100 years to the day

... Since Archduke Franz Ferdinand was assassinated. Havent seen a thread here in AH, worth taking a few moments to remember the past and the chain of events following the assassination.

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HerrScheisse

He was just a patsy with an iron will and a steady hand. The leader of Black Hand had more responsibility yet nobody knows his name.

WW1 would have happened anyway. Just look at the figures for the armaments industry.

Shakespeare's Sister

"I heard that it started when a bloke called Archie Duke shot an ostrich coz he was hungry."

Grandpa Hassan

The kaiser would have found another excuse to mobilise, for sure. Was only a matter of time

Divergent

Chain of events?

HerrScheisse

Ironically, He may have killed the best friend of Serbian autonomy, Franz Ferdinand, was certainly not a "typical" royal, nor even in favour with his own family.

Donkey Oaty

RIP and condolences to all his friends and family.

HerrScheisse

Grandpa Hassan wrote: »

The kaiser would have found another excuse to mobilise, for sure. Was only a matter of time

There was already a shortage of Krupp shell delivery to Belgium, many months before the war.

HerrScheisse

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

RIP and condolences to all his friends and family.

And to all of us living in the broken world they left behind, European unity, middle eastern mayhem, lunacy in Germany and the smoking stacks of Auschwitz all originate to this fateful shot.

Gavrilo, you crazy diamond.

Augmerson

Not fond of the band really but RIP.

corner of hells

I'm still waiting on my Great Uncle Frank to come back from the Somme.

Augmerson

corner of hells wrote: »

I'm still waiting on my Great Uncle Frank to come back from the Somme.

He's been gone awhile, somme man.

HerrScheisse

Maybe it was necessary? It a single death can cause such government sponsored mass murderous mayhem, then the world is unbalanced and would have wobbled like a drunkard into an abyss anyway. Maybe even worse. Who can say? Perhaps necessary?

Poor Uncle Tom

corner of hells wrote: »

I'm still waiting on my Great Uncle Frank to come back from the Somme.

Great Uncle Frank!

Hande hoche!

A brave Yugoslav patriot.

Tar.Aldarion

HerrScheisse wrote: »

He was just a patsy with an iron will and a steady hand. The leader of Black Hand had more responsibility yet nobody knows his name.

WW1 would have happened anyway. Just look at the figures for the armaments industry.

Too soon man, too soon.

HerrScheisse

All this hypothetical talk of stopping Hitler if you had the chance. If you knew in advance what he would become, could you stop it even when he was a child? Barbarism justifying barbarism? But nobody ever talks of stopping Gavrilo, an insignificant 19 year old that changed the world unknowingly and unwittingly.

Ye Gods, talk about being in the right place at the right time.

HerrScheisse

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Too soon man, too soon.

I would have said that about the "Archie Dukie" crack.

MRnotlob606

Take me out ,

corner of hells

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

Great Uncle Frank!

Yeah , he went to the Somme last week to do a bit of fishing.

Guy:Incognito

Good night sweet prin.... , eh archduke.

HerrScheisse

Hande hoche! wrote: »

A brave Yugoslav patriot.

Serbian rather than Yugoslav??

Guy:Incognito

Sodeepithurts wrote: »

Take an interest in the world and read.

Learning is for squares man!

HerrScheisse

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Good night sweet prin.... , eh archduke.

Oh it would have had so much more poetic remorse if it were so....and the line delivered in the deadpan 90's style of Arnold Schwarzeneggar.

Hootanany

HerrScheisse wrote: »

Ironically, He may have killed the best friend of Serbian autonomy, Franz Ferdinand, was certainly not a "typical" royal, nor even in favour with his own family.

Crap band

HerrScheisse

Crap brand more like.

Harry Palmr

Playing in a car park in Waterford soon!

Manchester Guardian was on the ball

"It is not to be supposed that the death of the Archduke Francis Ferdinand will have any immediate or salient effect on the politics of Europe."

thelad95

Jesus I didn't realise they were dead that long. It seems like just yesterday that their last album was out :eek:

c_man

If only they had the internet, the assassin could have taken out his frustrations on a primitive message board and argue about politics

Maphisto

HerrScheisse wrote: »

All this hypothetical talk of stopping Hitler if you had the chance. If you knew in advance what he would become, could you stop it even when he was a child? Barbarism justifying barbarism? But nobody ever talks of stopping Gavrilo, an insignificant 19 year old that changed the world unknowingly and unwittingly.

Ye Gods, talk about being in the right place at the right time.

No. He was the spark but there was enough fuel around that it would have happened in any case.

HerrScheisse

That comment could apply to any conflict. WW2 inclusive. Seemingly human technological and social progress is drenched in gasoline and oiled with blood.

Riddle101

There should be a concert in Sarajevo today to mark the 100th anniversary. The headline acts would be Franz Ferdinand and Kaiser Chiefs.

Also I thought this was pretty funny. If WWI was a bar fight.
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Maphisto

HerrScheisse wrote: »

That comment could apply to any conflict. WW2 inclusive. Seemingly human technological and social progress is drenched in gasoline and oiled with blood.

And? That doesn't make it false or untrue.

You could say WW2 started when Hitler invaded Poland but that wasn't the cause.

bnt

Riddle101 wrote: »

There should be a concert in Sarajevo today to mark the 100th anniversary. The headline acts would be Franz Ferdinand and Kaiser Chiefs.

There was a concert there today - but with the Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra, none of this new-fangled popular music.

The story of the assasination would be a comedy if not for the people who died, then and later. Short version: first the Black Hand gang tried to kill the Archduke by lobbing home-made grenades at his car, but only succeeded in wounding a guard. They called it a day, split up, and Gavrilo Princip went for a sandwich ... but when he came out of the restaurant, the Archduke's car was right there. They were on their way to visit the injured guard in hospital, had gotten a bit lost and the driver was trying to reverse back on to the main street - and Princip still had his gun on him.

Christy Browne

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Playing in a car park in Waterford soon!

Manchester Guardian was on the ball

That's Kaiser Chiefs :pac:

Harry Palmr

Christy Browne wrote: »

That's Kaiser Chiefs :pac:

Meh, Kaiser Chiefs, Franz Ferdinand, they're all basically the same!

Lapin

Hande hoche! wrote: »

A brave Yugoslav patriot.

History and geography not your strong points then.