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New online store NEED ADVICE

  • 08-07-2014 8:37pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11


    I have recently (today) set up an online store saharastorm(dot)com. I sell affordable tablets, headphones, portable power banks and other various items that are high in quality, but below retail price.
    However I have come here to ask advice on promoting my website. (Live in cork)
    •attracting more traffic to my site ?
    •gaining trust and building a reputation?
    •any other advice ?

    I'd greatly appreciate any other advice :)
    Thank you.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,806 ✭✭✭GerardKeating


    I have recently (today) set up an online store saharastorm(dot)com. I sell affordable tablets, headphones, portable power banks and other various items that are high in quality, but below retail price.
    However I have come here to ask advice on promoting my website. (Live in cork)
    •attracting more traffic to my site ?
    •gaining trust and building a reputation?
    •any other advice ?

    I'd greatly appreciate any other advice :)
    Thank you.

    You site seems to be offline.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11 SaharaStorm


    You site seems to be offline.

    Thank you for pointing that out! I'm having a small issue with that, it seems that when I put in the "www." It is offline, but when I just type "saharastorm(dot)com" (with an actual dot) I get right through! I know this ultimately is the first step I apolagise for this!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78 ✭✭str|ct9


    Maybe update the description on the tablet on the homepage. You seem to think Jellybean is the latest android release...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11 SaharaStorm


    str|ct9 wrote: »
    Maybe update the description on the tablet on the homepage. You seem to think Jellybean is the latest android release...

    Thank you I'll edit the description shortly! I'm currently an iOS user gonna make the big switch soon :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,096 ✭✭✭ImDave


    Thank you for pointing that out! I'm having a small issue with that, it seems that when I put in the "www." It is offline, but when I just type "saharastorm(dot)com" (with an actual dot) I get right through! I know this ultimately is the first step I apolagise for this!

    If you can get edit the DNS zones on your hosting control panel (presume you are using shared hosting space), you just need to create a record for www(dot)saharastorm(dot)com. There would be one already there without the www, pointing to the IP address of your site. Google can provide help if required.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11 SaharaStorm


    ImDave wrote: »
    If you can get edit the DNS zones on your hosting control panel (presume you are using shared hosting space), you just need to create a record for www(dot)saharastorm(dot)com. There would be one already there without the www, pointing to the IP address of your site. Google can provide help if required.
    thanks very much, in the process now sorting it out with the hosting company, greatly appreciated Dave!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11 SaharaStorm


    Everything seems to be sorted now. Thanks to everyone for the tips/advice so far 😎


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    new place to spend moneyz :)

    You might want to fix up the Twitter and FaceBook buttons on the bottoms of the pages :

    t3iQhLZ.png


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11 SaharaStorm


    gctest50 wrote: »
    new place to spend moneyz :)

    You might want to fix up the Twitter and FaceBook buttons on the bottoms of the pages :

    Expect new products almost daily :)
    I have to make a Facebook I have a twitter (@Sahara__Storm) just have to link them to the website! Cheers for the tip!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 997 ✭✭✭pedronomix


    have a mooch though this forum on Boards.ie http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=985 Lots and lots of info/advice and tips on this whole topic.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 539 ✭✭✭Buttercake


    However I have come here to ask advice on promoting my website. (Live in cork) ? where your site is hosted is more important than your location.

    •attracting more traffic to my site ?, its a shopify website so you are stuck with their management system. Consider moving your site to a platform you can control like Wordpress/WooCommerce and then you can optimise your website a lot better. Bear in mind, there is no magic wand to get traffic unless you want to pay google adwords.

    •gaining trust and building a reputation? Build a brand, make your site dynamic, news section/blog, articles. Obviously no spamming, viruses or hosting illicit links.
    There is no refund policy, terms and conditions or privacy policy on your site. How do i know what the returns policy is if i order a tablet and it doesn't work when I get it?
    No product ratings or reviews on products.

    •any other advice ?
    Get someone to spell check your content. Don't copy and paste descriptions from other websites.

    "Our Mission & Vission"

    If a product is cheap or cheaper than other etailers, it doesn't mean people are going to buy it, in fact I would consider that they would be more cautious.

    Take a look at your competitor, big and small - what do they do differently?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11 SaharaStorm


    wrote:
    Great advice, I will be doing some improvements today. Thank you


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 874 ✭✭✭devildriver


    I think your main problem is that you don't have a brand. You have named the site Sahara Storm but have no logo or explanation as to why that name was chosen.

    The alternate route is to go with something very generic like "Discount Electronics" or some such variant. It's not very creative but it explains exactly what you are about.

    As for Buttercake's suggestion about switching to Wordpress I would respectfully disagree. Shopify is fine for what you are doing and I would have more faith in it as a native ecommerce platform than an ecommerce add-on to Wordpress.

