Tongue tie

Has anyone chosen to have you child's tongue tie snipped when under 1?

Would be interested in any experiences.

Thanks

cyning

I had my little girls snipped when she was 15 days old: she's 16 weeks now. It was a mild posterior tongue tie but was causing me awful problems feeding and was aggravating her reflux no end. I got a referral from a phn when she was 8 days old and had it done in Limerick. Health insurance covered the full cost. The doc in the hospital told me she had no tongue tie... A lot of docs and phns mightn't pick up on it.

My appt was at 3pm. Doc got slightly delayed so he saw her at 340. He explained everything to me. Put his fingers in her mouth and she started to bawl. That was reassuring in a way. He then snipped it with a scissors: there was no extra crying or wailing so it obviously didn't hurt her. Small bit of blood and it was all done. He went away so I fed Her at that stage and he came back to make sure she fed OK and then we got to go home. The relief I felt was instantaneous, and improved massively.

Afterwards I rubbed a gloved finger under her tongue a few times a day to stop it reattaching.

Honestly I have zero regrets with getting it done. It was simple and straightforward.

Thanks for the response. My lo is getting his tongue tie cut next week. I think I will be in a worse state than him.

How Strange

Best of luck

It baffles me why they stopped snipping it in the maternity hospitals. Apparently in the coombe one consultant used to visit the wards and check the tongues off all the newborns and snip any tongue tie she found. She only retired recently and no one else does it there now. Now it seems the general policy is to refuse to acknowledge it even exists.

My daughter had a tie which I could feel when she was feeding. I brought her to a gp in Glasthule for an assessment and he'd have snipped if necessary but he said it was very slight and it would loosen with time. She couldn't hold a modern soother in her mouth for about 6 months. I used to buy the old fashioned rubber ones. She never stuck her tongue past her lower lip and then I noticed one morning that she was also lip tied.

Thankfully the tongue tie loosened and all of a sudden she was sticking her tongue out. I showed my dentist photos of the lip tie and as she had two front teeth already he said it didn't seem to affect her teeth so it should be ok in the long run.

wmpdd3

my 30 month old had finally been diagnosed with a tongue tie.

I have been saying it since he was born, he couldn't feed etc.

I have an appointment with a doc in Clonmel in 2 months time, no idea how the doc is going to this as O is pretty terrified of docs this stage.

it was only when the slt person asked him to stick his tongue out that it was spotted. it seems to be another reason why he doesn't speak.

cyning

Is it Justin Roche you've been referred to? He seems to be the most experienced in the country from every thing I've read. I think over the age of one they need to do it under a general anaesthetic?

vibe666

We had our daughter done after 3 weeks of excruciating and very difficult breast feeding. It was very very mild when she was born, but got worse every day until she was snipped.

The difference was immediate and extraordinary and it's the only reason we were able to keep breast feeding, not just because of the immense pain (worse than giving birth), but due to how difficult it was for her to get a decent feed.

She cried longer and harder getting into her car seat on the day than she did during the procedure and was feeding perfectly literally one minute later.

Not a single regret, and we're utterly baffled how it seems to have turned into some kind of hush hush underground movement.

Jerrica

Tongue tie seems to be incredibly common. What kinds of things should you look for?

pwurple

Seems common enough, i know a few dentists around here who snip tongue and lip tie as well.

cyning

Jerrica wrote: »

Tongue tie seems to be incredibly common. What kinds of things should you look for?

Sore nipples! Seriously breastfeeding should not hurt. My little girl had a mild posterior tie but because she was my second I knew it wasn't right. With a posterior tie it has to be felt rather than seen. An anterior tie you can see the frenulum on the tongue is much longer than normal and baby might not be able to stick tongue out or might have a heart shaped tongue. You will also hear baby gulping in air because the latch is poor. It can cause problems with solids and speech for some children.

The problem with tongue tie is that it was considered not to cause problems for so long that they weren't recognised then. I think one dentist in Cork stopped taking referrals for tongue ties last year because they were taking over his whole business.

My little girl was checked by doc in hosp but I was told no tongue tie. Had it snipped in UHL then.

Suucee

My nieces baby has tongue tie. Its as plain as day you can see it when he cry's and his tongue is heart shaped. She doesn't breast feed though but should she still look in to getting it snipped. Does it affect their speech later on. he also cant seem to suck a soother very well. He's 8 weeks old.

