All five Garth Brooks concerts cancelled !!

Rigsby

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/all-five-garth-brooks-dublin-concerts-cancelled-1.1859348

Tombo2001

I'm guessing this has been mentioned on boards before 16:53.

NIMAN

Shame, a lot of genuine fans left disappointed.

No-one comes out of this looking good, and that includes the artist himself, shows you how much 'he loves his Irish fans' that he's prepared to let 240,000 of them down for the 3 shows that got the OK.

Tombo2001

NIMAN wrote: »

Shame, a lot of genuine fans left disappointed.

No-one comes out of this looking good, and that includes the artist himself, shows you how much 'he loves his Irish fans' that he's prepared to let 240,000 of them down for the 3 shows that got the OK.

Apparently, Ireland didnt 'show him enough love'.

Rigsby

Tombo2001 wrote: »

I'm guessing this has been mentioned on boards before 16:53.

Sorry ! I thought if it was going to be mentioned on "Boards" then the "MUSIC" forum would be the place to do it. Had a quick look here before posting the thread.

inforfun

" Aiken Promotions have exhausted all avenues regarding the staging of this event.”

Yeah... apart from getting your licenses in sorted.

Harold Weiss

Absolutely devastated, shocked and saddened by this tragedy. My heart is with the fans.

wandatowell

An absolute clusterf*ck of a situation. No word from the GAA yet is there?

Ireland being pulled slowly but surely into the 21st century

Greenmachine

The ticket were sold subject to license. Cancelling the other 3 dates when a license was received for those date is surely breech of contract.

Rigsby

Greenmachine wrote: »

Cancelling the other 3 dates when a license was received for those date is surely breech of contract.

There was not much choice when Brooks gave the "five or none" ultimatum.

endacl

Utterly overwhelmed with indifference...

furiousox

Look on the bright side Garth Brooks fans.
Pink Floyd have a new album out in October!

mattser

Well played residents, well played.

furiousox

100% of the blame lies with the GAA and the promoter.

Tombo2001

wandatowell wrote: »

An absolute clusterf*ck of a situation. No word from the GAA yet is there?

Ireland being pulled slowly but surely into the 21st century

Really?

More of storm in a teacup.

Nobody died.......

whiteandlight

Greenmachine wrote: »

The ticket were sold subject to license. Cancelling the other 3 dates when a license was received for those date is surely breech of contract.

This is what I cannot understand. How does a long running professional company such as Aiken leave a loophole in their contract that would allow Gareth brooks cancel in the event that not all licenses were granted? This was an unprecedented request in the context of the use of Croke Park, how did they not write this in, particularly when the original agreement was for two concerts not five?

thedeer

My tuppence worth......

1. It's a bit worrying that approximately 10% of the entire population of Ireland bought tickets for this.
2. God must exist.
3. God must not exist because 'heaps' of people were praying (many of them in 'LOURDES') that this event would go ahead.
4. I would (respectfully) suggest that the five gigs are amalgamated into one giant gig and held (in a field) as part of the ploughing championships in September.

tayto lover

I had no interest in these concerts at all but I feel sorry for the hotels, chippers, shops and other businesses and their staff in the area who missed out on a 50 million euro windfall when times are hard. The country needs events like this and contrary to what other posters think the blame lies not only with the promoter and the GAA but also with the resident committees some members of which do not even live anywhere the area.

Next time perhaps the organisers would arrange things properly before making the whole country look backward.

This is not good for the country and shows us in a bad light.

NIMAN

Surely letting 240,000 people come to concerts and spending 3/5 of the money the 5/5 would have, would have been a better idea.

Brooks comes out of this looking like a spolit brat for me. There was originally only 1 concert afaik, that went to 2, then 3, then 5. It wasn't as if 5 were released at the start, so he should pucker up and stage the 3, shows a lack of care for his fans.

