Irish citizenship or asylum?

irishredmist

I am a returning Irish citizen born in Dublin to Irish parents. Both now deceased. On my return to seek work and settle in Ireland I registered with the authorities as deemed. I have been informed I have "no habitual rights" whatever that means, but if I seek asylum I will be given money the same day, accommodation, food, health care, legal advice, daily pocket money, also if I have children they will house them too. Am rather dazed to say the least its still processing.

My question therefore, can I revoke my Irish birth right and passport, as it is deemed worthless, apply for UK citizenship then become an asylum seeker in the country I was born, and be awarded some rights and access the many tailored services provided for them? What exactly is happening here? Advice please.

Zambia

What passport have you now?

irishredmist

Zambia wrote: »

What passport have you now?

Irish

Zambia

irishredmist wrote: »

Irish

Do you think this plan has any chance of succeeding?

okioffice84

Why not? Sign up and be sent to a direct provision centre. You'll have a ball...

Pro Hoc Vice

irishredmist wrote: »

I am a returning Irish citizen born in Dublin to Irish parents. Both now deceased. On my return to seek work and settle in Ireland I registered with the authorities as deemed. I have been informed I have "no habitual rights" whatever that means, but if I seek asylum I will be given money the same day, accommodation, food, health care, legal advice, daily pocket money, also if I have children they will house them too. Am rather dazed to say the least its still processing.

My question therefore, can I revoke my Irish birth right and passport, as it is deemed worthless, apply for UK citizenship then become an asylum seeker in the country I was born, and be awarded some rights and access the many tailored services provided for them? What exactly is happening here? Advice please.

What you have been told is that you are not habitually resident, this is a concept of social welfare law, you need to get correct advice and appeal any decision. Most appeals in such cases I believe are successful.

No changing your passport to UK and claiming Asylum will not work. Also as a asylum seeker, a person has no right to work, they will be in the system for years, they will be housed for years in multiple occupancy rooms, legal aid will be provided for their asylum claim, meals are provided 3 a day and pocket money to pay for everything else is 19.00 a week. Ask anyone who has actully been housed in such conditions for years its not very nice.

Rachiee

Basically what they are saying is you are not entitled to social welfare. You are entitled however to live and work here. Would you really give that up for no rights a bed in a hostel s%%t food and 19 euro a week! I can understand why you are angry but if you haven't been living here why should you be entitled to social welfare? Good luck on the job hunt op i know its tough but its a lot better than giving up your citizenship rights for direct provision only to be refused asylum 7 years down the line.

kikidelvin

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

What you have been told is that you are not habitually resident, this is a concept of social welfare law, you need to get correct advice and appeal any decision. Most appeals in such cases I believe are successful.

No changing your passport to UK and claiming Asylum will not work. Also as a asylum seeker, a person has no right to work, they will be in the system for years, they will be housed for years in multiple occupancy rooms, legal aid will be provided for their asylum claim, meals are provided 3 a day and pocket money to pay for everything else is 19.00 a week. Ask anyone who has actully been housed in such conditions for years its not very nice.

R ubbish where did you hear this crap.Have you not heard about Mosney/Butlins.

irishredmist

Rachiee wrote: »

Basically what they are saying is you are not entitled to social welfare. You are entitled however to live and work here. Would you really give that up for no rights a bed in a hostel s%%t food and 19 euro a week! I can understand why you are angry but if you haven't been living here why should you be entitled to social welfare? Good luck on the job hunt op i know its tough but its a lot better than giving up your citizenship rights for direct provision only to be refused asylum 7 years down the line.

Thanks for your reply. I have paid my stamp most of my life and contributed like many do also a bilateral agreements exists between both countries. Your missing the point, this is way beyond anger or money......you said and i quote "you have not been living here so why should you receive social welfare" my question therefore is ...

Why are they entitled?

Marcusm

Leaving aside the cost and time impracticalities of seeking UK citizenship, you would still not qualify as an asylum seeker. As a UK citizen you would have the right to live in Ireland both under the Common Travel Area arrangements and under the EU Treaty and would still be subject to habitual residency considerations for any social welfare claim.

Pro Hoc Vice

irishredmist wrote: »

Well I spoke with a solicitor he was very interested and optimistic he started going on about Human Rights of Irish citizens opposed to other states, he mentioned the "habitual residence law is on shaky ground and not defined clearly in Irish Iaw" he went on for sometime talking about the legal process to get a EU hearing
....zzz

Anyway am here to stay they have awoken something in me.....