January

Two of my children have tongue tie. With Ellen she has no problems, but Luke seems to have a lot of trouble feeding... I might ask PHN for a referral to see what the story is.

cyning

I'd err on the side of snipping myself: over the age of one I'm almost certain it's a general anaesthetic wheras before they don't so it's simpler. No harm to get it checked out.

How Strange

My husbands aunt was told by a consultant in Holles St in 80's that snipping tongue tie was barbaric and inflicted unnecessary pain on a baby as it doesn't affect anything. Her daughters tongue tie must not have been too bad as she breastfed her for 2 years.

Our neighbours daughter has very obvious tongue tie. She's 7 or 8 now but her pronunciation is affected as are her teeth.

vibe666

Every feed for the 3 weeks before the snip was excruciatingly painful and lasted at least two hours, sometimes more, so it was a never ending cycle of pain for my wife and frustrated feeding for our daughter.

Directly after the snip, the pain went from a solid 9 to a 6 and down to 40 minutes and within a couple of days they were 15-20 minutes each and down to a 3 on the pain scale.

She honestly made more noise when we put her in the car seat, NO need for anaesthetic, just a quick 5 second procedure and then straight on the boob and she's never looked back and she's the healthiest, tubbiest little thing you ever saw!

vibe666

http://m.independent.ie/life/health-wellbeing/the-ties-that-bind-when-your-baby-is-tonguetied-30419373.html

How Strange

Unfortunately we have the lowest breastfeeding rates in Europe so the general medical community don't see a need to snip at birth. I don't think tongue tie affects babies being fed from bottles as much as breastfed babies. Doing it when they're born us the quickest, cheapest for the health system and least painful for the baby. The coombe's policy is to deny it exists even if you go to see the lactation consultant with tie related feeding problems. Thankfully my daughters required no action but it was frustrating.

vibe666

How Strange wrote: »

Unfortunately we have the lowest breastfeeding rates in Europe.

I've also read that we manufacture most of the baby formula in Europe too, so I imagine the companies involved had something to do with that, along with the church at one time or another, to actively discourage breast feeding.

pwurple

The church is pro-breastfeeding. Both in the actual church and as a (albeit flawed) method of natural family planning.

Certainly there is a lot of formula manufactured here, but formula companies don't train midwives or doctors.

I would guess that it isn't routinely done because there is a general swing away from routinely doing things that involve cutting... like circumcision, episiotomy etc, unless there is a very clear need or a specific request for it.

That being said, CUMH checked both of my babies several times each for tongue and lip tie when I was there... When newest baby was born she was checked a few minutes after she was born by the midwife who delivered her. She also showed the student midwife how to check and what to look for, so then the student checked. Another two people checked her on the ward afterwards... I think a nursery nurse and another midwife? Then also the midwife discharging us and a doctor checked. I was having difficulty, but the problem is with my anatomy, rather than the baby. But I can't fault the number of checks. That was 6 times by various people for lip and tongue tie in the space of the short 24 hours I was there, so maybe it's a hospital thing?

Tombo2001

wmpdd3 wrote: »

my 30 month old had finally been diagnosed with a tongue tie.

I have been saying it since he was born, he couldn't feed etc.

I have an appointment with a doc in Clonmel in 2 months time, no idea how the doc is going to this as O is pretty terrified of docs this stage.

it was only when the slt person asked him to stick his tongue out that it was spotted. it seems to be another reason why he doesn't speak.

The doctor in Clonmel is really good, has a good manner with kids (in our experience).

Tombo2001

How Strange wrote: »

Best of luck

It baffles me why they stopped snipping it in the maternity hospitals. Apparently in the coombe one consultant used to visit the wards and check the tongues off all the newborns and snip any tongue tie she found. She only retired recently and no one else does it there now. Now it seems the general policy is to refuse to acknowledge it even exists.

My daughter had a tie which I could feel when she was feeding. I brought her to a gp in Glasthule for an assessment and he'd have snipped if necessary but he said it was very slight and it would loosen with time. She couldn't hold a modern soother in her mouth for about 6 months. I used to buy the old fashioned rubber ones. She never stuck her tongue past her lower lip and then I noticed one morning that she was also lip tied.

Thankfully the tongue tie loosened and all of a sudden she was sticking her tongue out. I showed my dentist photos of the lip tie and as she had two front teeth already he said it didn't seem to affect her teeth so it should be ok in the long run.

My understanding is that because it is not an ailment, or medical condition, per se, it is not treated by the regular maternity hospitals or by GPs, and not something thats on the 'checklist' that the public health nurses have.