    But that's a different discussion and it's not your primary concern right now.

    IMHO you need to get the brand and logo sorted out first and foremost.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,700 ✭✭✭tricky D


    Without proper contact info there's no trust. That's a deal breaker imo and I wouldn't advise anyone to purchase until that info, at a bare minimum, is provided.

    Also Returns, Shipping, CRO, Privacy Policy (required), Terms, testimonials/endorsements info are all missing.

    For the homepage I'd find some middle ground between the current one and the catalog content. A single product on the homepage (and not a lot else) isn't good use of prime real estate.

    Product pages need a lot of work. There a good few tweaks that could be done for conversion and there are no reviews.

    SEO needs work too.

    I'd have more payment methods then just PayPal. Some users just plain don't like PP and a proportion of users without PP accounts will bail at the sight of having to register, damaging your conversion rates.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 636 ✭✭✭JMR


    The following will improve conversion rates as opposed to gaining you more traffic....

    Build trust with the visitor by providing as much info about your company as possible
    You need to add more contact info (telephone / address etc.)

    I had to search to find an email address.
    Online shoppers like to know that they are dealing with a real person that they can talk to if something goes wrong.
    There is no indication on your site that you are based in Ireland, shoppers may be wary that their purchases are coming from some far flung corner of the world.
    There is no indication of delivery times.

    I think your returns policy needs a bit more work, too light at the moment.

    As previously mentioned by someone your branding / logo is currently non-existent and would help to build trust also.

    As for getting more traffic, the quick fix is Google AdWords and then an ongoing campaign of creating quality, unique, worthwhile content that others in your niche will naturally want to link to.

    You can check your current position in the search engines relative to your competitors with tools like this one
    http://www.whatsmyserp.com/

    Best of luck with the new venture!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61 ✭✭cgriffin


    Some interesting points made.

    The hosting problem using a shopify solution and the lack of contact details on the site in particular stand out to me as good advice.

    Would be interested in finding out if anyone knows of someone that is using a shopify e-commerce platform in Ireland and achieving a high level of organic traffic through google.ie???

    It really is a popular option in Ireland at present for its simplicity but I know of nobody that is having any huge success with it. Anything that is promoted as easy when it comes to selling online should be treated with suspicion.

    Anyway back to the OP Question

    If Ireland is your target market you might be better off going down the road of a dot ie site to be honest. It will involve a bit of paperwork if you have not already properly registered the business of course.

    It should be also hosted in Ireland (or Cork even).

    Wordpress site with Woo-Commerce shopping cart plugin is solid advice in my opinion.

    Writing original content about the kind of things that people are searching about on google relevant to what you sell is one of the real keys to success though in my opinion. You will be very lucky to ever rank high on the search engines if you are copy and pasting the product description supplied to you by the manufacturer (wholesaler)

    For instance do a blog post or video tutorial on how to turn off the torch on the Iphone!

    Create Youtube channel and upload video reviews / tutorials to channel then take the embedded code to upload them to your website.

    Add a newsletter subscription option to your website.

    Look into Mailchimp its free for first 2,000 email address you add and you can send a database of 2,000 emails 6 times a month for free.

    Offer incentives to attract subs

    "Fancy a discount on your order, sign up for newsletter and we will send you a discount coupon code you can use at checkout"

    Create a relevant PR contact database and if Cork is the target market get a clever press release written outlining it is a start-up business and point out something unique or newsworthy about you or your business which the local hacks in newspapers and radio stations may wish to chat with you further.

    Make sure your website is looking good though and everything is functioning properly across all browsers and devices before taking this step.

    Whilst it is wise to create social media accounts from the point of view of sharing new content you create on your site if nothing else, it may not be wise to focus too much on social media or have very high expectations from it at this point.

    It is a lot more likely that your customer will run a search on google if in the market for your products.

    Facebook and buying mode don't greatly mix well in my opinion.

    There is of course exceptions to this but selling online is still a relatively new process and it is evolving at the speed of an express train.

    Any advice you will get here or indeed anywhere is unlikely to lead to guaranteed success or failure.

    Long hours and hard work will go a long way towards helping you succeed.

    Wishing you the best in business!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11 SaharaStorm


    cgriffin wrote: »
    Some interesting points made.

    The hosting problem using a shopify solution and the lack of contact details on the site in particular stand out to me as good advice.

    Would be interested in finding out if anyone knows of someone that is using a shopify e-commerce platform in Ireland and achieving a high level of organic traffic through google.ie???

    It really is a popular option in Ireland at present for its simplicity but I know of nobody that is having any huge success with it. Anything that is promoted as easy when it comes to selling online should be treated with suspicion.

    Anyway back to the OP Question

    If Ireland is your target market you might be better off going down the road of a dot ie site to be honest. It will involve a bit of paperwork if you have not already properly registered the business of course.

