Geting rid or an unwanted dog.

Dublin Red Devil

My neighbor has had a Border Collie for 4 years and recently the dog has become more wild and aggressive. He is considering just driving out to a woodland or bog, just leaving the dog and driving off, effectively abandoning the dog.

Its not the dogs fault, The owner just doesn't have anytime for a energetic breed like a border collie who was bound to become board and frustrate being tied up all day.

I was wondering if anyone had some helpful advice that I can give the owner and maybe better ways or getting rid of the unwanted pet?

Rossi IRL

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aonb

If this neighbour is prepared to DUMP a dog, there is probably no point in offering him advice, but just in case you can prevent this cruelty happening
you could suggest at the very least that he bring the dog to the vet and have it
put to sleep. FAR kinder than dumping the poor animal with no food and having to fend for itself.

If he is not prepared to do that, then he should at the very least call the local
pound or warden and see what the possibilities are.

Really, the absolutely cruellest thing he can do is dump the dog - the dog will be terrified and its horrible to think what will happen to him...
:mad:

Dublin Red Devil

Rossi IRL wrote: »

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That would be illegal.:rolleyes:

Dublin Red Devil

aonb wrote: »

If this neighbour is prepared to DUMP a dog, there is probably no point in offering him advice, but just in case you can prevent this cruelty happening
you could suggest at the very least that he bring the dog to the vet and have it
put to sleep. FAR kinder than dumping the poor animal with no food and having to fend for itself.

If he is not prepared to do that, then he should at the very least call the local
pound or warden and see what the possibilities are.

Really, the absolutely cruellest thing he can do is dump the dog - the dog will be terrified and its horrible to think what will happen to him...
:mad:

You see he thinks it's the best way to just be rid of it without any care, cost or effort.

Honnestly I wouldn't mind if he got rid of the dog. The dog barks at night, chances my car and barks at night, again thats not the dogs fault, Its the owners for not giving it any exercise . But I don't think abandonment is the way to do it.

Tranceypoo

Dublin Red Devil wrote: »

You see he thinks it's the best way to just be rid of it without any care, cost or effort.

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The best way for him. He sounds like.....words I can't say otherwise I shall be banned....

I agree with anonb's advice and please, whatever he decides, try and discourage him from ever ever getting another dog

Oh and there's another thread on here about a person and his/her friend who tried to help 2 dogs who were dumped, the dogs escaped and now they're in the sh!!t with a farmer as the dogs killed sheep and the person and his/her friend have to pay the farmer, the people who originally dumped the dog cannot be traced so get off absolutely scott free, having caused a great deal of distress and expense for other people, please tell your neighbour that.

dave1982

First off the title of the thread will likely annoy people.

Posting here suggests you have compassion for the dog which is good.

If the owner is not willing to bring dog to a pound can you not bring him and say the dog has been a stray in your area for a few days?

Or better again contact a few rescues ask them will they take the dog in, explain to them the fate that awaits the dog where he is currently.

RedCatt

Thats a cruel and illegal (at least in Norwy it is) way of getting rid of a very kind breed. I had to put down my border collie back in january because of illness and it was on of the saddest days in my life. Surley there are some kind of animal shelter, or he could announce online maybe? I have no sympathy for people doing this and if he does I hope he gets to pay for it, horrible man.

Dublin Red Devil

dave1982 wrote: »

First off the title of the thread will likely annoy people.

Posting here suggests you have compassion for the dog which is good.

If the owner is not willing to bring dog to a pound can you not bring him and say the dog has been a stray in your area for a few days?

Or better again contact a few rescues ask them will they take the dog in, explain to them the fate that awaits the dog where he is currently.

So you're saying I should offer to bring the dog to a pound or something myself? I guess I could do that. Where could i go in the Dublin area that would take it off me, no questions asked. I don't want to be interegated or charged by some official.

anniehoo

The only pound in Dublin is Ashton Dog Pound which serves all Dublin councils.

You will pay a "surrender" fee though and will have to sign over all guardianship to the dog when there. More than likely the dog will be put to sleep within 24hours or less if the pound is full and/or they deem the dog aggressive.

Would you be willing to contact any of the rescues locally and try and rehome him or give him a chance to be rehabilitated?

ButtersSuki

Dublin Red Devil wrote: »

So you're saying I should offer to bring the dog to a pound or something myself? I guess I could do that. Where could i go in the Dublin area that would take it off me, no questions asked. I don't want to be interegated or charged by some official.