The issue with tongue tie though is that it can obviously restrict feeding and place huge pressure on the mother if she is breast feeding. However my guess is that a lot of public health nurses would not think to check for it, even if the baby is not putting on sufficient weight.

vibe666

an article from 2011, but it seems pretty clear Ireland has a vested interest in baby formula: http://www.theguardian.com/business/ireland-business-blog-with-lisa-ocarroll/2011/jun/30/ireland-economic-recovery

Baby food is another top food export. Ireland is the No 1 exporter of baby formula in the world – did you know Aptamil comes from Ireland? One in seven children in the world drink products manufactured in Ireland by Danone, Pfizer and Abbott. And by the time Danone finishes off a €50m investment in county Cork, that figure should be one in five.

that 2nd bold part is even scarier when you take away the 40% of children worldwide that are EBF until at least 6 months.

when we had our son in 2011 in holles st. they were giving sma "feeding packs" with formula and pamphlets etc. to all the new mothers and then not long after, everyone was told that we shouldn't switch formula once a baby had started on one as it could upset their stomachs. one of the nurses told us that they get regular deliveries of these packs from sma and they were handed out to all the new mothers.

we were the only ones breast feeding the whole time we were there and there was almost no support other than a very rough foreign nurse trying to shove our sons face onto my wifes breast a few times. there was no lactation consultant available, but i don't know if that was just "not available" or "not there at all".

even when we got a consultant out to the house at the time, there was no mention of tongue tie or anything like that and after failing to get him to feed successfully from the breast, my wife expressed for a full 3 months so he could still get her breast milk via a bottle, which he seemed to have much less trouble with.

in december last year in the rotunda when our daughter was born there were posters on the wall about breast feeding and we thought things had improved, but although the enthusiasm was a lot better on the part of the nurses, they didn't seem to have had much training in the area other than the very basics and again, there was no lactation consultant available, although it was friday evening and we were gone by sunday afternoon so it could have been that, but women do have babies 7 days a week, not just weekdays 9-5.

we got a consultant out from the la leche league the day after we got home from the hospital and she diagnosed a very mild TT, but "nothing to worry about" ended up being a major issue by 3 weeks as it grew much thicker and more pronounced and we had to get it snipped then as my wife was in bits feeding.

incidentally, she had a look at our son who was two by that stage and confirmed the TT there as well, so if we had known about it, we could have saved ourselves a world of hurt with him getting very very sick all through the first two years of his life and we are almost certain a lot of it was down to switching from expressed BM to formula.

as for the church and breast feeding, you'll find that it goes along with the whole shaming of irish people and making them see themselves and their bodies as sinful and dirty.

in 1981 britain (who didn't have a great track record for breast feeding themselves) still had double the percentage of breast feeding mothers than ireland, and that wasn't for no reason.

there was a long period in this country where the church oversaw every aspect of irish life from birth to death and a new pope who is a lot more friendly to breastfeeding (and everything else) isn't going to be able to undo the damage done by the church over many decades in just a couple of years, even though he is making moves in the right direction, he still has a lot of opposition.

an interesting article about it here: http://www.ucd.ie/pages/97/rickard.html

cyning

The problem isn't people not checking is that they aren't properly checking or don't know how to... I was told more than once there was no tongue tie. Midwives, doctors, one phn. She did.

Tombo2001

cyning wrote: »

The problem isn't people not checking is that they aren't properly checking or don't know how to... I was told more than once there was no tongue tie. Midwives, doctors, one phn. She did.

I know its a wider point, but is there a thing with some medical people making their minds up on a diagnosis before they've even checked.

For example a Public Health Nurse just deciding that the breast feeding isnt working, and even if PHN sees the tongue tie they overlook it.

How Strange

There's an article in the parenting section of the Irish times today about tongue tie. On the online version anyway sandwiched between two articles on breastfeeding so you'd almost miss it. It's good to see it get mentioned and it makes reference to the wider implications of tongue tie beyond babies feeding.

CramCycle

Our son had a tongue tie that was missed by nearly everyone, the nurse showing me how to hold him while bathing noticed it and recommended the Dr. in Clonmel. Apparently alot of doctors won't touch it as their insurance does not cover it. There was another doctor/dentist near Maynooth who done it but his secretary told me they were no longer covered.

As soon as it was done, his latching improved dramatically (within 48 hours). He let one wail when it happened but was happy a second later. He was more annoyed with the doctor being near his mouth than the snip.

According to the doctor, it can affect speech and kissing in some people although not all. There is a small chance of it regrowing but the stats were showing that it was unlikely, can't remember the number now.

