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Scholes was better than Xavi and Pirlo

  • 20-06-2014 5:40pm
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,097 ✭✭✭


    Some will disagree but the stats don't lie

    1. Scored twice as many goals as both
    2. three times the assists of both
    3. More trophies than both

    So agree or disagree?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,880 ✭✭✭✭dahat


    Could you fit all three on fantasy 11 though???


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,205 ✭✭✭Gringo180


    Totally agree. Scholes the best midfielder England have ever produced.


  • Site Banned Posts: 26,456 ✭✭✭✭Nuri Sahin


    - - - - - - - - Scholes - - - - - - - -

    Scholes - Scholes - Scholes - Scholes

    - - - - - - Scholes - Scholes - - - - -

    Scholes - - - - Scholes - - - - Scholes

    - - - - - - - -Glen Johnson - - - - - - -

    Pirlo and Xaxi on the bench with more Scholes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,762 ✭✭✭bmcc10


    Scholes would be appreciated far more by fans if he was Spanish or Italian.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,270 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    Some will disagree but the stats don't lie

    1. Scored twice as many goals as both
    2. three times the assists of both
    3. More trophies than both

    So agree or disagree?

    He's easily better than Pirlo, that's not even a contest, in my opinion.

    Xavi is a different matter.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,602 ✭✭✭✭Liam O


    Scholes played a very different role to the other 2 early in his career based more around dynamic attacking.

    I'm going to sit on the fence on this one and say they are the best in their positions in English, Italian and Spanish football in my lifetime


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Giggs beats them both on those stats too not sure on assists) . Jesus the lads are slipping down the list ........


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,398 ✭✭✭✭Turtyturd


    Nuri Sahin wrote: »
    - - - - - - - - Scholes - - - - - - - -

    Scholes - Scholes - Scholes - Scholes

    - - - - - - Scholes - Scholes - - - - -

    Scholes - - - - Scholes - - - - Scholes

    - - - - - - - -Glen Johnson - - - - - - -

    Pirlo and Xaxi on the bench with more Scholes.

    Wouldn't have Johnson on current form...only the 2nd best forward at the World Cup.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,000 ✭✭✭IrishIrish


    Some will disagree but the stats don't lie

    1. Scored twice as many goals as both
    2. three times the assists of both
    3. More trophies than both

    So agree or disagree?

    Where are you getting the stats from?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 262 ✭✭Ryu Hayabusa


    Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard are more complete players than Paul Scholes


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,959 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    Pirlo maybe, Xavi no way, Xavi at his peak was at a different level to anything I've seen in his position. Revolutionised a style of football.

    Oh Jesus I sound like andersonisgod


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,846 ✭✭✭Moneymaker


    Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard are more complete players than Paul Scholes

    Rubbish.

    The likes of Zidane say Scholes was his toughest opponent.

    Xavi looked up to Scholes.

    Says it all.


  • Site Banned Posts: 26,456 ✭✭✭✭Nuri Sahin


    IrishIrish wrote: »
    Where are you getting the stats from?


    Football Manager.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,762 ✭✭✭bmcc10


    Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard are more complete players than Paul Scholes

    Hope your joking.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,205 ✭✭✭Gringo180


    Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard are more complete players than Paul Scholes

    Give over Scholes is on a different planet to Gerrard. Most over rated midfielder in the last 10 years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,107 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard are more complete players than Paul Scholes

    Love it. They will explode reading this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,086 ✭✭✭duffman13


    Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard are more complete players than Paul Scholes

    Really? More complete how exactly?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,262 ✭✭✭✭GavRedKing


    Lampard has more goals and assists, less trophies.