No harm in throwing it out there am interested in sensible feedback

HR is clearly defined in irish law. It is in fact defined in EU case law as well.

Pro Hoc Vice

irishredmist wrote: »

Well I spoke with a solicitor he was very interested and optimistic he started going on about Human Rights of Irish citizens opposed to other states, he mentioned the "habitual residence law is on shaky ground and not defined clearly in Irish Iaw" he went on for sometime talking about the legal process to get a EU hearing
....zzz

Anyway am here to stay they have awoken something in me...

I would be surprised if any solicitor would think a UK citizen could claim Asylum, or in fact any EU citizen. I would also be surprised that any solicitor who knew anything of Asylum law would tell someone that direct provision was a good option.

Sulla Felix

If you're an Irish citizen and you're returning to work, I don't see what the problem is. You ought to be able to freely work surely?

irishredmist

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

I would be surprised if any solicitor would think a UK citizen could claim Asylum, or in fact any EU citizen. I would also be surprised that any solicitor who knew anything of Asylum law would tell someone that direct provision was a good option.

He didn't that was my question.

Sulla Felix

irishredmist wrote: »

Again your missing the point, I will be returning to work, its not about how much money the system gives that was never my intention, but Irish people have less rights than asylum seekers that's enough for me to carry on and I will at all costs.

No, we don't. We have the right to work, which imo is far superior to getting direct provision as an asylum seeker. If we cannot find work, even if we haven't paid into the system to qualify for jobseekers under the HRC there are still a range of supports for them.

Pro Hoc Vice

irishredmist wrote: »

He didn't that was my question. But its getting more interesting by the minute : )

It's not really interesting as the idea won't work. In the 6 plus years you are going through the courts you won't have SW, or direct provision. So it's not really an interesting idea. An interesting idea is to appeal and prove you are HR in ireland any solicitor should be able to tell you how to prove that. I personally have knowledge of a number of such appeals all granted.

Arthur Beesley

irishredmist wrote: »

I am a returning Irish citizen born in Dublin to Irish parents. Both now deceased. On my return to seek work and settle in Ireland I registered with the authorities as deemed. I have been informed I have "no habitual rights" whatever that means, but if I seek asylum I will be given money the same day, accommodation, food, health care, legal advice, daily pocket money, also if I have children they will house them too. Am rather dazed to say the least its still processing.

My question therefore, can I revoke my Irish birth right and passport, as it is deemed worthless, apply for UK citizenship then become an asylum seeker in the country I was born, and be awarded some rights and access the many tailored services provided for them? What exactly is happening here? Advice please.

Why can't those of is born, raised and living in Ireland claim asylum here?

Pro Hoc Vice

irishredmist wrote: »

Again your missing the point, I will be returning to work, its not about how much money the system gives that was never my intention, but Irish people have less rights than asylum seekers that's enough for me to carry on and I will at all costs.

Are you mad. An asylum seeker has no rights, if they have a child that child has no rights to irish citizenship, an asylum seeker has no rights to reside. You have a twisted bar room view of asylum.

You do not show any understanding of HR or Asylum but if you want to risk hundreds of thousands in costs for your principles which are incorrect as a matter of law work away.

A simple appeal will sort the HR issue, as long as the returning citizen can show he either remained HR or has always intended to remain HR in ireland.

BTW any person coming to ireland to work legally will be HR as a matter of law after 2 years, it's easy to prove HR in a matter of months in fact I could prove a person is HR on arrival and have done so.

irishredmist

Marcusm wrote: »

Leaving aside the cost and time impracticalities of seeking UK citizenship, you would still not qualify as an asylum seeker. As a UK citizen you would have the right to live in Ireland both under the Common Travel Area arrangements and under the EU Treaty and would still be subject to habitual residency considerations for any social welfare claim.

Thanks.


 

Pro Hoc Vice

irishredmist wrote: »

Thanks.
The Law is set out in Section 246 of the Social Welfare (Consolidation) Act 2005 as amended. The section has been amended twice - once by the Social Welfare and Pensions Act 2007 and again by the Social Welfare and Pensions (No. 2) Act 2009 (see Relate, January 2010).
Section 246 states that "it shall be presumed, until the contrary is shown, that a person is not habitually resident in the State at the date of the making of the application concerned unless the person has been present in the State or any other part of the Common Travel Area for a continuous period of 2 years ending on that date". The Common Travel Area (CTA) means Ireland, the UK, the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man.