    It should be also hosted in Ireland (or Cork even).

    Wordpress site with Woo-Commerce shopping cart plugin is solid advice in my opinion.

    Writing original content about the kind of things that people are searching about on google relevant to what you sell is one of the real keys to success though in my opinion. You will be very lucky to ever rank high on the search engines if you are copy and pasting the product description supplied to you by the manufacturer (wholesaler)

    For instance do a blog post or video tutorial on how to turn off the torch on the Iphone!

    Create Youtube channel and upload video reviews / tutorials to channel then take the embedded code to upload them to your website.

    Add a newsletter subscription option to your website.

    Look into Mailchimp its free for first 2,000 email address you add and you can send a database of 2,000 emails 6 times a month for free.

    Offer incentives to attract subs

    "Fancy a discount on your order, sign up for newsletter and we will send you a discount coupon code you can use at checkout"

    Create a relevant PR contact database and if Cork is the target market get a clever press release written outlining it is a start-up business and point out something unique or newsworthy about you or your business which the local hacks in newspapers and radio stations may wish to chat with you further.

    Make sure your website is looking good though and everything is functioning properly across all browsers and devices before taking this step.

    Whilst it is wise to create social media accounts from the point of view of sharing new content you create on your site if nothing else, it may not be wise to focus too much on social media or have very high expectations from it at this point.

    It is a lot more likely that your customer will run a search on google if in the market for your products.

    Facebook and buying mode don't greatly mix well in my opinion.

    There is of course exceptions to this but selling online is still a relatively new process and it is evolving at the speed of an express train.

    Any advice you will get here or indeed anywhere is unlikely to lead to guaranteed success or failure.

    Long hours and hard work will go a long way towards helping you succeed.

    Wishing you the best in business!

    There have been some outstanding pieces of advice and I really appreciate it. I have been doing some improvements to the site, will be adding a logo soon & linking up with social media.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61 ✭✭cgriffin


    There have been some outstanding pieces of advice and I really appreciate it. I have been doing some improvements to the site, will be adding a logo soon & linking up with social media.

    Good to hear the points people are making are useful.
    Just take on board before you do too much more that a few of us have recommended abandoning shopify completely and moving to a wordpress shopping cart.
    It would be less painful to do this now than wait until later.
    You need to contact a reputation Irish online hosting company to enable this (do your research on who to go with)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11 SaharaStorm


    cgriffin wrote: »
    Good to hear the points people are making are useful.
    Just take on board before you do too much more that a few of us have recommended abandoning shopify completely and moving to a wordpress shopping cart.
    It would be less painful to do this now than wait until later.
    You need to contact a reputation Irish online hosting company to enable this (do your research on who to go with)
    Appreciate the tip! If you don't mind me asking, what are the advantages of moving away from shopify? Thanks a million for all the advice!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61 ✭✭cgriffin


    Appreciate the tip! If you don't mind me asking, what are the advantages of moving away from shopify? Thanks a million for all the advice!

    Bear in mind other might disagree with me so I would advise getting plenty of opinions on this but the main two points as far as I am concerned are

    1: If you are after the Irish market a site not hosted here is going to be harder to get ranked on google for search terms relevant to what you sell. Using a dot ie domain could help you further in pursuit of this.

    2: Don't know what shopify package you are on but I would imagine they are taking commission on each transaction on top of a monthly fee? There would be no fees and no commission if you move to a wordpress option. This means can reap the benefits of a higher margin on sales or sell at more competitive prices.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 769 ✭✭✭EIREHotspur


    That is a pretty weak Shopify Template.....very bland and no shape or form to it at all.

    Pictures, Pictures...Pictures....And get a banner for offers that rotates.

    Your About Us is a paragraph with generalistic information

    "We are Ireland`s leading online retailer of affordable electronics."

    Who are you, Where are you???

    Get your website right before you start promoting because first impressions online especially count for a lot.

    Your Catalog is 14 products??
    I would pass you off as a dropseller with your office in your bedroom with a cheap template.

    Sorry to be frank but I have to tell it like it is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11 SaharaStorm


    That is a pretty weak Shopify Template.....very bland and no shape or form to it at all.

    Pictures, Pictures...Pictures....And get a banner for offers that rotates.

    Your About Us is a paragraph with generalistic information

    "We are Ireland`s leading online retailer of affordable electronics."

    Who are you, Where are you???

    Get your website right before you start promoting because first impressions online especially count for a lot.

    Your Catalog is 14 products??
    I would pass you off as a dropseller with your office in your bedroom with a cheap template.

    Sorry to be frank but I have to tell it like it is.
    Again appreciate all feedback, yes I know it's poor but I only started 48hrs ago


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,221 ✭✭✭brimal


    Very quick first impressions is that the search/cart bar, text logo and menu are taking up a huge amount of screen real estate. It takes up half the screen on my browser.