DRD,

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Please do not let your neighbour abandon the dog - that is incredibly stressful for the dog and unnecessarily cruel.

anniehoo

ButtersSuki, please read the forum Charter. There is no naming or discussion of individual rescues or charities unless linked to the "umbrella" list.

I will PM you your reply which you can send to the OP via PM.

Thanks

Whispered

anniehoo wrote: »

The only pound in Dublin is Ashton Dog Pound which serves all Dublin councils.

You will pay a "surrender" fee though and will have to sign over all guardianship to the dog when there. More than likely the dog will be put to sleep within 24hours or less if the pound is full and/or they deem the dog aggressive.

Would you be willing to contact any of the rescues locally and try and rehome him or give him a chance to be rehabilitated?

If the op dropped the dog off as a stray would the fee still be applicable?

anniehoo

Whispered wrote: »

If the op dropped the dog off as a stray would the fee still be applicable?

No I don't think so. If the dog is "chipped" it will be traced back to the owner though and a reclaim fee required. But this isn't likely to happen in this case.

Edit: To add to this it also depends what catchment area of Dublin he was supposedly found "straying". Ashton pick and choose what they profile but the only catchment area that is semi transparent is South Dublin as their warden pics go on their County Council page. No other CC do this.

The very last place I would be going is Ashton until they get their website in order and start properly working with rescues.

RedCatt

Is it illegal to dump animals in Britain? If so I'd threaten to call the police.

Dublin Red Devil

Update on the story.. I spoke to the owner last evening. Started the conversation about the weather, then the world cup. As soon as i mentioned the dog, I was met with a pretty angry responce and told to mind my own f***ing business.

Also I didn't see the dog this morning or hear it barking as i drove off. Which usually happens. So I suspect the deed may have been done last night. Won't know for sure untill i get home this evening

DBB

Why do you think he was so angry op? Seems odd.

aonb

He was probably feeling threatened because the OP was inquiring about the dog that the neighbour was going to CRUELLY dump in the middle of nowhere
:mad: He was probably sorry he had mentioned that this was the despicable solution to his 'problem' with the dog :mad: I make no apologies for saying that this obnoxious person would be rude/angry to the OP because he knew it was such a sleazebag/revolting/cruel/rotten thing to do. I wish bad things on him, if he has dumped the poor dog :mad:

Magenta

RedCatt wrote: »

Is it illegal to dump animals in Britain? If so I'd threaten to call the police.

The Republic of Ireland is not in Britain.

Dublin Red Devil

DBB wrote: »

Why do you think he was so angry op? Seems odd.

I guess he was maybe feeling guilty about doing it. Maybe its an issue at home, Mayed he feels I was crossing a line

brightspark

Magenta wrote: »

The Republic of Ireland is not in Britain.

It's illegal here too

Animal Health and Welfare Act 2013

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2013/en/act/pub/0015/sec0012.html#sec12

12.—(1) A person shall not—

(a) do, or fail to do, anything or cause or permit anything to be done to an animal that causes unnecessary suffering to, or endanger the health or welfare of, an animal, or

(b) neglect, or be reckless, regarding the health or welfare of an animal.

(2) A person who contravenes this section commits an offence.

(3) Where a person has been convicted of an offence under this section, the court may, in addition to any penalty it imposes, order the person to make such contribution, as it considers appropriate, towards veterinary or other expenses incurred in respect of the animal or its upkeep.

That would seem to cover abandoning an animal.

geeky

Dublin Red Devil wrote: »

Update on the story.. I spoke to the owner last evening. Started the conversation about the weather, then the world cup. As soon as i mentioned the dog, I was met with a pretty angry responce and told to mind my own f***ing business.

Also I didn't see the dog this morning or hear it barking as i drove off. Which usually happens. So I suspect the deed may have been done last night. Won't know for sure untill i get home this evening

Sorry to hear OP, because it seems like you have compassion for this dog and made an honest effort to help. Short of calling the authorities on him, I can't see what else you could have done. At least this thread can inform people in a similar situation.

Dublin Red Devil

geeky wrote: »

Sorry to hear OP, because it seems like you have compassion for this dog and made an honest effort to help. Short of calling the authorities on him, I can't see what else you could have done. At least this thread can inform people in a similar situation.

