Monaghan v Tyrone Sunday 15 June 2014 (BBC Two NI/RTE One)

Redsoxfan

As Ciarán McManus isn't fit enough to start, I am picking Tyrone to win. Eoin Lennon is a big loss for Monaghan too.

Mickey Harte still doesn't seem to know his best team. I thought this was to be Kyle Coney's year, but he's dropped to the bench based on the announced team.

Conor Clarke is a loss, even if it is hard to know what his best position is for Tyrone.

Tyrone by two or more.

Mr.Crinklewood

Tyrone 1-12 Monaghan 0-9.

shrewdness

Redsoxfan wrote: »

As Ciarán McManus isn't fit enough to start, I am picking Tyrone to win. Eoin Lennon is a big loss for Monaghan too.

Mickey Harte still doesn't seem to know his best team. I thought this was to be Kyle Coney's year, but he's dropped to the bench based on the announced team.

Conor Clarke is a loss, even if it is hard to know what his best position is for Tyrone.

Tyrone by two or more.

Has he switched from Offaly? :pac:

He's starting going by twitter.

Redsoxfan

Getting my Conor's and Ciarán's confused at an awful rate today....

Aye, Off the Ball says he starts, Malachy O'Rourke now unsure on BBC, but not sure when this was recorded.

Redsoxfan

And Conor McManus looks like he's starting. As Canavan says, big for frees alone.

Redsoxfan

Niall Morgan could be set for one of those days....

shrewdness

Very scrappy so far, some poor mistakes from both sides.

Redsoxfan

Great point there from Donnelly. McManus not fit. Monaghan full back line has the Tyrone full forward line in all sorts of bother. Kieran Hughes is beating his man every time.

theoneeyedman

TOM Carr is seriously annoying as Co commentator. Monaghan leaving this behind them now.

Redsoxfan

Monaghan should really be out of sight. Two great goal opportunities missed.

Thankfully no Mark Sidebottom on BBC.

Fireball07

Looked awkward taking the penalty, but still very close. Could be a big miss.

Tyrone's kick-outs are shocking. Beggan scored a wonderful free for Monaghan, and Monaghan should probably be further ahead; Hughes, Clerkin & co. causing problems.


Probably expect Tyrone to sneak it in the 2nd half, if they can keep an eye on Hughes and start winning some primary possession.

Dirty Dingus McGee

An open enjoyable game that is in part being ruined by the ginnet in charge of the cameras for the BBC.Continually switching the cameras to Mickey Harte,Malachy O'Rourke , the crowd ,Conor McManus etc when the ball is in play is just terrible and you'd have to wonder how people get jobs ion positions like this when they can't do the most basic thing involved in broadcasting a sports match follow the ball in play.

shrewdness

Monaghan started poor enough but have grown into the game, and look the better team now. Should have a goal but reacted well enough so it doesn't look to have affected them. If they can cut out the poor shot selection and get the ball into the likes of Hughes they will punish the Tyrone FB line which is there to be got at. McManus though far from fit has made an important contribution and is flawless from frees.

Redsoxfan

Flicked over to RTE and Brolly called it right - the game is being played on Monaghan's terms.

Tyrone could still win this, but I'd fear Monaghan far more.

DuckHook

Monaghan need to stop kicking these wides they have Tyrone on toast but letting them stay in it.

Boom__Boom

Tyrone FB line very easily exposed there for the goal.

Boom__Boom

Sean Kavanagh having an off day is massive for Monaghan.

Johner

Monaghan are the better team, should be further ahead.

NordieSteve

Horrible to watch, hoping Tyrone get a goal in.

Boom__Boom

Johner wrote: »

Monaghan are the better team, should be further ahead.

Even when Tyrone arent going well, you rarely see teams managing to pull away from them. It's one of the things that make Tyrone so hard to beat.

The camerawork from BBC continues to be cat - I think they are going for the world record for crowd shots.

Boom__Boom

Gotten scrappy the last few minutes.

Nib

Horrible game to watch.

Tyrone's chance of coming back went with that McCurry black card.

SeanJ09

I wonder will Joe Brolly refer to that cynical pulldown on Sean Cavanagh there after the match.