    Your menu items are not consistent and have typo's. You spell 'About Us' with a capitalised U, but 'Contact us' has a lowercase U. 'Tablet pc`s' should have uppercase 'PC', and no need for the apostrophe. These little things can make your website look very amateur.



    Are you a dropseller or do you have the stock in Ireland?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 874 ✭✭✭devildriver


    cgriffin wrote: »
    Bear in mind other might disagree with me so I would advise getting plenty of opinions on this but the main two points as far as I am concerned are

    1: If you are after the Irish market a site not hosted here is going to be harder to get ranked on google for search terms relevant to what you sell. Using a dot ie domain could help you further in pursuit of this.

    2: Don't know what shopify package you are on but I would imagine they are taking commission on each transaction on top of a monthly fee? There would be no fees and no commission if you move to a wordpress option. This means can reap the benefits of a higher margin on sales or sell at more competitive prices.

    A dot ie domain name will certainly help in targeting and gaining trust in the Irish market.

    Hosting the site here does not provide any additional value in terms of SEO. That may have been the case 5 years ago but now with the global nature of the hosting business (even Google is entering the hosting realm) and the prolific use of CDNs search engines no longer correlate server location and business location in any meaningful way.

    The country-specific domain and geographic targeting information in Google Webmaster Tools will override the server location.

    I'm also at a loss to why Wordpress / WooCommerce would be a better option than Shopify.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61 ✭✭cgriffin


    A dot ie domain name will certainly help in targeting and gaining trust in the Irish market.

    Hosting the site here does not provide any additional value in terms of SEO. That may have been the case 5 years ago but now with the global nature of the hosting business (even Google is entering the hosting realm) and the prolific use of CDNs search engines no longer correlate server location and business location in any meaningful way.

    The country-specific domain and geographic targeting information in Google Webmaster Tools will override the server location.

    I'm also at a loss to why Wordpress / WooCommerce would be a better option than Shopify.

    Well to be fair I already offered my opinions on why I feel this is the case in a post above.

    It seems that you believe Shopify is a better option. Why is this?

    Can you give me an example of an Irish e-commerce store on the shopify platform which is achieving a high level of relevant organic traffic?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    cgriffin wrote: »
    Can you give me an example of an Irish e-commerce store on the shopify platform which is achieving a high level of relevant organic traffic?

    That's hardly the most watertight argument. As a hosted platform Shopify is likely to attract a less tech savvy audience who are less likely to understand what SEO entails.

    FWIW, I think each platform has its place and I can't see a huge difference between either from an SEO point of view.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,700 ✭✭✭tricky D


    ImDave wrote: »
    If you can get edit the DNS zones on your hosting control panel (presume you are using shared hosting space), you just need to create a record for www(dot)saharastorm(dot)com. There would be one already there without the www, pointing to the IP address of your site. Google can provide help if required.

    A note on this. For some technical reasons you should get the non-www address (aka naked domain) to point to the www address using a 301 redirect/rewrite rule.
    cgriffin wrote: »
    Well to be fair I already offered my opinions on why I feel this is the case in a post above.

    Setting up your location in GWT has done away with this problem, mostly. Where it might be an issue is if your hosting is slow for your location due to lack of proximity as Google has of late put more stress on site speed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 874 ✭✭✭devildriver


    cgriffin wrote: »
    Well to be fair I already offered my opinions on why I feel this is the case in a post above.

    Of course, we're all just offering opinions.
    cgriffin wrote: »
    It seems that you believe Shopify is a better option. Why is this?

    It's not neccesarily that I think that Shopify is a better platform, but somebody suggested that the OP should move from Shopify to a WP / WooCommerce setup and I find that hard to justify. I can't see any major benefit in changing platform at this early stage in the OP's business.

    In fact from the OP's point of view there would be considerable amount of work involved in moving from Shopify. And again those advocating the WP/WooCommerce option haven't really given any compelling reasons for changing platforms.
    cgriffin wrote: »
    Can you give me an example of an Irish e-commerce store on the shopify platform which is achieving a high level of relevant organic traffic?

    Do you have any such data on Irish WooCommerce stores versus competing stores in the same market that are built on Shopify? In any case that's a fairly weak line of debate as there are far too many factors that contribute towards sales success other than the choice of platform.

    I am actually genuinely interested in why WooCommerce is a better option than Shopify. It's not something I have any experience with so I'm keen to know why you believe wooCommerce is superior.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61 ✭✭cgriffin


    Graham wrote: »
    That's hardly the most watertight argument. As a hosted platform Shopify is likely to attract a less tech savvy audience who are less likely to understand what SEO entails.

    FWIW, I think each platform has its place and I can't see a huge difference between either from an SEO point of view.