And I won't be calling the authorities. At the end of the day I have to live beside this person who besides this issue is a decent neighbour who family I get along with

coathanger

Dublin Red Devil wrote: »

Update on the story.. I spoke to the owner last evening. Started the conversation about the weather, then the world cup. As soon as i mentioned the dog, I was met with a pretty angry responce and told to mind my own f***ing business.

Also I didn't see the dog this morning or hear it barking as i drove off. Which usually happens. So I suspect the deed may have been done last night. Won't know for sure untill i get home this evening

Any update on the poor dog?Some people shouldn't have dogs,if they have no intention of caring fully for the dog,its not enough to give a dog ,food & water ,they are a pack animal, & need both mental & physical stimulation & exercise.I know u tried your best......but your neighbour is an ***hole,too lazy,or to afraid to try & get the dog rehomed in case too many questions were asked of him...I could go on & on,but his type make me sick:mad:

percy212

Your neighbour is a heartless muck savage. And a ****ing prick. I would love to tie him to a tree overnight.

mosi

brightspark wrote: »

It's illegal here too

Animal Health and Welfare Act 2013

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2013/en/act/pub/0015/sec0012.html#sec12

12.—(1) A person shall not—

(a) do, or fail to do, anything or cause or permit anything to be done to an animal that causes unnecessary suffering to, or endanger the health or welfare of, an animal, or

(b) neglect, or be reckless, regarding the health or welfare of an animal.

(2) A person who contravenes this section commits an offence.

(3) Where a person has been convicted of an offence under this section, the court may, in addition to any penalty it imposes, order the person to make such contribution, as it considers appropriate, towards veterinary or other expenses incurred in respect of the animal or its upkeep.

That would seem to cover abandoning an animal.

The Act also identifies abandonment as a specific offence.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2013/en/act/pub/0015/sec0014.html#sec14

Dublin Red Devil wrote: »

And I won't be calling the authorities. At the end of the day I have to live beside this person who besides this issue is a decent neighbour who family I get along with

I understand how it can be difficult reporting someone who lives near you, and even more so if they live right next door.
What it seems your neighbour has done is both morally reprehensible and criminal. Abandoning a dog like he was talking about is just about the lowest of the low...he needs to face the consequences.
I wouldn't consider that sort of person to be a decent neighbour, and I wouldn't want anything to do with them or their family after this.

DBB

Sigh.
Folks, I understand that the dog's owner is coming across as less than savoury.
However, this does not mean that the forum charter can be ignored, so please stop calling him rude names, and stop inciting violence against him.
This sort of behaviour normally warrants a ban. Please do not force us to do so.
Do not reply to this post on thread.
Thanks,
DBB

Dublin Red Devil

coathanger wrote: »

Any update on the poor dog?Some people shouldn't have dogs,if they have no intention of caring fully for the dog,its not enough to give a dog ,food & water ,they are a pack animal, & need both mental & physical stimulation & exercise.I know u tried your best......but your neighbour is an ***hole,too lazy,or to afraid to try & get the dog rehomed in case too many questions were asked of him...I could go on & on,but his type make me sick:mad:

No sign the dog this evening either, almost certain it's gone.

janmaree

This is one of the saddest things I have heard in a long time and as long as I live, I will never understand the mentality of people who will do such a cold-blooded thing to an animal........no matter how "annoying" the animal has become. The only thing that I would take comfort from is the fact that over many years, most of our most devoted and loving pets arrived on our doorstep after being dumped on our road. We're on a dark and unlit road not far out of town, perfect for those choosing the easy option for themselves. I hope, really hope that this poor creature crosses paths with someone who cares enough to give him a chance. Anyone believe in the power of positive thinking?

maggiepip

Dublin Red Devil wrote: »

And I won't be calling the authorities. At the end of the day I have to live beside this person who besides this issue is a decent neighbour who family I get along with

How you can describe someone like this as "decent besides this issue" is beyond me. He is what he has done. God knows what suffering this dog is going through right now. Fear, hunger, thirst, possible injury and pain, possible slow agonizing death. I hope to god this dog is found by someone who will help him, and I also hope to god that wherever he dumped the dog he didnt tie him to a tree or similar with no chance of being found. What your neighbour did is despicable.

bryaner

Dublin Red Devil wrote: »

And I won't be calling the authorities. At the end of the day I have to live beside this person who besides this issue is a decent neighbour who family I get along with

Yea he sounds like a decent neighbour, I can only imagine what the bad ones are like!

