One in Five women are considering designer vagina surgery

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Is this something you would consider?

Have you ever received negative comments about your genitals?

I sincerely hope this doesn't become any more of a trend.

kylith

In my experience most guys are too delighted to be having sex to be passing comment on what it looks like.

nc19

Speaking as a man of the world, no matter what it looked like, no man would say no thanks once it was offered.....

Morgase

Whilst I've had manys the conversation about being dissatisfied with breast size or size generally, this subject has never come up, even when discussing things like waxing. So I doubt those 1 in 5 stats would apply to Ireland - or maybe I'm just projecting!

Seems awfully sad to consider such drastic surgery because of what some potential men might think, especially as kylith says they would hardly care anyway.

Shakespeare's Sister

One in five women where? First I've heard of it!
Vaginas can never be made to look nice anyway, but how they look doesn't matter IMO.

Jerrica

Magaggie wrote: »

Vaginas can never be made to look nice anyway, but how they look doesn't matter IMO.

I think they're quite charming looking, there's something terribly mysterious about them with all those folds and layers and suggestions of what fun lies underneath

eviltwin

Is no part of our bodies good enough anymore? Makes you wonder if women are being told they look deformed or if its a self inflicted perception. Where does it come from? Porn?

meeeeh

It is impossible to know how serious the research is without a bit more info on sample and the questions asked and other context.

I forgot most of the statistics theory but if I remember things correctly you would need very good sampling procedure to extract anything meaningful from such a small sample.

Amirani

Magaggie wrote: »

One in five women where? First I've heard of it!
Vaginas can never be made to look nice anyway, but how they look doesn't matter IMO.

Flinders University, Australia. The results showed "17% were interested in having labiaplasty" from a pool of 351 participants.

The actual study doesn't appear to be online yet, but I'd be interested in seeing an explanation of their research methodology. I'm not sure being interested in having plastic surgery is as big a deal as intending or wanting to.

meeeeh wrote: »

It is impossible to know how serious the research is without a bit more info on sample and the questions asked and other context.

I forgot most of the statistics theory but if I remember things correctly you would need very good sampling procedure to extract anything meaningful from such a small sample.

Yeah, that too. A large proportion of these types of surveys are self-selected sampling whereby people apply to take part in the survey. The types of people that apply aren't generally representative of the entire population thus it would be incorrect to infer that the results are representative of the population.

StudentDad

God that's depressing. Nevermind overall looks, personality etc.

Is it narcissism or just another extension of the botox/plastic surgery phenomenon?

SD

meeeeh

Btw this is the kind of statement you would put out to make people at least a little bit interested to attend otherwise fairly specialized conference.

I can see how some young women feel pressure, if they've been fed things like the popular disgust of women with unwaxed pudendas and with the relatively new phenomenon of anal bleaching being offered at waxing salons.

It normalises the overall rejection of a womans genitals in their natural state. The next step is surgery to conform to the ideal - and the ideal that nearly everyone is exposed to now is that of the uniformly bald, bleached, surgically modified vulva.

Wouldn't be interested in surgery in a million years myself.

Such is the normality of such procedures in certain cirlces that the Oscar 'goody bag' contained a voucher offering the recipient the latest in vaginal rejuvenation surgery.

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/mar/02/oscars-2014-10-things-to-look-out-for

The bag contains luxury holiday vouchers, a home-spa system, a “vaginal rejuvenation” treatment called the O-shot (the perfect Mother’s Day gift) and a tube of “horse shampoo”.

The perfect Mothers Day gift.

And human society is now at the pinnacle of enlightenment and civilisation. How depressing.

Hey ma, fix your vag

bluewolf

bluewolf wrote: »

Hey ma, fix your vag

It'll take YEARS off ya :P

Saipanne

As a man, I have encountered quite a few women who appear ashamed of the way their vagina looks, or, how they perceive it looks. I think this is a shame. Where does it come from?

paulcummins

A lot of women I've encountered have also hated their vagina "lips". As a guy you always try to make her feel better and reassured but there is no doubt that some vaginas are more aesthetic than others

Saipanne

paulcummins wrote: »

A lot of women I've encountered have also hated their vagina "lips". As a guy you always try to make her feel better and reassured but there is no doubt that some vaginas are more aesthetic than others

Right, but in my experience the vast, vast majority are just fine, in terms of aesthetics. Only a couple of times I saw odd looking ones, and it certainly did not turn me off.

paulcummins

Saipanne wrote: »

Right, but in my experience the vast, vast majority are just fine, in terms of aesthetics. Only a couple of times I saw odd looking ones, and it certainly did not turn me off.

It's up to the female in question to determine if it looks fine or not. For some men its going to matter and for some men it won't matter that much. I don't like the "men will take whatever they can get" type of attitude.

Saipanne

paulcummins wrote: »

I don't like the "men will take whatever they can get" type of attitude.

Neither do I.