It was 150euro but health insurance refunded it. Glad we got it done, it made feeding alot easier and him alot happier in my opinion. I had never heard of anyone with it now every fifth parent seems to have a child with it.

cyning

I think theres a few reasons for the increase in diagnosis: firstly breastfeeding rates seem to be increasing. Secondly the rise in Facebook groups etc mean that if your having problems feeding etc other people will suggest you get checked by an IBCLC so it gets diagnosed. There is currently a board looking at getting tongue tie snipping to be done nationwide which is leading to increased awareness.

I'm in Kerry and travelled to limerick to get it done for free under my health insurance, there is a peadeatric dentist in tralee doing it but it was going to cost over €250.

pwurple

vibe666 wrote: »

as for the church and breast feeding, you'll find that it goes along with the whole shaming of irish people and making them see themselves and their bodies as sinful and dirty.

in 1981 britain (who didn't have a great track record for breast feeding themselves) still had double the percentage of breast feeding mothers than ireland, and that wasn't for no reason]

Sorry to further the random derailment, but this is just nonsense. Britian and protestantism has always had more of a victorian puritanical view of body shaming and sin than the catholics ever had. Catholicism is positively liberal in comparison. The church is, and has been pro-breastfeeding. A better comparison might be SPAIN or portugal, or many of the african countries, who are all staunchly catholic, but with much higher breastfeeding rates. This is just trying to shoehorn every problem in the universe onto the church, the usual mantra of the recently converted ex-catholic.

vibe666

pwurple wrote: »

Sorry to further the random derailment, but this is just nonsense. Britian and protestantism has always had more of a victorian puritanical view of body shaming and sin than the catholics ever had. Catholicism is positively liberal in comparison. The church is, and has been pro-breastfeeding. A better comparison might be SPAIN or portugal, or many of the african countries, who are all staunchly catholic, but with much higher breastfeeding rates. This is just trying to shoehorn every problem in the universe onto the church, the usual mantra of the recently converted ex-catholic.

You're just determined to show how little you know about anything and everything aren't you?

Still at least you are consistent. :rolleyes:

January

vibe666 wrote: »

You're just determined to show how little you know about anything and everything aren't you?

Still at least you are consistent. :rolleyes:

Attack the post, not the poster please.

wmpdd3

Vibe 666, I agree with you about the breastfeeding 'support' in hospitals, I really feel its a tick box exercise. I received help for the first 12 hours but as soon as my milk didn't come in and things got difficult that the only solution I was given was formula.

I had no idea that my son would have to have a general anesthetic. I really hope this can be done some other way, visually you can't see anything but he cant lick a lolly. Hopefully its a small procedure.

How Strange

wmpdd3 I think that's the real shame here. It's a very simple, virtually cost neutral exercise if consultants and midwives were trained to snip at birth but once they're 6 months it requires a general anesthetic, a hospital bed, an anesthetist (spelling?) and a host of other medical staff so calculate the cost of that on the health service. Not to mention the effects on the baby.

I think vibe666 is essentially right about the church being anti breastfeeding but it was the whole establishment of which the church was a large part. It most likely started when childbirth became medicalised and women stopped having babies at home with a midwife present. My oldest uncle now 67 was born at home and my dad, 65, was born in hospital.

For years women had to go through a cleansing ceremony 6 weeks after birth before they could go back to mass. The church in Ireland was so wholly repressed that they had all sort of books, plays, arts banned for the tiniest reference to sexuality. So I really can't see how they were ever pro breastfeeding. The only thing they were ever pro was women having as many kids as possible and not for any other reason than contraception was a sin and illegal.

If you breastfed you were poor. That's how society at large saw you and treated you. I asked my mother why she never fed in 70's or 90's (when my youngest siblings were born) and she said it was never even mebtioned. In 70's you were given tablets to dry your milk up as soon as the baby was born. My mother in law told me she asked a consultant and nuns and nurses when my husband was born in 1975 and she was told that it was too much messing around and too much hardship so don't even bother trying.

Sorry mods for the total derailment of the thread. I won't derail again but I think vibe666 is essentially correct in what he's saying but the church was only a part of the while system that actively discouraged and effectively wiped out breastfeeding in Ireland.

pwurple

The claim that the catholic church was anti-breastfeeding is against the evidence of every other catholic country in the world where breastfeeding rates are many multiples of ours. Catholicism does not conflate feeding with sex, although general sexual repression has have gotten all mixed up in people's heads with breast-feeding. It certainly still is for many people today. But it's a massive jump in logic to lay this at the door of christianity. There is no "Thou shalt use SMA" in the bible.