This gets more interesting : )

 

You first say it's interesting because there is no law on this, then you say it's interesting because there is law. You say it's interesting because there is no eu law on it, if you have found the section you will have found that it's based on the findings of the European court of justice.

You will also see the law only presumes until the contrary is shown, it is very easy for an returning irish citizen to prove the contrary, so in fact it's not interesting it's pretty basic law.

irishredmist

kikidelvin wrote: »

R ubbish where did you hear this crap.Have you not heard about Mosney/Butlins.

Thanks for that just read it. Can't find any provisions for the 1000's of Irish homeless people though. Can't attach link for other users yet new user or something lol

irishredmist

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

You first say it's interesting because there is no law on this, then you say it's interesting because there is law. You say it's interesting because there is no eu law on it, if you have found the section you will have found that it's based on the findings of the European court of justice.

You will also see the law only presumes until the contrary is shown, it is very easy for an returning irish citizen to prove the contrary, so in fact it's not interesting it's pretty basic law.

Thanks for your input as stated am new to all this, that's how we learn by investigation. Apologies for any cross over at this stage. Your advice on proving the contrary would be helpful.

Pro Hoc Vice

irishredmist wrote: »

Thanks for that just read it. Can't find any provisions for the 1000's of Irish homeless people though. Can't attach link for other users yet new user or something lol

how about the hundreds of thousands of Irish living in LA housing. How about the thousands living in homeless shelters. There are 4500 asylum seekers in Direct Provision, numbers applying for asylum are down from a peak of 12,000 a year in 2002 to less than 1000 a year last year.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/concern-raised-for-sucidal-asylum-seekers-in-direct-provision-hostels-1.1789796

In some cases, entire families are living in rooms 10.5sq.ft.

A third of 4,500 people living in Direct Provision are children.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0509/616287-call-to-end-direct-provision-accommodation/

If you are really serious which i doubt, you are mad or an idiot to want to go into that. I assume this thread is a veiled attack the asylum seekers.

While it is estimated that upto 5000 people in Ireland are homeless the number of rough sleepers is measured in the hundreds, and is usually and issue with addiction or illness.

mrsbyrne

When you say you "registered with the authorities as deemed" what you mean is you landed back in Ireland and you went straight to your nearest SW office to get what you see as your entitlement as an Irish citizen. A state handout.
Thousands of people in this country have lost their jobs after working and contributing to the State for years. They get a SW payment. Why should we give you one? For all SW know your just back here for a break and you feel you need some spending money. And your entitled . Why? Your an Irish citizen? If every Irish citizen in the world came back and demanded a handout what would happen?
SW have asked you to provide evidence that you have cut all ties financial and personal with your last country. They have asked you to provide evidence that Ireland is now your "centre of interest". Just stop all your nonsense about direct provision and do it. You wouldnt last two hours in direct provision.
If you need further clarification check out Habitual Residence Condition on WWW.citizensinformation.ie
Either that or get a job.

Tasden

Just request that they review their decision giving as much info as you can and provide documentation to support your case- a lease to show you plan to stay here or whatever else that shows ireland is your centre of interest.

You're really overcomplicating things for yourself

okioffice84

HINT: The OP is a troll who thinks the State is looking after asylum seekers better than its own citizens.

mrsbyrne

okioffice84 wrote: »

HINT: The OP is a troll who thinks the State is looking after asylum seekers better than its own citizens.

Probably but you'd be astonished the amount of globetrotting Irish who fancy coming back to the ould sod for a few months and think their entitled to spending money while their here.

irishredmist

Tasden wrote: »

Just request that they review their decision giving as much info as you can and provide documentation to support your case- a lease to show you plan to stay here or whatever else that shows ireland is your centre of interest.

You're really overcomplicating things for yourself

Thanks.

irishredmist

okioffice84 wrote: »

HINT: The OP is a troll who thinks the State is looking after asylum seekers better than its own citizens.

Another useless response. I simply stated a fact there are more provisions for Asylum seekers than Irish re entering Ireland. I didn't say it was 5 star accommodation they get but its a 100% damn better than no help. Oh am sure the more than the 5000 + homeless in Dublin would agree.

Pro Hoc Vice

irishredmist wrote: »

Thanks. One of the sensible replies.

one of the first replies you got "What you have been told is that you are not habitually resident, this is a concept of social welfare law, you need to get correct advice and appeal any decision. Most appeals in such cases I believe are successful."