    Therefore lampard is 66% better than scholes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,116 ✭✭✭Professional Griefer


    Gerrards surely better than him, loves messing up in the big games.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 41 Lemonandice20


    Scholes was an excellent player, but I felt he was far too predictable and lacked the intelligence of Pirlo and Xavi. Pirlo in 2004 was class, Xavi in 2009 was class. His finishing ability however could be argued imo to bring him above Pirlo, but never Xavi.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,366 ✭✭✭✭Kylo Ren


    Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard are more complete players than Paul Scholes

    Michael-Scott-Closes-The-Door-Awkwardly-On-The-Office.gif


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,097 ✭✭✭shadowcomplex


    Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard are more complete players than Paul Scholes

    ****e talk of the highest order


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    He's better than Pirlo today that's for sure.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    Pirlo > Sholes > Xavi, in that order.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,107 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    If he wasn't ginger he would be more appreciated around the world.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,136 ✭✭✭✭Rayne Wooney


    Best midfielder of his generation

    When you look at the list of top top players who agree with that statement you realise there is a lot of truth in it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,107 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Best midfielder of his generation

    When you look at the list of top top players who agree with that statement you realise there is a lot of truth in it

    What list.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,262 ✭✭✭✭GavRedKing


    Best midfielder of his generation

    When you look at the list of top top players who agree with that statement you realise there is a lot of truth in it

    What about the list of top top top players?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 41 Lemonandice20


    Gerrards surely better than him, loves messing up in the big games.

    If you look at the stats Liverpool had a much better winning percentage without Gerrard in the team over the years. I can see why that's the case, he lacks intelligence and plays on emotion . He runs around disrupting the whole team dynamic.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,107 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    If you look at the stats Liverpool had a much better winning percentage without Gerrard in the team over the years. I can see why that's the case, he lacks intelligence and plays on emotion . He runs around disrupting the whole team dynamic.

    Ya he is ****e.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,419 ✭✭✭Fescue


    Some of you may remember my own dedication to the greatest of all time.



    e6zx5e.jpg

    Scholes, in the nip,with a dog.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,097 ✭✭✭shadowcomplex


    Those that compare Lampard and Gerrard to Scholes don't have a clue about football , lampard and gerrard were both worldclass players but their best position was in behind a striker, they both have never had the intelligence to dictate play from deep in the way a scholes, a xavi, a pirlo and xabi Alonso do, they were both high energy goal scoring midfielders, its part of the reason England failed when these guys were in their prime, lampard and gerrard were played deep when only one of them should played behind the striker, scholes was at one stage played on the wing, all because of clueless fcuking management and coaching


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Roquentin


    Nuri Sahin wrote: »
    - - - - - - - - Scholes - - - - - - - -

    Scholes - Scholes - Scholes - Scholes

    - - - - - - Scholes - Scholes - - - - -

    Scholes - - - - Scholes - - - - Scholes

    - - - - - - - -Glen Johnson - - - - - - -

    Pirlo and Xaxi on the bench with more Scholes.

    Where is heskey?:pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 262 ✭✭Ryu Hayabusa


    Some will disagree but the stats don't lie

    1. Scored twice as many goals as both
    2. three times the assists of both
    3. More trophies than both

    So agree or disagree?
    ****e talk of the highest order

    As you probably have as much understanding of football as a typical Man Utd bandwagon supporter and use goals, assists etc as a bar in rating players, I will use Steven Gerrard to illustrate my point

    Steven Gerrard has scored more goals in less games than Paul Scholes
    Steven Gerrard can actually tackle
    Steven Gerrard is a leader not a follower like Paul Scholes
    Steven Gerrard can head the ball
    Steven Gerrard scored more penalties
    Steven Gerrard scored more frees
    Steven Gerrard is more athletic than Paul Scholes
    Steven Gerrard has a higher % of through ball assists than Paul Scholes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,136 ✭✭✭✭Rayne Wooney


    GavRedKing wrote: »
    What about the list of top top top players?

    I'll have to wait for Fergie's next book before I can confirm that one Gav


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,349 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    As you probably have as much understanding of football as a typical Man Utd bandwagon supporter and use goals, assists etc as a bar in rating players, I will use Steven Gerrard to illustrate my point

    Steven Gerrard has scored more goals in less games than Paul Scholes
    Steven Gerrard can actually tackle
    Steven Gerrard is a leader not a follower like Paul Scholes
    Steven Gerrard can head the ball
    Steven Gerrard scored more penalties
    Steven Gerrard scored more frees
    Steven Gerrard is more athletic than Paul Scholes
    Steven Gerrard has a higher % of through ball assists than Paul Scholes

    Steven Gerrard has a soul


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Roquentin


    If you look at the stats Liverpool had a much better winning percentage without Gerrard in the team over the years. I can see why that's the case, he lacks intelligence and plays on emotion . He runs around disrupting the whole team dynamic.