Redsoxfan

SeanJ09 wrote: »

I wonder will Joe Brolly refer to that cynical pulldown on Sean Cavanagh there after the match.

Was as much a pull down by Cavanagh

Da Shins Kelly

Monaghan too complacent.

DuckHook

Blow it up

Redsoxfan

Jaysus Monaghan made heavy weather of it at the end. Crazy to trust Niall Morgan, the fella doesn't have the bottle, was off from the start today.

Mickey Harte letting himself down here. He has nothing left to prove, I really wonder if Tyrone would be better off going in another direction next year.

Frankie Lee

It will surely be Harte's last year in charge of Tyrone.

big_drive

Cavanagh is great player. But some man to manufacture frees, he has it down to a fine art

Fireball07

I thought the game was decent enough to watch, always intense, always tight.


Monaghan deserved the win, but the black cards at the end could have cost them- Malone was getting through a lot of work, and Hughes is a serious operator.


I think Kieran Hughes moving out the field nullified his threat really, didn't get on enough ball in the 2nd half. If Tyrone had McCurry on at the end, they might have won, still didn't see what he did.

Shelflife

Tyrone mgmt surrounding and berating the officials at the end there.

Looks terrible and sends out a poor message that this is acceptable.

Powers that be need to stamp out this abuse of officials. Sometimes it goes your way sometimes it doesn't . Deal with it !!!

But stop abusing the officials !

Redsoxfan

Fireball07 wrote: »

If Tyrone had McCurry on at the end, they might have won, still didn't see what he did.

Pretty clear black card as far as I am concerned - tripped a Monaghan player with his elbow.

Dirty Dingus McGee

Monaghan should have won by more but seemed to get defensive in the last 10 or 15 minutes its was a good game up to that point but the game got scrappy at the end as they tried to protect their lead when they should have been pushing on.


Monaghan are just lacking a player in the forward line to make them real All Ireland contenders.They are excellent in defence and midfield but there is too much reliance on McManus in the forward line, Maybe Paul Finlay can improve them although his best days are probably behind him now.

Fireball07

Gollogly made one great tackle when he came on, stopped what probably would have been a score- crucial in the end.

Redsoxfan

No surprise Monaghan struggled to close it out - a lot of baggage when facing Tyrone. Huge win for them.

Boom__Boom

I think that was the worst camerawork of any game I have ever seen - and that includes games I've seen streamed by clubs on the internet. The GAA should complain to BBC - if you were one to believe in conspiracy theories you would almost imagine that it was sectarian it was so bad. At times it seemed like whoever was responsible for the cameras was annoyed at having to distract the camera away from crowds and turn it back to the action. Woeful, woeful stuff.

A lot of the stuff we knew were underlying issues all came up today - diving/simulation, questionable referee decisions especially re black/yellow, and time-keeping (surely rather than a throw-ball the penalty for a team time wasting should be a free to the opposition - at one stage Monaghan blatantly time-wasted over a free and the ref pulled them on it [of course a ref is only ever allowed blow a team once per game for time-wasting] and Monaghan won the throw-ball.

Boom__Boom

Frankie Lee wrote: »

It will surely be Harte's last year in charge of Tyrone.

Has a 3-year deal which includes 2015, so will surely be there next year.

After that however......

shrewdness

Good win, thought Monaghan threw it away but just hung in there. Brolly is probably right in that that fact it was Tyrone made them panic a bit more than normal, I don't know if they would have done that against another team. That's a huge monkey off their back now, they will be a force in Ulster and perhaps beyond.

Morgan is a talented goalie and free-taker, but I've seen comparisons between him and Cluxton which is absurd. Even in free-taking terms, Cluxton scored the biggest pressure kick possible to win an AI, Morgan didn't show that sort of bottle today in an Ulster 1/4 final. Even in this game I'd say Beggan is as good, but gets no headlines like Morgan. Perhaps he isn't as much of a "character", but I don't think that's a necessary attribute in a goalkeeper.

