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Do you have a stock bull/s?

  • 15-06-2014 5:47pm
    #1
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,217 ✭✭✭✭


    well, just wondering, i ai cows and then let either aa or fr bull out. Have an aa stock bull for the sucklers

    Do you have a stock bull/s? 46 votes

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  • #2
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    whelan2 wrote: »
    well, just wondering, i ai cows and then let either aa or fr bull out. Have an aa stock bull for the sucklers

    Never had one in the 40 yrs my father has been farmimg


  • #3
    Mulumpy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 817 ✭✭✭Mulumpy


    Never had one here either. Would be handy for last few of season but for the few I have not worth the hassle.


  • #4
    blue5000
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,754 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    3 here angus, aubrac and a blonde as a terminal sire. Main reason for three is fragmented farm.

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • #5
    Farrell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,262 ✭✭✭Farrell


    blue5000 wrote: »
    3 here angus, aubrac and a blonde as a terminal sire. Main reason for three is fragmented farm.

    Would you not keep BAX heifers?
    How do you find the AU heifers?


  • #6
    Farrell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,262 ✭✭✭Farrell


    Don't have a bull here, as use different breeds in AI. Father had bulls LM, CH & SI we'll worth having, especially on fragmented farms or even if going to stick to 1 particular breed for calves. You may miss a heat the bull won't, but they can have their downside too. Thankfully we hadn't it


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  • #7
    blue5000
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,754 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    Farrell wrote: »
    Would you not keep BAX heifers?

    I don't think there is any milk in them, simpler to let them all off out the gate, means the bull can stay round longer.

    How do you find the AU heifers?

    Nice cattle, fairly quiet, not tall but deep and wide, slaughtered 5 aubrac bulls this spring, 4 U, 1 R grade. First of the aubrac x heifers calving this yr, early days yet. Calved at two yr old, would be bigger as 3 yr olds.

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • #8
    Farrell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,262 ✭✭✭Farrell


    blue5000 wrote: »
    Nice cattle, fairly quiet, not tall but deep and wide, slaughtered 5 aubrac bulls this spring, 4 U, 1 R grade. First of the aubrac x heifers calving this yr, early days yet. Calved at two yr old, would be bigger as 3 yr olds.
    So would all, but caving as 2yo is supposed to improve fertility, easier fed & be more profitable according to teagasc. Notice here easier to get cows that calves at 2yo back in calf compared to 3yo


  • #9
    moy83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,701 ✭✭✭moy83


    No bull here for years , but im hiring one in this year . He was meant to be here last week but I haven't heard a word from him !


  • #10
    bogman_bass
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    No bull here in 29 years


  • #11
    Muckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Muckit


    moy83 wrote: »
    No bull here for years , but im hiring one in this year . He was meant to be here last week but I haven't heard a word from him !

    A talking bull.... impressive!


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  • #12
    moy83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,701 ✭✭✭moy83


    Muckit wrote: »
    A talking bull.... impressive!

    :D The lad that owns him I meant :rolleyes:


  • #13
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,217 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    moy83 wrote: »
    No bull here for years , but im hiring one in this year . He was meant to be here last week but I haven't heard a word from him !
    how much does it cost to rent the bull and for how long?


  • #14
    moy83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,701 ✭✭✭moy83


    whelan2 wrote: »
    how much does it cost to rent the bull and for how long?

    I said I'd take him for 7 weeks , €250 and ill pay for any testing I want done before he comes. I offered the money for the testing . What should I test for do you think , TB , Brucelosis and BVD , anything else ?


  • #15
    td5man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,081 ✭✭✭td5man


    moy83 wrote: »
    No bull here for years , but im hiring one in this year . He was meant to be here last week but I haven't heard a word from him !

    You may give him a "ring" :-)


  • #16
    moy83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,701 ✭✭✭moy83


    td5man wrote: »
    You may give him a "ring" :-)

    Oh I walked into this one :D


  • #17
    Miname
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Miname


    Lim and char stock bullss here. both would be terminal sires however the lim would be 5 star maternal as well. I would throw ai on some of the cows that come round when inside.


  • #18
    Brown Podzol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,847 ✭✭✭Brown Podzol


    moy83 wrote: »
    I said I'd take him for 7 weeks , €250 and ill pay for any testing I want done before he comes. I offered the money for the testing . What should I test for do you think , TB , Brucelosis and BVD , anything else ?

    Fertility.


  • #19
    Base price
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,458 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    I suppose it depends on what you want.
    Are you producing for the market, replacements or best animal of that breed.
    I know of two dairy men near me that have not kept a stock bull in the last 30 odd years. They reckon that the get better progeny by selecting AI bulls to suit an individual cow/heifer or family line.
    In my earlier years of pb breeding I used selective AI on cows/heifers. I had some success using this system but no cohesion within the herd, I had lots of family lines but no base line/continuity.
    Although productive they were not uniform in type, conformation, milkiness etc.
    After years of culling, I was eventually happy with my base of females to breed from. I imported a superb stock bull although at the time he was a calf at foot when I purchased him.
    Again I will go back to what your requirements are from a stock bull.
    In my opinion unless you have a good level base of maternal traits/continuity throughout your herd then you are more or less wasting your time investing in stock bull.
    The wrong bloodlines can do a lot of harm to any herd. However if all you need is a sweeper, then pick one up from a local farmer/mart at commercial money.