Then i said in a later post "An interesting idea is to appeal and prove you are HR in ireland any solicitor should be able to tell you how to prove that. I personally have knowledge of a number of such appeals all granted."

Then later again "A simple appeal will sort the HR issue, as long as the returning citizen can show he either remained HR or has always intended to remain HR in ireland."

And "You will also see the law only presumes until the contrary is shown, it is very easy for an returning irish citizen to prove the contrary, so in fact it's not interesting it's pretty basic law"

Pro Hoc Vice

irishredmist wrote: »

Another useless response. I simply stated a fact there are more provisions for Asylum seekers than Irish re entering Ireland. I didn't say it was 5 star accommodation they get but its a 100% damn better than no help. Oh am sure the more than the 5000 + homeless in Dublin would agree.

Any you have been told how any returning Irish Citizen will get help. Also you seem to forget the returning Irish Citizen is entitled to work while a Asylum seeker is not.

Can you show any evidence that 5000 plus people in Dublin have no roof over their heads tonight. There is a huge difference between homlessness and rough sleeping.

mrsbyrne

irishredmist wrote: »

Another useless response. I simply stated a fact there are more provisions for Asylum seekers than Irish re entering Ireland. I didn't say it was 5 star accommodation they get but its a 100% damn better than no help. Oh am sure the more than the 5000 + homeless in Dublin would agree.

We don't mind helping people fleeing from terror and starvation. We'd rather MUCH RATHER help them then freeloading entitled moochers.
Not one homeless person in Ireland would swap places with someone on direct provision. Not one.o

irishredmist

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

Any you have been told how any returning Irish Citizen will get help. Also you seem to forget the returning Irish Citizen is entitled to work while a Asylum seeker is not.

Can you show any evidence that 5000 plus people in Dublin have no roof over their heads tonight. There is a huge difference between homlessness and rough sleeping.

would love too but can't post links yet I will though. Dublin Simon chariy and Focus spring to mind.

Pro Hoc Vice

irishredmist wrote: »

would love too but can't post links yet I will though. Dublin Simon chariy and Focus spring to mind.

Yes the national figure for homeless would be over 5000. Homeless is not defined as being on the streets. In fact a large number of those classed as homeless are in far better positions than people in Direct provision. With many homeless in accommodation equal to direct provision, except they also have social welfare or income from work.

The number of people on the streets while rising is in the low hundreds.

https://www.focusireland.ie/about-homelessness/understanding-homelessness/how-many-people-are-homeless

http://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/census/documents/homelesspersonsinireland/Homeless,persons,in,Ireland,A,special,Census,report.pdf

Persons in accommodation 3,744

Persons sleeping rough 64

So homeless people are in accommodation and asylum seekers are in accommodation so your issue is what.

irishredmist

mrsbyrne wrote: »

We don't mind helping people fleeing from terror and starvation. We'd rather MUCH RATHER help them then freeloading entitled moochers.
Not one homeless person in Ireland would swap places with someone on direct provision. Not one.o

Can't be bothered to reply to your first rant above as you know nothing about me. You obviously hate the Irish anyway so why are you here? But for the record lady in less than three weeks of landing in Ireland I have had 2 interviews and one tomo. Not bad hey for a "an Irish freeloading moocher"

And in response to your true comments above, that's why Ireland has got into such a mess because you help any other nation but your own my point exactly! You do know about the 5-7,000 Irish artists, musicians, medically trained personal etc..etc..that have left Ireland because of no jobs?? Oh and the Polish and Czech's who take the jobs for a pittance pay then send their wages home and import food in... yea really helping this great economy balance the books. Good luck with that.

irishredmist

mrsbyrne wrote: »

We don't mind helping people fleeing from terror and starvation. We'd rather MUCH RATHER help them then freeloading entitled moochers.
Not one homeless person in Ireland would swap places with someone on direct provision. Not one.o

Can't be bothered to reply to your first rant above as you know nothing about me. You obviously hate the Irish anyway so why are you here? But for the record lady in less than three weeks of landing in Ireland I have had 2 interviews and one tomo. Not bad hey for a "an Irish freeloading moocher"

And in response to your true comments above, that's why Ireland has got into such a mess because you help any other nation but your own my point exactly! You do know about the 5-7,000 Irish artists, musicians, medically trained personal etc..etc..that have left Ireland because of no jobs?? Oh and the Polish and Czech's who take the jobs for a pittance pay then send their wages home and import food in... yea really helping this great economy balance the books. Good luck with that.

