don't understand why the game is being held there if the capacity is reduced, O Moore park could have held the game just as easy. Why should it be a struggle for anyone to get tickets for this game?

citykat

Mountainlad wrote: »

Great one. Stand tickets are sold out,

Must be a big Wexford crowd travelling so...

Mountainlad

citykat wrote: »

Must be a big Wexford crowd travelling so...

I don't doubt there is. Someone in our club looked for an extra stand ticket yesterday night, the day club tickets were distributed and the general sale was on in Walsh Park and Fraher Field. None to be had.

Of course, this is nothing compared to the legions of Kilkenny fans that attend every match.

citykat

Mountainlad wrote: »

legions of Kilkenny fans that attend every match.

Good man. Couldn't have put it better myself.

Grats

I doubt it will be a complete sell out. Wexford always like to play in Nowlan Park and I imagine Waterford do also. Pointless having the match anywhere else therefore. Hope it's a great game, should be a great atmosphere.

Good luck to both our neighbours.

citykat

Mountainlad wrote: »

Great one. Stand tickets are sold out, and I would have no doubt if the capacity was 25,000 that it wouldn't. But obviously it's reduced.

I don't understand why the game is being held there if the capacity is reduced, O Moore park could have held the game just as easy. Why should it be a struggle for anyone to get tickets for this game?

There's only one stand in O'Moore park the last time I checked. I'd say there's more seated capacity in Nowlan Park right now even with the reduced capacity.