Brianderunner

Personally delighted on 2 fronts;

I'm heading to Dublin that weekend from London so I wont have to deal with the headache of travelling to and from Dublin Airport during a big Croker gig

I was planning on going to Thurles that weekend for the hurling quarter finals, these will be moved to croker now i would imagine so no travelling to and from Thurles

For Reals

All Aiken's fault. He screwed up. You don't sell tickets for five concerts before you even got permission for one. Rookie promoter mistake.
He only put in for permission for the initial three a couple of weeks back and for the following two last week. Very badly organised.
Brooks has his jockeys in a bunch, so much for his fans.
The three were the planned ones, the other two were extras added due to demand so he could have easily gone ahead with the three.
Blaming the council or any locals is a smoke screen.
The press this has gotten is the real embarrassment for the country.

Santa Cruz

Brianderunner wrote: »

Personally delighted on 2 fronts;

I'm heading to Dublin that weekend from London so I wont have to deal with the headache of travelling to and from Dublin Airport during a big Croker gig

I was planning on going to Thurles that weekend for the hurling quarter finals, these will be moved to croker now i would imagine so no travelling to and from Thurles

Make sure that you use the proper toilets and don't give the residents any more ammunition

Greenmachine

Rigsby wrote: »

There was not much choice when Brooks gave the "five or none" ultimatum.

Issue is with Garth on this one, but Aiken are the point of contact with the customer. No interest in going myself. Hopefully his bullheaded attitude will lose him some fans. I actually don't think he is a bad singer either even if I don't follow his genre. His attitude stinks.

ShakerMaker91

how Garth Brooks sold out 5 dates at Croke Park in the first place is beyond me...

pcbscott

For Reals wrote: »

All Aiken's fault. He screwed up. You don't sell tickets for five concerts before you even got permission for one. Rookie promoter mistake.
He only put in for permission for the initial three a couple of weeks back and for the following two last week. Very badly organised.
Brooks has his jockeys in a bunch, so much for his fans.
The three were the planned ones, the other two were extras added due to demand so he could have easily gone ahead with the three.
Blaming the council or any locals is a smoke screen.
The press this has gotten is the real embarrassment for the country.

In fairness to Aiken : Promotors are never granted the license to run an event which involves the public until the hours before the event. The license is subject to getting sign off from a H&S viewpoint once all the elements required for the event are in place.

This is why all events / festivals are sold subject to license. The residents issue is no doubt another part of the licence, but even if that had not been an issue there would have been no license granted untill the day of the event.

Skybox

ShakerMaker91 wrote: »

how Garth Brooks sold out 5 dates at Croke Park in the first place is beyond me...

Garth Brooks is actually the best selling artist of all time. I reckon he'd have sold out a couple more concerts tbh!

Snickers Man

Santa Cruz wrote: »

Make sure that you use the proper toilets and don't give the residents any more ammunition

Yeah coz it's such an unreasonable request to ask someone not to piss on your doorstep. :rolleyes:

TroutMask

Garth brooked no quarter

ted1

furiousox wrote: »

100% of the blame lies with the GAA and the promoter.

No it's all one directions fault. They were the ones who took the there concert dates.

For Reals

pcbscott wrote: »

In fairness to Aiken : Promotors are never granted the license to run an event which involves the public until the hours before the event. The license is subject to getting sign off from a H&S viewpoint once all the elements required for the event are in place.

This is why all events / festivals are sold subject to license. The residents issue is no doubt another part of the licence, but even if that had not been an issue there would have been no license granted untill the day of the event.

Two separate issues. H&S can walk in anywhere any time and close it. This was permission off the council to hold the event that wasn't sought. That and insurance being in place go hand in hand. If no permission is given, H&S has nothing to look over. Also as regards Brooks, the fourth and fifth gigs we're add-ons so the five or nothing was an ego tantrum. Really sad to see our government even commenting on a cancelled few gigs. That's what makes us a joke.