  • #20
    Charliebull
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,448 ✭✭✭Charliebull


    Yes stock bull here, a god send

    Doesn't talk


  • #21
    moy83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,701 ✭✭✭moy83


    Brown Podzol wrote: »
    Fertility.

    I never thought of that , I just presumed he would be good to go !


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  • #22
    moy83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,701 ✭✭✭moy83


    Base price wrote: »
    I suppose it depends on what you want.
    Are you producing for the market, replacements or best animal of that breed.
    I know of two dairy men near me that have not kept a stock bull in the last 30 odd years. They reckon that the get better progeny by selecting AI bulls to suit an individual cow/heifer or family line.
    In my earlier years of pb breeding I used selective AI on cows/heifers. I had some success using this system but no cohesion within the herd, I had lots of family lines but no base line/continuity.
    Although productive they were not uniform in type, conformation, milkiness etc. If
    After years of culling, I was eventually happy with my base of females to breed from. I imported a superb stock bull although at the time he was a calf at foot when I purchased him.
    Again I will go back to what your requirements are from a stock bull.
    In my opinion unless you have a good level base of maternal traits/continuity throughout your herd then you are more or less wasting your time investing in stock bull.
    The wrong bloodlines can do a lot of harm to any herd. However if all you need is a sweeper, then pick one up from a local farmer/mart at commercial money.

    I just want a sweeper that will bull everything that is fit for bulling and sell anything else . The father carries alot of empties and I'm fed up of it . If it pans out we can get a right bull next year . Even though I think there is good breeding in most PB suckler cattle nowadays anyhow


  • #23
    munkus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 531 ✭✭✭munkus


    moy83 wrote: »
    I just want a sweeper that will bull everything that is fit for bulling and sell anything else . The father carries alot of empties and I'm fed up of it . If it pans out we can get a right bull next year . Even though I think there is good breeding in most PB suckler cattle nowadays anyhow

    You'd get a good PB limo for 2 - 3 grand. Not massive money considering he's going to be 50% of your stock going forward. Bought one about 4 years ago and he's a quite as a lamb and throwing good calves.


  • #24
    Sami23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭Sami23


    How many sucklers do ye think ud need to justify having a stock bull ?


  • #25
    blue5000
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,754 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    moy83 wrote: »
    No bull here for years , but im hiring one in this year . He was meant to be here last week but I haven't heard a word from him !

    Why are you hiring in a bull instead of buying one? God only knows where he's been?

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • #26
    Charliebull
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,448 ✭✭✭Charliebull


    Sami23 wrote: »
    How many sucklers do ye think ud need to justify having a stock bull ?

    not always numbers , land fragmentation is also a factor, 15 cows or less is what some people say but numbers would never concern me
    blue5000 wrote: »
    Why are you hiring in a bull instead of buying one? God only knows where he's been?

    id agree with that, that, male slut;)


  • #27
    moy83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,701 ✭✭✭moy83


    blue5000 wrote: »
    Why are you hiring in a bull instead of buying one? God only knows where he's been?

    Probably wont be coming into much better here . Its just a trial run really and I dont want a bull around for the full year so we will see how it goes


  • #28
    blue5000
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,754 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    moy83 wrote: »
    Probably wont be coming into much better here . Its just a trial run really and I dont want a bull around for the full year so we will see how it goes

    Buy one and slaughter him when you're finished. Lots of bulls to be got under 2k, last bull I bought was €1200.

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • #29
    Bleating Lamb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,803 ✭✭✭Bleating Lamb


    moy83 wrote: »
    I said I'd take him for 7 weeks , €250 and ill pay for any testing I want done before he comes. I offered the money for the testing . What should I test for do you think , TB , Brucelosis and BVD , anything else ?
    Fertility:)....I see ya beat me to it Brown Podzil!


  • #30
    Bleating Lamb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,803 ✭✭✭Bleating Lamb


    Sami23 wrote: »
    How many sucklers do ye think ud need to justify having a stock bull ?
    Have seen this argued over before here.Depends a lot on peoples circumstances off farm,whether they have someone else able to spot cows in heat etc.Part time farmer here,have always had Stockbull,they do the romancing while you can be doing it with the OH:)
    Personally I would be able to justify having a reliable,good breeding,quiet Stockbull for 8/10 cows.


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  • #31
    AntrimGlens
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭AntrimGlens


    moy83 wrote: »
    I said I'd take him for 7 weeks , €250 and ill pay for any testing I want done before he comes. I offered the money for the testing . What should I test for do you think , TB , Brucelosis and BVD , anything else ?

    If he's a Lim get him tested for Johnes and go for IBR too, as both are passed through semen, decimate a herd if you get it. I'd have thought anyone hiring a bull should be able to offer you them with fully accredited health status, wouldn't touch him otherwise.


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