Lyaiera

paulcummins wrote: »

It's up to the female in question to determine if it looks fine or not. For some men its going to matter and for some men it won't matter that much. I don't like the "men will take whatever they can get" type of attitude.

"The woman in question."

meeeeh

What I don't like and what lazy articles like this one do is create the impression you have to think about this type of issues. Since 20% of women are apparently considering doing it suddenly we start to think and discuss how our vagina looks. Well screw that there is a whole lot more to me than one organ. And screw those men who find perfectly normal and healthy vagina off putting.

HomelessMidge

I could only imagine the stats if it was with us men. If there was a ready available surgery to plump and lengthen the penis I'd say at least 75% of men would go for it.

Greenmachine

Perhaps the survey was conducted amongst customers of a plastic surgery clinic. In which case they would not be representative of the general population.
Surely most people have never actually considered plastic surgery. Am I naive or something.

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Greenmachine wrote: »

Perhaps the survey was conducted amongst customers of a plastic surgery clinic. In which case they would not be representative of the general population.
Surely most people have never actually considered plastic surgery. Am I naive or something.

Right? I can't imagine being so hung up on my appearance that I'd actually pay someone to take a knife to my fanny. Jesus, I cut myself shaving once and I still break out in a cold sweat remembering it.

Morgase

Actually yeah, that's a really good point. Of areas in the body where you do not want to risk having particular nerves severed, that's got to rank pretty high...

paulcummins

paulcummins wrote: »

A lot of women I've encountered have also hated their vagina "lips". As a guy you always try to make her feel better and reassured but there is no doubt that some vaginas are more aesthetic than others

I wonder what kind of reception I'd get on a mens forum if I opined about the relative aesthetics of different penises.

Some vulvas (the vagina is an internal organ) may be prettier than others, but the gents don't always have a bag of cute puppies either.

fits

One in five women? They are in their ....

I don't even have an idea of what a 'designer' vag is supposed to look like. But if this is porn having an influence on preferences again, f. That. Seriously.

pwurple

meeeeh wrote: »

And screw those men who find perfectly normal and healthy vagina off putting.

Or not, right.

Yeah, this is daftness. While i would certainly consider some surgical repair after damage during childbirth, changing just the look is vanity of the highest order. How long are people spending examining themselves to even be bothered?

pwurple

pwurple wrote: »

. How long are people spending examining themselves to even be bothered?

I doubt anyone is sitting on the side of the bath with a hand mirror, lamenting the discolouration or length of their labia. I think it's likely it's being commented on, or compared unfavourably with porn performers.

There is literally no part of a womans body that isn't up for criticism now. Not even the most intimate parts of us are safe from public debate or scrutiny.

GalwayGuy2

I wonder what questions they asked in the survey?

Have you ever been tempted to have genital surgery? Or, if you could, would you have genital surgery?

Princess Peach

Not for me but I wouldn't assume to call it narcissism or vanity. People can have image issues about any part of their body, for any number of reasons, I'm sure not all of them are down to looking good for a man.

What seems silly and trivial to others might be a big deal for someone. I'm not advocating unnecessary surgery, just saying I wouldn't harshly judge every 1 in 5 who considered it. If only we could all love ourselves more

Saipanne

Candie wrote: »

Not even the most intimate parts of us are safe from public debate or scrutiny.

In fairness, that affects both sexes. I'd wager mens privates are more fair game for criticism/mockery in public discourse than women's.

paulcummins

Candie wrote: »

I wonder what kind of reception I'd get on a mens forum if I opined about the relative aesthetics of different penises.

Some vulvas (the vagina is an internal organ) may be prettier than others, but the gents don't always have a bag of cute puppies either.

To be fair, men do get opined about the aesthetics of their penises. Small penis/small balls and a man is done. I'm not speaking for ALL women here of course before I get jumped on.

It's women who are opting for this procedure, not men. So I would urge other women who have a problem with it to direct their anger/annoyance towards the actual women who are deciding to make their vaginas more aesthetic. I know from experience that a lot of women are not happy with how their vagina looks. Thinking back, it's strange how many women I've been with/my friends have told me about that have this issue.

Jerrica

Jerrica wrote: »

I think they're quite charming looking, there's something terribly mysterious about them with all those folds and layers and suggestions of what fun lies underneath

Whenever I see a certain type of orchid, I think of the female configuration.



I'm either very positive or delusional.

paulcummins

paulcummins wrote: »

To be fair, men do get opined about the aesthetics of their penises. Small penis/small balls and a man is done. I'm not speaking for ALL women here of course before I get jumped on.

It's women who are opting for this procedure, not men. So I would urge other women who have a problem with it to direct their anger/annoyance towards the actual women who are deciding to make their vaginas more aesthetic. I know from experience that a lot of women are not happy with how their vagina looks. Thinking back, it's strange how many women I've been with/my friends have told me about that have this issue.

My point was that I wouldn't make comments about the aesthetics of male genitalia on a mens forum.