Greenmachine

For Reals wrote: »

Two separate issues. H&S can walk in anywhere any time and close it. This was permission off the council to hold the event that wasn't sought. That and insurance being in place go hand in hand. If no permission is given, H&S has nothing to look over. Also as regards Brooks, the fourth and fifth gigs we're add-ons so the five or nothing was an ego tantrum. Really sad to see our government even commenting on a cancelled few gigs. That's what makes us a joke.

I guess the other 4 millions of us were supposed to bow to power of Garth.

WittyNameForMe

I’m Astounded this campaign spearheaded by a CASTLEKNOCK resident and a small number of Croke Park ‘residents’ can result in all 5 Garth Brooks concerts being cancelled. Seriously a Castleknock resident, Castleknock is about 9 kms away from Croke Park!! Has this individual no local vendettas to contend with. The Garth Brooks concerts would have not only benefited the Croke Park area greatly, but the country as a whole. I hope they are happy with their selfish achievement, because 400.000 people certainly aren’t. They and Dublin City Council should hang their heads in shame. Roughly 300 people or so who complained inconvenienced for a couple of hours on 5 days versus 400,000 people enjoying a concert they looked forward to and spent their hard earned money on. Surely the donation of €500,000 for the local community would be reason enough to let these events go ahead. What happened to community spirit, surely a couple of hours inconvenience is worth a €500,000 investment into your local area. Maybe the problem is the donation was going to the local area not Castleknock.

Guffy

Ticketmaster will be refunding their handling charges too right?

For Reals

WittyNameForMe wrote: »

I’m Astounded this campaign spearheaded by a CASTLEKNOCK resident and a small number of Croke Park ‘residents’ can result in all 5 Garth Brooks concerts being cancelled. Seriously a Castleknock resident, Castleknock is about 9 kms away from Croke Park!! Has this individual no local vendettas to contend with. The Garth Brooks concerts would have not only benefited the Croke Park area greatly, but the country as a whole. I hope they are happy with their selfish achievement, because 400.000 people certainly aren’t. They and Dublin City Council should hang their heads in shame. Roughly 300 people or so who complained inconvenienced for a couple of hours on 5 days versus 400,000 people enjoying a concert they looked forward to and spent their hard earned money on. Surely the donation of €500,000 for the local community would be reason enough to let these events go ahead. What happened to community spirit, surely a couple of hours inconvenience is worth a €500,000 investment into your local area. Maybe the problem is the donation was going to the local area not Castleknock.

You've either not been following the news, reading this thread or both.
What happened was;

A few months back Aitken promotions sold tickets for three nights, which sold out. Then they sold tickets for an extra two nights due to popular demand.

About two weeks ago Aitken promotions applied for permission off the council for three nights. They got permission, even though there was a complaint in the works of the courts.
Then last week, Aitken promotions applied for permission for the fourth and fifth nights, extra nights.
The council said no, you can't do five nights in a row. It's a policy already in place.
So without the residents or anyone from Castleknock getting involved, the three were approved but not the forth and fifth.
This pissed off Garth who pulled out of the whole deal.
The End.

So it was the promoters fault for not having his ducks in a row and Garth for having a hissy fit and refusing to do the three original nights which were free to go ahead. Garth Brooks cancelled three gigs.

TroutMask

Garth is a pseud - in my 30 years in the music biz I've rarely heard of such histrionic wussjackery. Aiken is respected for a reason, and a much better promoter than those other guys (the ones we're not supposed to mention on Boards or so I am told). But Aiken did proceed under the assumption that he/they were going to be allowed to exceed the quota. The GAA should have said 'No way, Jose' from the get go - but they clearly saw the dollar and tried to chance it. I'm glad the courts supported the 3-concert limit, as noise nuisance is a big problem in Dublin, and the legislation was never properly upgraded to deal with this environmental problem.

mattser

For Reals wrote: »

You've either not been following the news, reading this thread or both.
What happened was;

A few months back Aitken promotions sold tickets for three nights, which sold out. Then they sold tickets for an extra two nights due to popular demand.