My mum breastfed us, her mum breastfed them, my greatgrandmother also breastfed. None of them were considered particularly poor or rich to my knowledge. the family were mainly teachers and clergy, so there would also have been huge catholic influence.

The other side of the family were farmers, and did not breastfeed. I believe the reason for this was indicitive of the hard hours involved in the rural aspect of much of irish life. My grandmother worked long hours on the farm, as the whole family did at the time, was expected to continue working up to the day she gave birth, and a couple of days later. She had the older children feed the new baby with bottles, or propped the baby up with a towel under a bottle. Formula was what she used to allow her to work as hard as she did.

I honestly don't think the religion of either family was a major influence on whether they breastfed, it was their different lifestyles. Formula was very convenient for farmers in particular, and had a huge uptake here.

lazygal

My mother breastfed all of us. Unfortunately not for very long as she says herself because of the lack of knowledge and ignorance about breastfeeding. She remembers her mother breastfeeding only one of her siblings, the rest were formula fed. Maybe the rural thing has something to do with it. My mother in law breastfed too, not in Ireland I might add, and heard a lot of the same myths my mother heard about hungry babies and needing to give formula as breastfeeding was too hard.

I found the support incredibly hit and miss and as soon as any problems presented formula was one of the first solutions offered. My husband had to be extremely firm, almost to the point of rudeness, when my first was born as he was put under a lot of pressure to offer a bottle when I was in recovery.

Second time however I found it totally different. I told the nursing staff I would be breastfeeding and I didn't want any formula given before the baby was born. Afterwards I let them weigh the baby to keep track of things but again told them I was breastfeeding and didn't want any negativity about weight loss or charts to interfere with me focusing on feeding. Things were far smoother and i'll probably feed longer than I did first time.

I also find a lot of PHN present what is their opinion as fact. I had one who never breastfed herself tell me I should only be feeding a certain time and topping up rather than cluster feeding.

Tombo2001

wmpdd3 wrote: »

Vibe 666, I agree with you about the breastfeeding 'support' in hospitals, I really feel its a tick box exercise. I received help for the first 12 hours but as soon as my milk didn't come in and things got difficult that the only solution I was given was formula.

I had no idea that my son would have to have a general anesthetic. I really hope this can be done some other way, visually you can't see anything but he cant lick a lolly. Hopefully its a small procedure.

Hospitals are measured on metrics.

Healthy baby = box ticked. Success in breastfeeding is not a box ticker (I understand what you are saying, that 'support' for breast feeding may be a box ticker, something much more easily 'ticked').

They should be upfront and say to parents in advance that they offer little by way of support for breast feeding, and not to expect anything.

The same applies to PHNs. If they are supportive re breast feeding, its really just down to the individual, but its not a box ticker for them.

Really, a lactation consultant is where its at if you want any proper support.

How Strange

Success at breastfeeding is a box ticker as these become the statistics that x% mothers were breastfeeding when discharged from hospital. Unfortunately the ticked box doesn't come anywhere close to representing the reality.

Also for lactation consultants, they're not all the same. Ibclc consultants are the ones you want or la Leche league/Cuidiu trained leaders. Ibclc are internationally accredited and the others have rigorous, ongoing training equivalent to ibclc. The hospital trained LCs can be fantastic or not but they are generally understaffed and overloaded. A lot of the hospital trained LCs provide a private consultancy service but the quality of service may not be as good as an ibclc LC. If I were advising a new mum who was going to engage an LC that's what I'd say.

January

Can we give the references to the church a rest please guys. It's off topic to the thread.

pwurple

Lactation consultants are all well and good, but in my experience they cover 9-5, monday to friday. Which is not much use if your baby is born on a friday of a bank holiday weekend. A couple of my friends floundered during that initial stage, , and had given up by the time a LC was available.

lazygal

Not to mention the cost of getting a private lactation consultant in. Not everyone has the money for a private consultant to come to their home and any I looked into were quite expensive.

How Strange

La Leche league and ciudiu leaders are 24/7, free and are trained to international accredited standards. LLL leaders (not sure about Cuidiu) are trained to recognise tongue tie. I'm not sure if they can make a referral.

wingnut

Interesting to hear about vibe666's experience at Holles St. (biting my tongue on the 'rough "foreign" nurse comment').