BOHSBOHS

think after mccurry lost the ball , he tripped the monaghan lad going for the ball
to allow his teammate to reach it first...


s. kavanagh .... ridiculous diving ,clutching his face trying to get dessie mone sent off

he dragged hughes to the ground and managed to get him black carded
was clear in real time even more so in replay.
( penrose did similar earlier in the game)

monaghan almost let it slip though ,if morgan had squared it up , tyrone wouldnt be as bad next day out

Boom__Boom

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Monaghan should have won by more but seemed to get defensive in the last 10 or 15 minutes its was a good game up to that point but the game got scrappy at the end as they tried to protect their lead when they should have been pushing on.


Monaghan are just lacking a player in the forward line to make them real All Ireland contenders.They are excellent in defence and midfield but there is too much reliance on McManus in the forward line, Maybe Paul Finlay can improve them although his best days are probably behind him now.

I think that the bigger pitch of Croke Park also counts against them - the smaller pitches of Ulster suit them but their style takes a hit in the wide open spaces of Croke Park.

Tyrone's full-back line was insanely bad the number of chances they gave up ; the marking for the goal was chronic - you'd be annoyed if you saw an u10 team mark like that.

Nib

Proof if it was needed that time keeping needs to be taken away from referees. Two minutes injury time? I'd hazard a guess there was no more than 20 minutes of play in that second half. He then blows it up bang on 72 minutes with Tyrone on the attack after Monaghan wasted half of those two minutes.

Mickey Harte rightly pissed at the end.

shrewdness

Boom__Boom wrote: »

I think that the bigger pitch of Croke Park also counts against them - the smaller pitches of Ulster suit them but their style takes a hit in the wide open spaces of Croke Park.

Tyrone's full-back line was insanely bad the number of chances they gave up ; the marking for the goal was chronic - you'd be annoyed if you saw an u10 team mark like that.

Hasn't it been proved before there's barely any difference in size and the idea that Croke Park is much bigger than other pitches is a myth?

Dyr

Nib wrote: »

Mickey Harte rightly pissed at the end.

Was he complaining that the referee didn't fall for cavanaghs diving as much as Harte felt he should?

Boom__Boom

shrewdness wrote: »

Hasn't it been proved before there's barely any difference in size and the idea that Croke Park is much bigger than other pitches is a myth?

Nope.

I asked a lot of lads about this (lads who have played in Croker for the first time and lads who have played their multiple times) and its definitely a factor. It's a personal bugbear of mine.

DuckHook

Nib wrote: »

Proof if it was needed that time keeping needs to be taken away from referees. Two minutes injury time? I'd hazard a guess there was no more than 20 minutes of play in that second half. He then blows it up bang on 72 minutes with Tyrone on the attack after Monaghan wasted half of those two minutes.

Mickey Harte rightly pissed at the end.

Bullcrap..if Tyrone hadn't dragged a player down with a minute to go in extra time then they may have prevented 30 seconds of extra time being used up.

If it was Tyrone in that position the same would have happened and mickey Harte would not be bleating on like he did.

Redsoxfan

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't added time completely at the discretion of the referee and there is actually no provision or requirement in the rules to add on time for injury, substitution, booking whatever.

How much time did Tyrone waste having Niall Morgan come forward to take that free that he missed?

DunedinOg

Correct, the ref couldn't have added time on for bookings etc.

Always_Running

Monaghan much the better side if they had taken all their goals chances they would have won pulling up. Tyrone will probably go on another run in the qualifiers and might reach the all Ireland quarter final but they aren't good enough to go any further than that imo.

shrewdness

Boom__Boom wrote: »

Nope.

I asked a lot of lads about this (lads who have played in Croker for the first time and lads who have played their multiple times) and its definitely a factor. It's a personal bugbear of mine.

I did a quick search and it threw up pitch dimensions for Clones of 142 x 87 m, and Croke Park of 144.5m x 88m. So negligible really. I can understand the surroundings(stands etc.) being a factor when there for the first time but not the pitch size. Nevertheless, most of this Monaghan team have been in Croke Park a decent number of times in recent years to have a feel for it. Even the younger players have had a couple of run outs there in the last two league finals. They'll most likely get back to the quarter-final one way or the other, so it will be interesting to see how they get on this year.

Happyman42

Cards on table...Monaghan supporter here. That was a huge game for us. One point win was as good as twenty.
Hugely expectant of where this committed group of players can go.