    Gerrard has to be fired up to produce. Scholes in second gear could do something magical if given an opportunity.

    Gerrard was shown up again last night. He CANNOTcontrol, dictate or pass. he is an average to good MF


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Roquentin


    As you probably have as much understanding of football as a typical Man Utd bandwagon supporter and use goals, assists etc as a bar in rating players, I will use Steven Gerrard to illustrate my point

    Steven Gerrard has scored more goals in less games than Paul Scholes
    Steven Gerrard can actually tackle
    Steven Gerrard is a leader not a follower like Paul Scholes
    Steven Gerrard can head the ball
    Steven Gerrard scored more penalties
    Steven Gerrard scored more frees
    Steven Gerrard is more athletic than Paul Scholes
    Steven Gerrard has a higher % of through ball assists than Paul Scholes

    Gerrard is not even better than xavi or pirlo, let alone scholes.

    They are two different MFs to be honest. Gerrard played with a high tempo and got stuck in and ebbed on his teamates. Scholes was smart with the ball and had vision that was incredible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Xavi was inspired by Scholes. Loved him but Xavi is by far the best of the 3. No question. Xavi controlled games in their entirety.

    Scholes is way better than Gerrard or Lampard. Though, technically they're different types of players. So maybe the comparison is unfair.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,762 ✭✭✭bmcc10


    As you probably have as much understanding of football as a typical Man Utd bandwagon supporter and use goals, assists etc as a bar in rating players, I will use Steven Gerrard to illustrate my point

    Steven Gerrard has scored more goals in less games than Paul Scholes
    Steven Gerrard can actually tackle
    Steven Gerrard is a leader not a follower like Paul Scholes
    Steven Gerrard can head the ball
    Steven Gerrard scored more penalties
    Steven Gerrard scored more frees
    Steven Gerrard is more athletic than Paul Scholes
    Steven Gerrard has a higher % of through ball assists than Paul Scholes

    You sir are off your rocker.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,447 ✭✭✭Zico


    Steven Gerrard has a soul

    Whose is it?

    Stolen no doubt.:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,107 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    bmcc10 wrote: »
    You sir are off your rocker.

    Well are his stats wrong.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Roquentin


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Well are his stats wrong.

    :D

    "Gerrard can actually tackle."

    Thats not even a stat, just an observation


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,107 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Roquentin wrote: »
    :D

    "Gerrard can actually tackle."

    Thats not even a stat, just an observation

    What ever it is. It's true.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,762 ✭✭✭bmcc10


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Well are his stats wrong.

    Ye suppose your right Scholes=11 PL titles -Gerard=0. Why was Gerard and Lampard even brought into the discussion?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,401 ✭✭✭Royal Irish


    Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard are more complete players than Paul Scholes

    Bahahahaha!!

    Gerrard was a decent player as a box to box midfielder but now that he doesn't have the legs for it and is playing in a more holding role in midfield, his performances in that position are embarrassing.

    He got a great assist last night for Luis Suarez' second goal though :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    Scholes may be better than Pirlo and Xavi.

    But Iniesta is better than Scholes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 490 ✭✭ankaragucu


    Steven Gerrard has a soul


    Yeah but its over rated


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,136 ✭✭✭✭Rayne Wooney


    It's an unfair comparison but if you disregard the different types and group all types of midfielders into one then I think Scholes would be better than Pirlo and Xavi


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,107 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    bmcc10 wrote: »
    Ye suppose your right Scholes=11 PL titles -Gerard=0. Why was Gerard and Lampard even brought into the discussion?

    Trophies shouldn't come into it. By the way I think scholes was a better player than Gerrard, but not the huge gap people think.


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