Our experience at the University Maternity Hospital Limerick (Limerick Maternity to most) was the opposite. The lactation consultants (parent craft as they call them) were very supportive and very patient. They also offer a weekly support class for parents so they can have follow up access to parentcraft without paying for private consult. They did point out the slight tongue tie which we subsequently got snipped.

vibe666

wingnut wrote: »

Interesting to hear about vibe666's experience at Holles St. (biting my tongue on the 'rough "foreign" nurse comment').

i was trying not to be specific so as not to make it seem like a racist comment, but in my considerable experience with (probably hundreds at this stage) nurses in Ireland, as not only the husband of a patient and the father of a patient but as a patient myself with repeated long stays in hospitals, whilst the overwhelming majority of nurses have always been amazing, i've found that certain nationalities have a tendency to be particularly rough compared to others.

having said that, i'm "foreign" too, so what were you biting your tongue about?

CramCycle

I know when Mount Carmel where around they were very pro looking for the tongue tie, they called in others to confirm and gave good advice on where to go if you wanted it snipped and what the potential pitfalls were if you didn't.

blondieali83

wmpdd3 wrote: »

my 30 month old had finally been diagnosed with a tongue tie.

I have been saying it since he was born, he couldn't feed etc.

I have an appointment with a doc in Clonmel in 2 months time, no idea how the doc is going to this as O is pretty terrified of docs this stage.

it was only when the slt person asked him to stick his tongue out that it was spotted. it seems to be another reason why he doesn't speak.

I am experiencing the exact problem. My 2yr 4m old still is only saying mama and Dada. I also had an awful time breast feeding in which I gave up after about 10 weeks. I brought her to my GP and PHN and they didn't even look in her mouth. I pay privately for speech therapy with no improvement. Only I mentioned it to another mother that it confirmed my suspicions. Do you get a referral from your GP or can you call directly? I assume a referral is the better way for an older child.

CramCycle

We were referred but not sure if you can just ring or not.

Do it quickly though. The doctor was saying the younger it is done the better. This is from memory but after a certain point it's an operation rather than a quick snip.

cyning

CramCycle wrote: »

We were referred but not sure if you can just ring or not.

Do it quickly though. The doctor was saying the younger it is done the better. This is from memory but after a certain point it's an operation rather than a quick snip.

I have the second post on this thread saying about my second daughter who had her tongue tie snipped. However my almost 4 year old has been diagnosed with one and we are waiting on SALT. If they decide that what's causing the muffled speech we will have to have her put out with a general anaesthetic because of her age to have it snipped. There's a big difference there.

The next thing is who to get referred to... We go to an ent in Limerick privately. There are still many who won't touch a tongue tie with a barge pole. In my experience you will need a referral.

tinkerbell

blondieali83 wrote: »

I am experiencing the exact problem. My 2yr 4m old still is only saying mama and Dada. I also had an awful time breast feeding in which I gave up after about 10 weeks. I brought her to my GP and PHN and they didn't even look in her mouth. I pay privately for speech therapy with no improvement. Only I mentioned it to another mother that it confirmed my suspicions. Do you get a referral from your GP or can you call directly? I assume a referral is the better way for an older child.

You can call a lactation consultant and they can diagnose the TT for you and refer you. You can find one here:

http://www.alcireland.ie/find-a-consultant/

GPs and PHNs tend not to have the training to diagnose a TT. Best to get an LC to look at it - they are very quick also with referrals since you're going privately.

CramCycle

cyning wrote: »

I have the second post on this thread saying about my second daughter who had her tongue tie snipped. However my almost 4 year old has been diagnosed with one and we are waiting on SALT. If they decide that what's causing the muffled speech we will have to have her put out with a general anaesthetic because of her age to have it snipped. There's a big difference there.

I knew I had heard it somewhere, could well have been here.

Can I ask what SALT is?

tinkerbell

CramCycle wrote: »

I knew I had heard it somewhere, could well have been here.

Can I ask what SALT is?

Speech and language therapy I think?

cyning

Ya sorry speech and language therapy. Waiting publicly as it's ridiculously expensive.

CramCycle

cyning wrote: »

Ya sorry speech and language therapy. Waiting publicly as it's ridiculously expensive.

Its crazy, a family member went for it years ago and had to wait, ended up taking alot longer because he didn't get what he needed in time and the family could not afford or realise what exactly was needed. Now it didn't effect him, done well, through college, good job, smarter than me but part of me does feel that 2 years earlier, would have made a huge difference to him as a child.

Its nothing short of disgraceful the lack of support in early childhood development.