    It is not an argument just a genuine question.

    If SEO is not part of the mix in your goal to build a successful e-commerce store I think you will find it very difficult to achieve success without endless streams of investment.

    People got to learn what to do and know what they are doing whatever platform they are on.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,700 ✭✭✭tricky D


    One reason which might or might not apply as to whether Shopify or Woo/WP is better is ease of customisation. Is shopify customisation possible only through the UI or can I drill into code as well like I can with a self-hosted Woo/WP? I don't know shopify well enough to say myself? But I know I'd often prefer options beyond a UI-only.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 874 ✭✭✭devildriver


    tricky D wrote: »
    One reason which might or might not apply as to whether Shopify or Woo/WP is better is ease of customisation. Is shopify customisation possible only through the UI or can I drill into code as well like I can with a self-hosted Woo/WP? I don't know shopify well enough to say myself? But I know I'd often prefer options beyond a UI-only.

    Yes Shopify provides full ftp access to the template code.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61 ✭✭cgriffin


    Of course, we're all just offering opinions.



    It's not neccesarily that I think that Shopify is a better platform, but somebody suggested that the OP should move from Shopify to a WP / WooCommerce setup and I find that hard to justify. I can't see any major benefit in changing platform at this early stage in the OP's business.

    In fact from the OP's point of view there would be considerable amount of work involved in moving from Shopify. And again those advocating the WP/WooCommerce option haven't really given any compelling reasons for changing platforms.



    Do you have any such data on Irish WooCommerce stores versus competing stores in the same market that are built on Shopify? In any case that's a fairly weak line of debate as there are far too many factors that contribute towards sales success other than the choice of platform.

    I am actually genuinely interested in why WooCommerce is a better option than Shopify. It's not something I have any experience with so I'm keen to know why you believe wooCommerce is superior.

    Unfortunately you have completely ignored the fact that I pointed out earlier that commission fees on each transaction through Shopify is one very important reason to consider the Wordpress option which costs nothing.

    Competitive pricing is one of the key ways to sell online and every 2% counts when it comes to margins.

    As you say yourself moving from Shopify can be a difficult process but it would be better to do it after 48 hours than 48 days or four years but I'm glad others have questioned my opinions are there is nobody necessarily right or wrong here.

    I never asked for details on a Shopify site that is achieving lots of sales just one that is getting lots of relevant organic traffic.

    I can only speak for my own business when it comes to organic traffic and wordpress, local hosting etc and I am quite happy with how it is doing in relation to this but as you say yourself it is down to a lot of other factors outside platform itself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 874 ✭✭✭devildriver


    cgriffin wrote: »
    If SEO is not part of the mix in your goal to build a successful e-commerce store I think you will find it very difficult to achieve success without endless streams of investment.


    People got to learn what to do and know what they are doing whatever platform they are on.

    Absolutely true. But the question is why you feel that WooCommerce offers better SEO than Shopify.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61 ✭✭cgriffin


    Absolutely true. But the question is why you feel that WooCommerce offers better SEO than Shopify.

    I simply don't know of any Shopify e-commerce stores which are ranking well for organic traffic and nobody else seems to either so that is why I have my doubts.

    I like to see evidence I guess. Why pay for something when you can get it elsewhere for free.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 874 ✭✭✭devildriver


    cgriffin wrote: »
    Unfortunately you have completely ignored the fact that I pointed out earlier that commission fees on each transaction through Shopify is one very important reason to consider the Wordpress option which costs nothing.

    No I haven't ignored anything related to Shopify fees. I do realise that there are transaction fees on some of the accounts. I don't know which account the OP is using, he/she could very well be using the "Unlimited" account where there are no transactions fees.

    In any case depending on the type of business and volume of sales it may make sense to move to a platform that has zero transaction fees.

    But you seem to be suggesting that there is absolutely no cost in setting up a WooCommerce shop and thus it's all profit.
    cgriffin wrote: »
    Competitive pricing is one of the key ways to sell online and every 2% counts when it comes to margins.

    Of course but depending on volume of sales and the size of the margins, 2% may be an acceptable business cost.
    cgriffin wrote: »
    As you say yourself moving from Shopify can be a difficult process but it would be better to do it after 48 hours than 48 days or four years but I'm glad others have questioned my opinions are there is nobody necessarily right or wrong here.

    Why would it be better?
    cgriffin wrote: »
    I never asked for details on a Shopify site that is achieving lots of sales just one that is getting lots of relevant organic traffic.

    That data is unlikely to be obtained easily and it again misses the point. Thw question is why do you think WooCommerce will perform better than Shopify in terms of SEO and organic traffic?
    cgriffin wrote: »
    I can only speak for my own business when it comes to organic traffic and wordpress, local hosting etc and I am quite happy with how it is doing in relation to this but as you say yourself it is down to a lot of other factors outside platform itself.