Irl2dxb

Joined the forum as Iam disgusted to see this kind of behaviour! Had I been in ireland I would of offered to foster the dog until a solution was reached. That is one neighbour I wouldn't be friendly with had he even suggested such a sickening solution to getting rid of a dog. I hear story's like this with grey hound breeders and how they drown them truly disgusting things all for money. No one should get a dog without understanding the responsibilities.

wildlifeboy

lets all be honest here. the dog is not tied to a tree or abandoned 20 miles away its in a shallow grave on your mans plot or in a secluded area not to far away. probably a swift death with a broken neck or some such. i dont think the guy wants the chance of the dog coming back to him.

Irl2dxb

wildlifeboy wrote: »

lets all be honest here. the dog is not tied to a tree or abandoned 20 miles away its in a shallow grave on your mans plot or in a secluded area not to far away. probably a swift death with a broken neck or some such. i dont think the guy wants the chance of the dog coming back to him.

Probably ? And what if it's not? Your hopeful wishing doesn't sound like a much better scenario to me. A boarder collies neck is probably pretty hard to break unless he's had past experience... (Wouldn't be surprised) op please let us know what happened to the dog ! Keep asking your man. And if he still has it try and find it a home for now!

Tranceypoo

Do you really think this guy is a 'decent' neighbour 'apart from this'? Really? That almost makes you as bad as him.

Is there any way you would have a clue as to where he dumped the dog and go and try and find it, bring it to a vets, try and get it some help being rehomed or at the very least 'humanely euthanised'.

This is one of the most disgusting things I've read to be honest, I mean I know people do this sort of thing but if I had any inkling one of my neighbours was about to do it, ie they'd discussed it with me, I would just take the dog off them, I couldn't be complicit in a situation like this, I can't stop thinking about this dog being dumped and probably the slow miserable death he faces, that's unless someone finds him and uses him for a bait dog, let's be frank the possibilities are endless. Vile vile vile excuse for a human.

Bonedigger

Tranceypoo wrote: »

Do you really think this guy is a 'decent' neighbour 'apart from this'? Really? That almost makes you as bad as him.

Is there any way you would have a clue as to where he dumped the dog and go and try and find it, bring it to a vets, try and get it some help being rehomed or at the very least 'humanely euthanised'.

This is one of the most disgusting things I've read to be honest, I mean I know people do this sort of thing but if I had any inkling one of my neighbours was about to do it, ie they'd discussed it with me, I would just take the dog off them, I couldn't be complicit in a situation like this, I can't stop thinking about this dog being dumped and probably the slow miserable death he faces, that's unless someone finds him and uses him for a bait dog, let's be frank the possibilities are endless. Vile vile vile excuse for a human.

I think that's an unfair comment.The OP clearly had his concerns for the dog.

wildlifeboy

thats why i rarely post in here, the militant responses from some people are ridiculous. the guy justs wants an easy life. his neighbour might be a dick head but

Dublin Red Devil

The dog appears to be gone, Probably abandoned in the Wicklow mountains area or in a remote part of north county Dublin would be my best guess. I seriously doubt he would kill the dog, Most likely just left it on the roadside and drove off quickly without a care in the world. I don't like it either but that's the situation. I hope someone out there finds the dog and looks after it. I guess that's pretty much the end of the story

DBB

I have to say op, threads come up here from time to time where a horrible predicament is outlined, it upsets everyone, the person who started the thread really isn't in a position to help, or worse, doesn't accept any of the offers made by concerned people here due to not being bothered, or not wanting to rock the boat, and it all leads me to wonder.... Why post threads like this at all? What did you think it would achieve?
All it has done, and all it was ever going to do, in the absence of any "real life" action, was anger and upset people.
Your neighbour is the blight that has people involved in rescue worn out, but nevertheless there was help there for this dog, and I know you were offered help that you could bring to your neighbour so that his dog could be spared a cruel and unkind fate.
Now, nobody can do anything to help. The dog is strayed somewhere, the dog is going to suffer, your neighbour has broken the law, there's every chance the dog could cause damage to some innocent farmer's livestock if he's been dumped in a rural area, and there is nothing anybody here can do, other than feel utter frustration and anger at what appears to be an utter lack of action, a lack of acceptance of the help offered here, and pure ignorance and cruelty on the head of your "good neighbour".
I just don't understand what you thought you'd achieve here, unless you thought somebody could wave a magic wand to fix it without anyone else having to lift a finger.