I have no anger or annoyance towards anyone who has cosmetic surgery, nor do I have a problem with it. I am bewildered about the genesis of their insecurity regarding this particular area, since it's not something that a person looks at every, like one's face. It's not something born in a vacuum.

meeeeh

Saipanne wrote: »

In fairness, that affects both sexes. I'd wager mens privates are more fair game for criticism/mockery in public discourse than women's.

I think men's privates were always more "into your face" . For women it changed a lot with current prevalence of waxing. It might just be me but it seems soft porn websites seem to be a lot more fascinated with vulva/vagina than breasts. In eighties there were Samantha Fox, Subrina and co, now we have very airbrushed young looking girls with big eyes and very slight bodies. Decades ago there would be nothing but a bush to see 'down there'and now it seems that soft porn is almost going for a prepubescent look.

spurious

Most straight women (other than nurses and other medical folk I suppose) don't have any experience of what other women's genitalia look like close up and so rely on what they see in porn films.

Embarrassing Bodies have a page on their site dealing with what is 'normal'.
Multiple lady parts images, probably NSFW

Das Kitty

I think people only find genitals ugly because we're not used to seeing them much. I know as I've grown older and seen lots and lots of more sets of genitals, I've found them more attractive.

I remember the first time I saw the photo of a cervix I was :eek:

But now I'm more familiar with its topology I find them quite lovely.

Vojera

I remember an episode of Embarrassing Bodies where a woman got labioplasty because her labia minora were really long and rubbing on her underwear constantly and hurting her and were prone to infection. That surgery has stayed with me to this day, it looked horrifying and so so painful.

I hate to think there are women out there who would put themselves through that because they think their genitals don't confirm to some imaginary standard.

Shakespeare's Sister

All I know is: I love saying "Designa vagina!"

Legs.Eleven

Candie wrote: »

Whenever I see a certain type of orchid, I think of the female configuration.



I'm either very positive or delusional.

Jaysus I thought that was a photo of my ACTUALY vagina and wondered how you got your hands on it! It's the spit of it! *wink*



This has never so much as crossed my mind and I've only ever had a positive reception from men (and I doubt my vagina is anything special). I don't believe in the 1/5 stat. I really hope that's not the case. We shouldn't succumb to this bollocks.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

Magaggie wrote: »

All I know is: I love saying "Designa vagina!"

Designer vaginer has a certain ring to it as well...

Note to self: prepare Dragons' Den pitch for 'Vagina Rings'

paulcummins

Just to be honest here ladies, I think most men, if they are honest, would admit that the large hanging labia look isn't the best.

I'm not speaking for every guy but for me it's a disappointment.

kylith

paulcummins wrote: »

Just to be honest here ladies, I think most men, if they are honest, would admit that the large hanging labia look isn't the best.

I'm not speaking for every guy but for me it's a disappointment.

But do you think it's something a woman should have surgery to 'correct' if they aren't causing her any problems?

MissFlitworth

Yep, some people can have completely irrational reactions to other people's genitals alright. Like women having preference for a particular length or shape or girth of penis. Luckily for everyone we can take our disappointing parts onto the next person, who probably won't actually notice them, rather than getting them cut off.

I've yet to conduct a poll of men but I find it hard to believe that there are many out there whose first reaction upon seeing a vagina they are about to get to have sex with is 'aw no, wrong shape' rather than 'yay, sex'

vibe666

I've seen quite a few in my time, both ends of the spectrum and my experience, every one of them is different, but none have ever "disappointed" me.

I think that us guys are just predisposed to finding them attractive.

Personally I think willies are awful looking yokes, but women still seem to like them well enough.

If we didn't, the human race wouldn't have been nearly as successful at reproducing.

iwantmydinner

paulcummins wrote: »

Just to be honest here ladies, I think most men, if they are honest, would admit that the large hanging labia look isn't the best.

I'm not speaking for every guy but for me it's a disappointment.

Finding oneself naked with a vagina critic would be quite disappointing also, I imagine.

Sarajevo Assasin

nc19 wrote: »

Speaking as a man of the world, no matter what it looked like, no man would say no thanks once it was offered.....

Speak for yourself.

Sarajevo Assasin

Candie wrote: »

I wonder what kind of reception I'd get on a mens forum if I opined about the relative aesthetics of different penises.

Some vulvas (the vagina is an internal organ) may be prettier than others, but the gents don't always have a bag of cute puppies either.

Some penis are better looking than others, some vaginas are better looking than others. Anyone who can't accept that fact of life has problems.

eviltwin

A penis and vagina don't need to be aesthetically pleasing though. Its what it can do that counts, not what it looks like.

By the time you get to see the goods you should have developed an attraction to the whole person anyway, would you really be put off by an otherwise sexy woman because her lips were too big/too small. A penis is maybe slightly different because some women - and men - still equate penis size to performance but who in the height of passion is going to walk away just because they don't like the way a person's genitalia look.