    Glad to hear that business is good, seriously. But you seem to be taking it as fact that the factors you mention (local hosting, Wordpress) are essential for good organic traffic.

    My point is that I don't see any evidence to support the superiority of a locally hosted Wordpress / WooCommerce site over a cloud-hosted Shopify site. As always I'm happy to be enlightened.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 874 ✭✭✭devildriver


    cgriffin wrote: »
    I simply don't know of any Shopify e-commerce stores which are ranking well for organic traffic and nobody else seems to either so that is why I have my doubts.

    I like to see evidence I guess. Why pay for something when you can get it elsewhere for free.

    Respectfully, I rest my case. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61 ✭✭cgriffin


    No I haven't ignored anything related to Shopify fees. I do realise that there are transaction fees on some of the accounts. I don't know which account the OP is using, he/she could very well be using the "Unlimited" account where there are no transactions fees.

    In any case depending on the type of business and volume of sales it may make sense to move to a platform that has zero transaction fees.

    But you seem to be suggesting that there is absolutely no cost in setting up a WooCommerce shop and thus it's all profit.



    Of course but depending on volume of sales and the size of the margins, 2% may be an acceptable business cost.



    Why would it be better?



    That data is unlikely to be obtained easily and it again misses the point. Thw question is why do you think WooCommerce will perform better than Shopify in terms of SEO and organic traffic?



    Glad to hear that business is good, seriously. But you seem to be taking it as fact that the factors you mention (local hosting, Wordpress) are essential for good organic traffic.

    My point is that I don't see any evidence to support the superiority of a locally hosted Wordpress / WooCommerce site over a cloud-hosted Shopify site. As always I'm happy to be enlightened.

    Seriously mate I got to put an end as I don't have time for it.

    I never suggested that there is no fees when selling online but I what I will say very clearly is that Shopify seems is an unnecessary added fee on top of all the other ones.

    Some of the shopify plans also have monthly fees on top of transaction fees which is another unnecessary expense in my view.

    Shopify sites would appear to not rank well on google.ie which can of course be for a variety of reasons. The fact of the matter is they are not ranking well.

    I have doubts on cloud hosting platforms for e-commerce and ranking on search engines whatever your view.

    I honestly don't have time to go through the rest of what you are saying but you do seem to be on a mission to misrepresent my opinions in your replies and only read the parts which you suit you

    I'm on my bike now

    Good luck OP


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61 ✭✭cgriffin


    Respectfully, I rest my case. :)

    Oh sorry didn't realise we were in court today.

    You have added no value to this thread and the question by the OP in my opinion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 874 ✭✭✭devildriver


    cgriffin wrote: »
    Seriously mate I got to put an end as I don't have time for it.

    Me neither.
    cgriffin wrote: »
    I never suggested that there is no fees when selling online but I what I will say very clearly is that Shopify seems is an unnecessary added fee on top of all the other ones.

    I understand what you mean about unnecessary fees. However a fee / cost that provides value to the customer (in this case if it's ease of use or ease of payment management etc) can be an acceptable cost of doing business.
    cgriffin wrote: »
    Some of the shopify plans also have monthly fees on top of transaction fees which is another unnecessary expense in my view.

    See above
    cgriffin wrote: »
    Shopify sites would appear to not rank well on google.ie which can of course be for a variety of reasons. The fact of the matter is they are not ranking well.

    You are presenting your opinion as fact. Do you have any supporting evidence?
    cgriffin wrote: »
    I have doubts on cloud hosting platforms for e-commerce and ranking on search engines whatever your view.

    Fair enough, that's your opinion. I'm not convinced either way.
    cgriffin wrote: »
    I honestly don't have time to go through the rest of what you are saying but you do seem to be on a mission to misrepresent my opinions in your replies and only read the parts which you suit you

    Not at all. I have read all of your posts. The problem is you have presented a number of your opinions as fact and then when questioned on their validity have failed to come up with any supporting evidence or reason to support them.
    cgriffin wrote: »
    I'm on my bike now

    Good luck OP

    Travel safely.

    OP. Hopefully this is of some use to you. Best of luck with the store.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


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    may as well go all out and break out the <marquee> tags


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61 ✭✭cgriffin


    Me neither.



    I understand what you mean about unnecessary fees. However a fee / cost that provides value to the customer (in this case if it's ease of use or ease of payment management etc) can be an acceptable cost of doing business.



    See above



    You are presenting your opinion as fact. Do you have any supporting evidence?



    Fair enough, that's your opinion. I'm not convinced either way.




    Not at all. I have read all of your posts. The problem is you have presented a number of your opinions as fact and then when questioned on their validity have failed to come up with any supporting evidence or reason to support them.



    Travel safely.

    OP. Hopefully this is of some use to you. Best of luck with the store.

