Oil in Ford 5610 radiator

bogman_bass

I have oil going into the radiator and leaking out the overflow falve at the top.

How screwed am I?

Probably the head gasket is it?

Mad4simmental

bogman_bass wrote: »

I have oil going into the radiator and leaking out the overflow falve at the top.

How screwed am I?

Probably the head gasket is it?

Ya I would say so.

blue5000

What's in the sump? Could be porous:(

rangler1

blue5000 wrote: »

What's in the sump? Could be porous:(

I think the 10 series was prone to going porous, but I thought they'd all be replaced at this stage

sheebadog

bogman_bass wrote: »

I have oil going into the radiator and leaking out the overflow falve at the top.

How screwed am I?

Probably the head gasket is it?

Tin of rad weld in the rad, take out the thermostats and drive on!!

bogman_bass

It's more than a porous block. The oil is flying out

tomwaterford

could possibly be rad leak at end....as I think some ford 6610 (not sure of 5610) had an engine oil cooler in the rad

bogman_bass

Mechanic checked the rad. he said its either head gasket or cracked block.

I told him to hold on for the moment untill I weigh up my options.

Anybody want to hazard a guess at a price for that job?

Is it worth doing or should I cut my losses?

Mad4simmental

bogman_bass wrote: »

Mechanic checked the rad. he said its either head gasket or cracked block.

I told him to hold on for the moment untill I weigh up my options.

Anybody want to hazard a guess at a price for that job?

Is it worth doing or should I cut my losses?

Not sure. I suppose it's worth doing.Neville Stanley in Rathdowney Laois is good for Ford parts if you need to locate any.

td5man

bogman_bass wrote: »

It's more than a porous block. The oil is flying out

Saw an engine doing that once, turned out someone had put the head gasket on the wrong way round.

sandydan

bogman_bass wrote: »

Mechanic checked the rad. he said its either head gasket or cracked block.

I told him to hold on for the moment untill I weigh up my options.

Anybody want to hazard a guess at a price for that job?

Is it worth doing or should I cut my losses?

price a short block if tractor in good nick or price an engine from an exporter, all they usually need is a running engine for export,the oil cooler in rad would put oil flying out as well if fitted internally. disconnect oil pipes and join with piece of copper pipe temp to test,preferrabley remove thermostat and with engine hot take take hoses off rad and block bottom one and put rad or block weld into engine and fill with boiling water rather than into rad its supposed to work better than into rad if block problem. is there water in oil,usually grey if block problem, as even a weakened gasket will keep oil out for a while

bogman_bass

yeah water in oil and oil in water

sandydan

bogman_bass wrote: »

yeah water in oil and oil in water

ouch ,almost rules out gasket so and radweld,take off head to check gasket as running will destroy engine.,any fumes from breather,ie.will tell if rings and block worn,.
when mine went i exported tractor and was sorry after,should have tried Murphys engine overhauls in Langford Row in Cork, as far as i know they used to boil wash block and xray to ensure block was worth a rebore and Heavy sleeve and i have no doubt others do similar. some Ford dealerships ( in Ireland and UK )do engine reconditioning and sell, worth a try. be wary of dealers (not main dealers) who tell you they are importing and selling for another source, they more than likely have no warranty if things go pear shaped.

blue5000

sandydan wrote: »

ouch ,almost rules out gasket so and radweld,take off head to check gasket as running will destroy engine.,any fumes from breather,ie.will tell if rings and block worn,.
when mine went i exported tractor and was sorry after,should have tried Murphys engine overhauls in Langford Row in Cork, as far as i know they used to boil wash block and xray to ensure block was worth a rebore and Heavy sleeve and i have no doubt others do similar. some Ford dealerships ( in Ireland and UK )do engine reconditioning and sell, worth a try. be wary of dealers (not main dealers) who tell you they are importing and selling for another source, they more than likely have no warranty if things go pear shaped.

What sandydan says is an option. When you take the head off you will know more. There isn't a lot of metal between the cylinders, fitting a liner and pistons might be an option if the rest of the tractor is in good nick. What year is it? Does it have the softner in the water and extra water filter? I think they were standard on the series III

bogman_bass

Its 87 on the reg. Series II I think

blue5000

Haven't dealt with these myself, but might be worth getting a quote anyway
Roberts Engine Reconditioners Limited
Phone: 0539377478
Address: ENNISCORTHY, WEXFORD

sandydan

bogman_bass wrote: »

Its 87 on the reg. Series II I think[/QUOTE

is that the ribbed block, just as matter of interest what T series is the block,
mine was T3 stamped or moulded on right side of block (i think), some are suitable for sleeveing others are too thin

sandydan

heard that type block is not made any more,??? is this true ,that factory making them closed ,don't know whether to believe it or not
recommendation get engine out of 6610 if rebore not possible , will inquire further

sandydan

bogman_bass wrote: »

Mechanic checked the rad. he said its either head gasket or cracked block.

I told him to hold on for the moment untill I weigh up my options.