About two weeks ago Aitken promotions applied for permission off the council for three nights. They got permission, even though there was a complaint in the works of the courts.
Then last week, Aitken promotions applied for permission for the fourth and fifth nights, extra nights.
The council said no, you can't do five nights in a row. It's a policy already in place.
So without the residents or anyone from Castleknock getting involved, the three were approved but not the forth and fifth.
This pissed off Garth who pulled out of the whole deal.
The End.

So it was the promoters fault for not having his ducks in a row and Garth for having a hissy fit and refusing to do the three original nights which were free to go ahead. Garth Brooks cancelled three gigs.

+1

blastman

Skybox wrote: »

Garth Brooks is actually the best selling artist of all time. I reckon he'd have sold out a couple more concerts tbh!

No, he's actually not...

Welsh Megaman

Has nobody thought of poor Nathan Carter and Shane Filan?! :eek:

ted1

The tickets were sold as being subject to licence. For people that bought tickets the to the original concerts the licence was granted. I wonder know is there a possibility if claiming compensation for hotel rooms etc

IrishLad90

agreement for 3/4 gigs a year and there has already been 3
the country is going to miss out on over 100 million euro
after all there protesting will the residents sit outside the dail when we are all taxed for there actions in the next budget

Synyster Shadow

Why couldn't they have relocated the concerts to Marley park or somewhere else even slane..
Alot of money lost

Really tickets should only go on sale when its definitely going ahead

Lirange

Garth Brooks...Axl Rose... great pair of lads.

WoollyRedHat

Why don't the government just offer the residents a holiday in a mobile home for the weekend and supply them coke and hookers,and let them get at it.

Win Win.

Ipso

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Why don't the government just offer the residents a holiday in a mobile home for the weekend and supply them coke and hookers,and let them get at it.

Win Win.

Or things could just be organised according to the law. This farce requires zero government intervention!
My sarcasm detector may be off!

Rigsby

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Why don't the government just offer the residents a holiday in a mobile home for the weekend

It would be better for all concerned if they offered better planning laws.

TroutMask

Rigsby wrote: »

It would be better for all concerned if they offered better planning laws.

Great point Rigsby, the framework is the problem and G-gate has shown up the deficiencies. A good example is the noise nuisance laws, they were tabled to be reviewed and then the recession struck. As these laws were never upgraded, we still have flaky and antediluvian legislation in this area.

Ash.J.Williams

TroutMask wrote: »

Garth is a pseud - in my 30 years in the music biz I've rarely heard of such histrionic wussjackery. Aiken is respected for a reason, and a much better promoter than those other guys (the ones we're not supposed to mention on Boards or so I am told). But Aiken did proceed under the assumption that he/they were going to be allowed to exceed the quota. The GAA should have said 'No way, Jose' from the get go - but they clearly saw the dollar and tried to chance it. I'm glad the courts supported the 3-concert limit, as noise nuisance is a big problem in Dublin, and the legislation was never properly upgraded to deal with this environmental problem.

irish love garth because he has a song that he says "kiss my assss" and all the drunk people at weddings think it's hilarious

Ipso

Rigsby wrote: »

It would be better for all concerned if they offered better planning laws.

Or if existing laws were adhered to.

Ash.J.Williams

Ipso wrote: »

Or if existing laws were adhered to.

the law is 3 gigs per year and all others subject to license isn't it?

Ipso

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

the law is 3 gigs per year and all others subject to license isn't it?

From what i understand, yes. Maybe 5 comes before 3 in promoter world. And then Garth expresses loyalty to fans his five or none policy.

Ash.J.Williams

Ipso wrote: »

From what i understand, yes. Maybe 5 comes before 3 in promoter world. And then Garth expresses loyalty to fans his five or none policy.

Most gigs over 5000k attendance are also subject to license...and due to time,costs and ridiculous planning laws they have to sell the tickets in advance of the license.