    The term "would appear" certainly does not mean I am presenting my opinion as a fact.

    I think you should really go back a few pages and actually read what I wrote rather than continue with this rather silly behaviour.

    Before I leave here though here is two facts for you.

    1: Wordpress works pretty good for me.

    2: I don't know one Irish E-Commerce store on the Shopify platform which is rocking when it comes to generating organic traffic.

    Better the devil you know as far as I am concerned.

    Nothing else to say on the matter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭ellejay


    Hi Saharastorm

    From a potential customer's point of view, I would be put off because of the lack of contact information. For me, Immediately alarm bells go off if I don't see an actual address and land line phone number on a newly discovered site.

    Don't bother pretending the prices are discounted / slashed, they are what they are. Looks a bit amateurish I think.

    You don't advise how delivery will be provided, e.g. registered post, courier company, carrier pigeon!!

    Also you don't actually state how you will be contacting customers.
    Should they expect automated email to confirm order, will you text them, will you call them?
    At least if customers know how you will be communicating with them, it will cut down on the enquiries and inspire confidence.

    I like the static menu bar across the top.
    However, when I click on "Smartphones" I have to click on "Home" to navigate back. The menu bar isn't there.

    I would loose the line "Irelands leading retailer" maybe something like Irelands Premier retailer or Favourite retailer because of it's excellent communication and speedy delivery.

    RE directing traffic to the site, when it's up and running, maybe some friends could mention it in chat rooms etc. The you tube suggestion was excellent.

    Re facebook, A Promotion similar to "like and share this page to be in with a chance to win a 50 voucher" always works!:)

    You could also consider one of the deal groups, deal rush / groupon / city deals. Even if you break even, I imagine the free advertising has to be worth something.

    If you're targeting specific area's can you run a competition in local free newspapers?

    Are you involved in a sports club? Can you sponsor a junior team?
    Can you give a prize to a raffle?

    Can you do a "goody drop" at a busy luas / train station / road junction? Obviously with website details on the goody. Even a squezzeball or pen or usb key, or trolley token. Something people will bring to work and talk about.

    Then they'll start talking about yourwebsite.

    Hope that helps and best of luck.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭The Pontiac


    cgriffin wrote: »
    Well to be fair I already offered my opinions on why I feel this is the case in a post above.

    It seems that you believe Shopify is a better option. Why is this?

    Can you give me an example of an Irish e-commerce store on the shopify platform which is achieving a high level of relevant organic traffic?

    I have a shopify website here. I don't see why shopify would have a negative effect on organic traffic. My main search keywords rankings fluctuate quite a bit (this is normal). A few days ago I was on page 2 for the search term ("Fishing Rods"). Currently I'm on page 1 for "Hokkai Rigs" and doing ok on another few keywords.

    I'm only online 6 months and don't have the extensive range of products that my competitors have. It takes time and patience to build an online store imo.

    The Shopify platform is simple to use re. SEO. Anyone can add page titles etc. It's really a user-friendly platform.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭The Pontiac


    cgriffin wrote: »
    Competitive pricing is one of the key ways to sell online and every 2% counts when it comes to margins.

    It's only 1% if you choose €79 per month option.

    Tbh, a lot of people see this a fairly good value considering what you are getting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 874 ✭✭✭devildriver


    cgriffin wrote: »
    The term "would appear" certainly does not mean I am presenting my opinion as a fact.

    I think you should really go back a few pages and actually read what I wrote rather than continue with this rather silly behaviour.

    No thanks. I have already read your posts. If you feel that somebody asking you to explain your opinions is "silly behaviour" then maybe this is not the place for you.

    In the interests of keeping this useful for the OP, you said multiple times (just go back and read your posts) that the OP should change from Shopify to WP/WooCommerce. But when questioned on why they should change you have failed to present any compelling reasons.

    Changing platform would involve a lot of time and money for the OP but at no time did I say that this change was incorrect I just wanted to know why it would be "better" than Shopify.

    You have now resorted to personal insults against me instead of trying to provide some constructive information that may help the OP.
    cgriffin wrote: »
    Before I leave here though here is two facts for you.

    1: Wordpress works pretty good for me.

    Therein lies the problem. That is not a fact, it's an opinion. Please try to understand the difference.
    cgriffin wrote: »
    2: I don't know one Irish E-Commerce store on the Shopify platform which is rocking when it comes to generating organic traffic.

    The fact that you don't know something doesn't make it true!

    cgriffin wrote: »
    Better the devil you know as far as I am concerned.

    But it's the devil that you know! I personally know nothing about WooCommerce. And despite the fact that you have extolled it's virtues over Shopify you have told us nothing about it. You have provided no information to the OP or the rest of us about why it's better.
    cgriffin wrote: »
    Nothing else to say on the matter.