Anybody want to hazard a guess at a price for that job?

Is it worth doing or should I cut my losses?

have you been able to sort issue

bogman_bass

yeah. I traded it in for a CX90!

Its getting delivered today

blue5000

Well you may wear:pac:

sandydan

bogman_bass wrote: »

yeah. I traded it in for a CX90!

Its getting delivered today

best of luck;)

sandydan

just as matter of interest ,what stamp is on block is it T3 by any chance,
i had 6610 engine in 5000 that let water in No 3 bore it was T3.

bogman_bass

I couldn't tell you and he took the ford back with him

jay gatsby

Good luck with it bog man. Should be a nice step up for ya

onyerbikepat

How will reboring and fitting cylinder sleeves solve the oil leak problem?

sandydan

onyerbikepat wrote: »

How will reboring and fitting cylinder sleeves solve the oil leak problem?

depends on wall thickness and location of leak. some are not repairable.
existing bore is skimmed by fraction to take sleeve to to bring bore back to a standard, the upper lip is bored to a pre-set dept at wider setting ,the sleeve is usually coated with compound like loctite and pressed into place ,some engine overhaul companies leave top of sleeve fraction over block not really noticeable ,
these fractions are/were measured in thou last time i reconditioned two engines and i was sorry not to have reconditioned a 6610 engine fitted to ford 5000 the fella who bought it did

onyerbikepat

Right, that makes sense. My own tractor had sleeves fitted. I have a feeling this leak is more internal, deeper in the block.

sandydan

ouch, i had to replace sleeves in mf one time ,sleeve loosened so rebore was done, they rebored top of block to deeper and wider dept and pressed in sleeve and used locking compound , told me it was not used first time. considered skimming head and block as well but decided against it, ticking over with cement mixer for days caused problem.it was successful. murphys engine overhauls in langford row in cork did it, saw place last time i was allowed into city.:)
what make is your tractor and how is it acting up.

blue5000

sandydan wrote: »

depends on wall thickness and location of leak. some are not repairable.
existing bore is skimmed by fraction to take sleeve to to bring bore back to a standard, the upper lip is bored to a pre-set dept at wider setting ,the sleeve is usually coated with compound like loctite and pressed into place ,some engine overhaul companies leave top of sleeve fraction over block not really noticeable ,
these fractions are/were measured in thou last time i reconditioned two engines and i was sorry not to have reconditioned a 6610 engine fitted to ford 5000 the fella who bought it did

When this is done are slightly smaller pistons used? Also what roughly is it costing to re-condition these engines? Mine has ribbed block 6410 with rotary injection pump. Doesn't need to be done yet but you never know, it's in 25 years this summer;)

sandydan

blue5000 wrote: »

When this is done are slightly smaller pistons used? Also what roughly is it costing to re-condition these engines? Mine has ribbed block 6410 with rotary injection pump. Doesn't need to be done yet but you never know, it's in 25 years this summer;)

in my opinion it's blocks of a certain mould gave trouble,not too many ribbed gave trouble in blocks any i heard of were the crankshaft bearings ,and mechanic fitting was culprit.
unless it's giving trouble id let well enough alone. im not in position to say about ford but my understanding is pistons were standard the differnce is bore and sleeve size to compensate.same applied to bearings ie shaft was polished or ground to say -1, so shells used were std+1 to compensate .
prices vary according to overhaulers and i haven't had to do an engine with 15 years, as i said murphy's in cork did mine , think they x-rayd blocks to ensure were ok,definitely used to boilwash blocks, never heard of dud after them anyway.lot of fellas prefer to fit a new holland engine now.haven't fitted any though.seen 7810 on done deal(cork ) recently fitted with one.

sandydan

my info block bored heavy sleeved €500 pistons incl rings ,shells big end bearings ,gaskets oil pump ,around €2,300 in total ,head grind valves etc extra.but

think that price can be beaten ,including valves, etc in head by a few hundred

onyerbikepat

You can have a skim taken off the bores of the block and slighty bigger OD pistons fitted. At least thats what was done with my David Brown.

sandydan

onyerbikepat wrote: »

You can have a skim taken off the bores of the block and slighty bigger OD pistons fitted. At least thats what was done with my David Brown.

does head have to skimmed as well when doing that. dont know if room for that in ford blocks ,

6410 i think is heavier.at least i don't remember being told about too many issues versus 6610 blocks
btw price i got is not from Murphys. hadn't phone number, they pressure test either head or block to eliminate working cracked blocks or heads

onyerbikepat

sandydan wrote: »

does head have to skimmed as well when doing that. dont know if room for that in ford blocks ,.....

Don't know. I had the head skimmed a few months before this in my case anyway. Push rod had popped out in very cold weather.

sandydan

onyerbikepat wrote: »

You can have a skim taken off the bores of the block and slighty bigger OD pistons fitted. At least thats what was done with my David Brown.

which model was that one had you to get replacement block new or s/hand

OD pistons . whats the difference in them