***Leaving Cert MUSIC- All Levels: Before and After Discussion***

chatterboxxx95

So, said I'd get this started even though we have a bit to go
How's everyone set? Predictions for what bits of works coming up/ Irish music essays??:pac:

Anyone's ears bleeding yet from extensive study of Deane?:cool::pac:

richardh330

Mozart definitely question 1, probably first movement

Irish essays:
North America
Sean nos
instrumental ornamentation
ceili band tradition

Hopefully a style question in Q6, maybe comparing it to set works like SEC2007 and DEB mock this year

richardh330

chatterboxxx95 wrote: »

Anyone's ears bleeding yet from extensive study of Deane?:cool::pac:

Am I the only one who thinks Deane is the best part of the course?

Ace_Ace

richardh330 wrote: »

Am I the only one who thinks Deane is the best part of the course?

Love it! so easy to distinguish the sections :P

ita1995

when was the last time deane came up as the maim question?

chatterboxxx95

ita1995 wrote: »

when was the last time deane came up as the maim question?

The last time our set was on, 2010!

Aw man I hate Deane, easy to distinguish sections,, not enjoyable to listen to :pac:

6thyearlife

Does anyone have notes on set works I could have? My teachers terrible and I really need good marks after how other exams have gone please HELP

richardh330

chatterboxxx95 wrote: »

not enjoyable to listen to :pac:

Deane didn't write the piece to be enjoyable. It's about death, when is that enjoyable? Although he does use some very funny techniques to convey it

evolving_doors

6thyearlife wrote: »

Does anyone have notes on set works I could have? My teachers terrible and I really need good marks after how other exams have gone please HELP

The set works used to be on the ppmta website
just google ppmta set works

6thyearlife

Armelodie wrote: »

The set works used to be on the ppmta website
just google ppmta set works

thanks but there doesnt seem to be much on them mostly youtube links

evolving_doors

richardh330 wrote: »

Deane didn't write the piece to be enjoyable. It's about death, when is that enjoyable? Although he does use some very funny techniques to convey it

Actually its about transformation .. Seachange is a reference to a shakespere quote about a body in the ocean becoming coral (rather than just a rotting corpse!)... So I spse you could mirror that with how the themes are transformed.

6thyearlife wrote: »

thanks but there doesnt seem to be much on them mostly youtube links

Ppmta site www.ppmta.ie
Menu
Resources
Syllabus resources (set b)

Try link herehereeee

All the notes in there are the ones provided to teachers so it should cover nearly everything
.
these were also at a teacher conference to act as a refresher to the works
Here

richardh330

Armelodie wrote: »

Actually its about transformation .. Seachange is a reference to a shakespere quote about a body in the ocean becoming coral (rather than just a rotting corpse!)... So I spse you could mirror that with how the themes are transformed.

You are 100% correct, but I can quote Deane himself,"Music is not always something to be enjoyed", referring to Seachanges. He also employs the idea of order and disorder in the piece which is very evident throughout.

Pidge96

Praying for an easy question 6!

Janeh9

Hoping for Berlioz or Dean for the long question anything to do with Ceilí Bands for the essay would be great and a minor melody for the composition paper

Rachel_96

Guys I'm wondering if someone can help me with Irish music? I'm so clueless at it.

How do you tell the differences between the dances? Like how do you know what a hornpipe sounds like, or a slip jig sounds like?
I know it's very bad not to know how to do this a few days before the exam, so someone help me!

a0ifee

Rachel_96 wrote: »

Guys I'm wondering if someone can help me with Irish music? I'm so clueless at it.

How do you tell the differences between the dances? Like how do you know what a hornpipe sounds like, or a slip jig sounds like?
I know it's very bad not to know how to do this a few days before the exam, so someone help me!

horn pipe - nearly always has an upbeat, you can fit "will you wash the bloomin' dishes" in the rhythm and it has a dotted rhythm
slip jig - Liverpool Everton Everton fits into the rhythm, they also tend to be fairly slow and graceful

If I was you I'd listen to a lot of dances in the next few days and practise the questions in the papers! I used to really struggle with the dance but I just kept doing questions

gal555

I thought I'd spend most of my time studying the irish essays because that's the main theory....
until I realized its only worth 2.5%!
Am I right yeah?
10 marks...

jamesmcdonald_

Does anyone know exactly how much detail we need to know each set work in?