Little CuChulainn

irishredmist wrote: »

Can't be bothered to reply to your first rant above as you know nothing about me. You obviously hate the Irish anyway so why are you here? But for the record lady in less than three weeks of landing in Ireland I have had 2 interviews and one tomo. Not bad hey for a "an Irish freeloading moocher"

And in response to your true comments above, that's why Ireland has got into such a mess because you help any other nation but your own my point exactly! You do know about the 5-7,000 Irish artists, musicians, medically trained personal etc..etc..that have left Ireland because of no jobs?? Oh and the Polish and Czech's who take the jobs for a pittance pay then send their wages home and import food in... yea really helping this great economy balance the books. Good luck with that.

"You obviously hate Irish"? Where do you get that from? And why do you refer to the Irish as "you" instead of "we"? Are you even Irish? And that bit about artists and musicians not having jobs? Is that a joke? Generally, artists and musicians work on their own. And they have tax exemptions for any money they receive for their work.

Your whole post stinks of ignorant racism.

irishredmist

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

"You obviously hate Irish"? Where do you get that from? And why do you refer to the Irish as "you" instead of "we"? Are you even Irish? And that bit about artists and musicians not having jobs? Is that a joke? Generally, artists and musicians work on their own. And they have tax exemptions for any money they receive for their work.

Your whole post stinks of ignorant racism.

Read my original post that should answer your Irish question. You should try living in Poland and Czech Republic then you will know and see racism when you come across signs saying "No Irish/English Welcome" see if they give you work. They give us absolutely nothing in their country, they charge for translation of anything you do, and signs in English providing free services, you will be lucky, they hate us deep down don't be naive, funnny how when Ireland's bubble burst many of them fled? Am not racist my best friend from childhood was the first black girl in our school. I do believe in charity begins at home there are alot of babies and children in Ireland suffering and when am settled I know who I will be helping. You may not have personally or financial been affected by it yet but you will I guarantee. The UK education, housing, hospitals basic infrastructure is crushed under the demands made by them, while they contribute very little, the Irish are too giving and nice to see their being shafted. You will not change my views as I have lived and seen it.

Pro Hoc Vice

irishredmist wrote: »

Read my original post that should answer your Irish question. You should try living in Poland and Czech Republic then you will know and see racism when you come across signs saying "No Irish/English Welcome" see if they give you work. They give us absolutely nothing in their country, they charge for translation of anything you do, and signs in English providing free services, you will be lucky, they hate us deep down don't be naive, funnny how when Ireland's bubble burst many of them fled? Am not racist my best friend from childhood was the first black girl in our school. I do believe in charity begins at home there are alot of babies and children in Ireland suffering and when am settled I know who I will be helping. You may not have personally or financial been affected by it yet but you will I guarantee. The UK education, housing, hospitals basic infrastructure is crushed under the demands made by them, while they contribute very little, the Irish are too giving and nice to see their being shafted. You will not change my views as I have lived and seen it.

Bull**** now you are just making stuff up. BTW I have a black friend does not mean you do not have race issue. So please take your rubbish and spout it up your own hole.

I have posted multiple times but am amazed you have ignored me, yes I do hate irish like you because ye are idiots.

irishredmist

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

Bull**** now you are just making stuff up. BTW I have a black friend does not mean you do not have race issue. So please take your rubbish and spout it up your own hole.

I have posted multiple times but am amazed you have ignored me, yes I do hate irish like you because ye are idiots.

The post was not in reply to you so not sure why your getting hot under the collar? Did I touch a nerve or are you Czech or Polish? I previously thanked you for your input. If you don't like the Irish then your free to leave at anytime.

btw when did you live in their culture and experience them for real I did for 8 years?

Pro Hoc Vice

irishredmist wrote: »

The post was not in reply to you so not sure why your getting hot under the collar? Did I touch a nerve or are you Czech or Polish? I previously thanked you for your input. If you don't like the Irish then your free to leave at anytime.

No the post was not in reply to me, it was in reply to "Little CuChulainn" read what I actually said, can I ask are you English or Welsh, no I never said I don't like the irish I just said I don't like irish twats just like I don't like twats from any country. Going by your logic as you did leave you must not like the Irish!

I also love the fact that you have deleted much of your posts, a record by my counting 16 deleted posts in 4 pages. That's amazing to be honest, why you come back to ireland not able to keep up where you went.