Flippyfloppy

Dublin Red Devil wrote: »

The dog appears to be gone, Probably abandoned in the Wicklow mountains area or in a remote part of north county Dublin would be my best guess. I seriously doubt he would kill the dog, Most likely just left it on the roadside and drove off quickly without a care in the world. I don't like it either but that's the situation. I hope someone out there finds the dog and looks after it. I guess that's pretty much the end of the story

Wicklow or North County Dublin? Polar opposites really aren't they? You should go to your neighbour tell him you found a family for the dog and see if he gives away what he did/ where he put the dog.

Pretzill

Well said DBB. This thread has upset me not because I'm militant just because I'm a dog owner of border collies and a dog lover. The thought of that abandoned dog alone in the mountains saddens me terribly - the only thing that gives me hope is this dog might feel some freedom from where they were rared and that someone will find him and give him the good home he deserves - I know it's a slim chance.

Yeah OP's like this acheive little except further point out that some dogs have it damn hard and some people shouldn't be allowed keep pets.

percy212

Spot on DBB. I was angry after reading the thread and responded in that frame of mind....

I have to wonder too about the goal of the poster. The post has a whiff of troll about it....

Toulouse

Dead on DBB, I just logged in to post the exact same thing.

Totally and utterly pointless post by the OP which served to do nothing except upset us all. Disgusted by the lack of gumption displayed.

Enjoy your peaceful life.

gimmick

Sometimes people like to get things off their chest. Maybe a forum like this felt like the best place to do it. No one likes hearing about this sort of thing, but alas it happens.

Dublin Red Devil wrote:

And I won't be calling the authorities. At the end of the day I have to live beside this person who besides this issue is a decent neighbour who family I get along with

He isn't a decent person. His actions toward his dog showed that he is not a decent person.

Bonedigger

Am I the only who thinks the OP is being given a rough ride here?
It seems he/she has become the patsy or scapegoat for the rest to vent their spleen upon!
Yes,I think the OP could have been a bit more pro-active in this situation,but the real culprit here is the next door neighbour surely?The OP may have come looking for advice in desperation and before they could act appropriately the dirty deed had been done.The neighbour,to paraphrase,told the OP to "mind your own f***king business."This obviously isn't a person one can reason with!
I'm a dog and cat owner myself and love them to bits,and I will never truly understand how and why some despicable people treat animals in such ways.

ShaShaBear

There's a huge difference between posting to get something off your chest, and letting the whole community of Boards know that you are aware of animal abuse and the law being broken and are blatantly refusing to do anything about it, as well as acknowledging that you consider your friendship with such a person above and beyond importance compared to the life of a defenceless animal, and the potential lives of the livestock that poor dog might kill while starving, or the human lives it might critically endanger by running around senselessly on the roads trying to find shelter, food, or its way home.

Honestly the only thing I can think the OP was hoping to achieve was chaos.

wildlifeboy

ShaShaBear wrote: »

There's a huge difference between posting to get something off your chest, and letting the whole community of Boards know that you are aware of animal abuse and the law being broken and are blatantly refusing to do anything about it, as well as acknowledging that you consider your friendship with such a person above and beyond importance compared to the life of a defenceless animal, and the potential lives of the livestock that poor dog might kill while starving, or the human lives it might critically endanger by running around senselessly on the roads trying to find shelter, food, or its way home.

Honestly the only thing I can think the OP was hoping to achieve was chaos.

Oh jesus christ. That seals it for me. This forum is full of asshole s.

anniehoo

wildlifeboy wrote: »

Oh jesus christ. That seals it for me. This forum is full of asshole s.

Permanent ban for you so. We will not tolerate abuse or comments like that against our forum members who are justifiably upset.

Thread is also closed as there is nothing more to be achieved from it bar arguments.

Anniehoo

DBB

wildlifeboy wrote: »

Oh jesus christ. That seals it for me. This forum is full of asshole s.

In which case, for ignoring my previous warning on thread, and for being uncivil towards other users of a forum, you won't be too upset to take a holiday from the forum.
Thanks,
DBB

Edited to add: beaten to it! But let it be known that people cannot waltz into a forum they ever use, and dish out abuse. It will not be tolerated.