    That's your choice.

    To the OP.

    Running some competitions on social media (as the Pontiac has mentioned) may help drive initial traffic although I wouldn't rely entirely on social media.

    Shortstack is worth having a look at:
    http://www.shortstack.com

    This of course would be best done when you have addressed all of the other issues mentioned.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 997 ✭✭✭pedronomix


    Comments I would make in no particular order.

    1, It was extremely naive of the OP to just stick up this pretty grim site without getting it properly designed/checked/beta tested and have a proper suite of products on offer. The site in my opinion is really horrible, one can only assume that this is bedroom/hobbyist operation and not a proper commercial business. You would not open a retail shop in this manner and nor should you do a proper eCommerce operation in this way.

    2. The use of a .com instead of a .ie domain is a serious mistake for all the reasons pointed out in many posts. It matters not a jot where it is hosted but the ie domain is important for an Irish business.

    3. Unsing any hosted solution that has transactional %age fee and monthly charge is just daft and only suited for those victims who know no better. These offereings are generally very nicely packaged and easy to use, just grossly over priced. Get rid of Shopify would be my call and sooner rather than later. The cost will be small as the current content is worthless.

    4. The real choice is between building your own, using systems such as WP/WOO or going for a proper shop-in-a-box fully hosted solution. I have a lot of experience of the latter and the products available have improved greatly from the early days. These are very suited to those with lower computer/web/design skills and have many features that you simply could not affordably develop for just one small site. Most are also extremely scaleable, great for when you hit the big time sales revenues.


    I am not trying be negative for the sake of being negative but rather to be brutally honest in an effort to shock you into doing something good with your dream!!

    Pedro :)

    PS I do like the types of products you are starting out with.....keep that direction!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,722 ✭✭✭nice_guy80


    the blue background burns my eyes


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 388 ✭✭Atomico


    First things first - site needs a complete revamp. I couldn't spend any more than a few seconds on the site due to the blue background! Why not a simple white background?

    When you have the most fundamental issues like this to address, you need to start at the whiteboard and figure it out in a checklist-type fashion to start. It might be an idea to talk to someone / a company with a decent portfolio to get you started.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    the blue background burns my eyes

    :(

    twas white the other evening - was grand


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61 ✭✭cgriffin


    No thanks. I have already read your posts. If you feel that somebody asking you to explain your opinions is "silly behaviour" then maybe this is not the place for you.

    In the interests of keeping this useful for the OP, you said multiple times (just go back and read your posts) that the OP should change from Shopify to WP/WooCommerce. But when questioned on why they should change you have failed to present any compelling reasons.

    Changing platform would involve a lot of time and money for the OP but at no time did I say that this change was incorrect I just wanted to know why it would be "better" than Shopify.

    You have now resorted to personal insults against me instead of trying to provide some constructive information that may help the OP.



    Therein lies the problem. That is not a fact, it's an opinion. Please try to understand the difference.



    The fact that you don't know something doesn't make it true!




    But it's the devil that you know! I personally know nothing about WooCommerce. And despite the fact that you have extolled it's virtues over Shopify you have told us nothing about it. You have provided no information to the OP or the rest of us about why it's better.



    That's your choice.

    To the OP.

    Running some competitions on social media (as the Pontiac has mentioned) may help drive initial traffic although I wouldn't rely entirely on social media.



    This of course would be best done when you have addressed all of the other issues mentioned.


    If you were to bother and look back on this thread you will see that it was not me that brought up shopify in the first place and I did not tell the OP that they definitely should move away from it. I said they should seek plenty of opinions on whether or not to do so.

    If you were to bother reading my first post you will see it covered a lot more things than shopify anyway. The thread is meant to be about traffic generation and not platform and I only posted in an effort to be helpful.

    If you were to bother reading my first post you will see that I said "selling online is still a relatively new process and it is evolving at the speed of an express train.
    Any advice you will get here or indeed anywhere is unlikely to lead to guaranteed success or failure" I certainly don't claim to have all the answers.

    It is "silly behaviour" to consistently try to misrepresent my opinion and I will post here if I like thank you very much. If you feel personally insulted I'm sure there is a report option or something.

    I am glad to see someone has now posted a link to their shopify site here. This is a site I feel the OP could learn a lot from from a layout and design point of view at least.

    As it is a young site and I have no idea how much off page seo work has been done on it to date it is hard to tell how it will rank long term but I would be concerned it could drop from page 2 for the term "fishing rods" to page 6 in a matter of days.


    It is a challenge to get your pages to rank but a whole different challenge to get them to stay there.

    But at least this poster has proven that you can rank through the Shopify platform which should be encouraging for anyone looking to use it.

    On competitions I think rather that run them through social media sites you might be better off to run them through your own site but use social media channels to promote them.

    The goal is to generate traffic after all!


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