BTW just checked can't find any thanks from you to any of my posts.

mrsbyrne

irishredmist wrote: »

The post was not in reply to you so not sure why your getting hot under the collar? Did I touch a nerve or are you Czech or Polish? I previously thanked you for your input. If you don't like the Irish then your free to leave at anytime.

btw when did you live in their culture and experience them for real I did for 8 years?

I'm starting to think that outside your wild imagination you've never actually left your own bedroom.

irishredmist

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

No the post was not in reply to me, it was in reply to "Little CuChulainn" read what I actually said, can I ask are you English or Welsh, no I never said I don't like the irish I just said I don't like irish twats just like I don't like twats from any country. Going by your logic as you did leave you must not like the Irish!

I notice you avoided my questions above please enlighten me? Am Irish/Welsh. My father left Ireland for work when we were kids so no choice to leave. Maybe you are accustomed to people agreeing with everything you say but I don't bow so easily. G nite.

Pro Hoc Vice

irishredmist wrote: »

I notice you avoided my questions above please enlighten me? Am Irish/Welsh. My father left Ireland for work when we were kids so no choice to leave. Maybe you are accustomed to people agreeing with everything you say but I don't bow so easily. G nite.

You don't get sarcasm do you. Look it up google will help you, a bit of family history of running away there. BTW I'm irish as was my mother and father, I can find all grand parents in the census of 1901 and 1911 and based on family surnames can trace family back to celtic times may have a Norman or a planter in there as well.

irishredmist

mrsbyrne wrote: »

I'm starting to think that outside your wild imagination you've never actually left your own bedroom.

My art teacher said that : ) I do leave my bedroom once a year when santa comes : )

Pro Hoc Vice

irishredmist wrote: »

My art teacher said that : ) I do leave my bedroom once a year when santa comes : )

In you?

Pro Hoc Vice

The OP has deleted almost half of his posts and a good few are no more than "thanks" WTF.

Little CuChulainn

irishredmist wrote: »

Read my original post that should answer your Irish question. You should try living in Poland and Czech Republic then you will know and see racism when you come across signs saying "No Irish/English Welcome" see if they give you work. They give us absolutely nothing in their country, they charge for translation of anything you do, and signs in English providing free services, you will be lucky, they hate us deep down don't be naive, funnny how when Ireland's bubble burst many of them fled? Am not racist my best friend from childhood was the first black girl in our school. I do believe in charity begins at home there are alot of babies and children in Ireland suffering and when am settled I know who I will be helping. You may not have personally or financial been affected by it yet but you will I guarantee. The UK education, housing, hospitals basic infrastructure is crushed under the demands made by them, while they contribute very little, the Irish are too giving and nice to see their being shafted. You will not change my views as I have lived and seen it.

Having a black friend does not mean you are not a racist. At most it means you are not racist against black people. You clearly have racism issues with Eastern Europeans. Our economy is not in tatters because of foreign people. Our asylum system is not something Irish people would want to be a part of.

irishredmist

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

No the post was not in reply to me, it was in reply to "Little CuChulainn" read what I actually said, can I ask are you English or Welsh, no I never said I don't like the irish I just said I don't like irish twats just like I don't like twats from any country. Going by your logic as you did leave you must not like the Irish!

I also love the fact that you have deleted much of your posts, a record by my counting 16 deleted posts in 4 pages. That's amazing to be honest, why you come back to ireland not able to keep up where you went.

BTW just checked can't find any thanks from you to any of my posts.

The posts deleted were repeated posts not sure why it does that. My comments have been quoted so nothing to hide and nothing I would not gladly post again. I didn't leave Ireland by choice we were kids. If you must know my parents both died in a car collision so I came home. Thanks for your input in earlier posts it was very informative and helpful. Do you fancy a date? lol

irishredmist

mrsbyrne wrote: »

I'm starting to think that outside your wild imagination you've never actually left your own bedroom.

My art teacher said that : ) I do leave my bedroom once a year when santa comes : )

irishredmist

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

No the post was not in reply to me, it was in reply to "Little CuChulainn" read what I actually said, can I ask are you English or Welsh, no I never said I don't like the irish I just said I don't like irish twats just like I don't like twats from any country. Going by your logic as you did leave you must not like the Irish!

I notice you avoided my questions above please enlighten me? Am Irish/Welsh. My father left Ireland for work when we were kids so no choice to leave. Maybe you are accustomed to people agreeing with everything you say but I don't bow so easily. G nite.