chatterboxxx95

Random question guys, are we allowed 5 minutes to read the whole paper before the CD starts? I could really do with it, I find the listening an intensive paper. I don't know if we are supposed to get the same for other aurals but we certainly didn't. For irish our supervisor started the tape immediately, which was a pain as I only got the first 2 pages read. For spanish it was a bit better, but I still didn't have the whole thing read before the test proper had started.... I just seem to have vague memoried of having a nice amountof time in JC music to fill in little bits before the CD started...

lauramarie13

chatterboxxx95 wrote: »

Random question guys, are we allowed 5 minutes to read the whole paper before the CD starts? I could really do with it, I find the listening an intensive paper. I don't know if we are supposed to get the same for other aurals but we certainly didn't. For irish our supervisor started the tape immediately, which was a pain as I only got the first 2 pages read. For spanish it was a bit better, but I still didn't have the whole thing read before the test proper had started.... I just seem to have vague memoried of having a nice amountof time in JC music to fill in little bits before the CD started...

There's a test excerpt at the start of the CD to make sure everyone can hear it okay. That lasts for about 5 mins, and I think you can read over the paper during it (and obviously make sure you can hear the CD! ).

chatterboxxx95

lauramarie13 wrote: »

There's a test excerpt at the start of the CD to make sure everyone can hear it okay. That lasts for about 5 mins, and I think you can read over the paper during it (and obviously make sure you can hear the CD! ).

Yeah, I suppose it'll be grand, I just feel super stressed trying to read the paper when the test excerpt is playing :O

Does anyone have a 20th century piece of music essay, have a feeling it could come up we never did any irish music in class. We were handed a booklet of typed waffley essays and told to learn them all off in our own time problem with the irish education system right there.

Memories

How much is paper two worth? (composition) Because I had a terrible teacher who never taught it to us properly and I couldn't afford grinds, nor can I read music. (I'm self taught at guitar)

We done as part of our practical, four performed pieces, technology inputs and an unseen memory test.

I'm just wondering how much everything is worth? cause I'm scared to death for paper two and failing paper two...

Sarz21

Memories wrote: »

How much is paper two worth? (composition) Because I had a terrible teacher who never taught it to us properly and I couldn't afford grinds, nor can I read music. (I'm self taught at guitar)

We done as part of our practical, four performed pieces, technology inputs and an unseen memory test.

I'm just wondering how much everything is worth? cause I'm scared to death for paper two and failing paper two...

The composing is worth 100 marks which is 25%, you do one question for Q1, 2 + 3, and another Q from 4, 5 +6. But think of it this way, if you did well in your practical you've the exam passed as it is Learn your paper 1 really well and you should do fine!

Also, any predictions for essay topics? Last minute revision is stressing me out

Rachel_96

Any ideas on essay topics?

yoajing

Would it be safe to say that the 25 mark q on paper 1 is worth around 7%?

I'm so anxious for tomorrow! I got a C1 even though I started studying the subject in 6th year in the middle of December. And since I'm repeating the lc, I'm hoping to get a higher grade.

jamesmcdonald_

Beatles 50th Anniversary there on monday. Possible Q1??

julie2tubz

Sean nos and/or influence in North America for Irish essay. Haven't been up for the last few years.

chatterboxxx95

Very possible, just looking through papers and it might be a bit too predictable to give us mozart ! anyone know where i can get the aural files for 2003/2002, edco the C U Next Tuesdays have bloody put the papers in the exam papers and no tracks on the cd... and they're not on sec :(

Memories

I'm thinking Influences on North America, Sean-Nos, Ornamentation and The Collectors.

Then that YouTube guy went and said the same ones so....

yoajing

They could pull a 'Heaney' trick on us and instead put Mozart/The Beatles on Q6.

evolving_doors

Rachel_96 wrote: »

Any ideas on essay topics?

Sean Ó Riada would cover a good few...

Innovation in irish music.
Irish group (ceoiltoirí cualinn)
Irish composer
Music in 20th century
Fusion in irish music

feckin priests

If minor melody and a nice Q.5 on composing paper come up I'll be sortrd. Im fairly clueless when it comes to the listening though

yoajing

jamesmcdonald_ wrote: »

Does anyone know exactly how much detail we need to know each set work in?

If you think about it, we've been studying the set work for two years. Thus we're expected to be proficient and familiar with the techniques used, instrumentation, cadences, dynamics etc in each piece. But I feel that even if you haven't studied that well, you could still get a good few marks if you're naturally musical and have a good ear.

Joey!!

Guys i'm so confused! When your doing a minor melody do you always raise the seventh or only when rising?

Edit: its ok crisis resolved I figured it out

millypop

you think seán nós, collectors, north america, regional styles, dancing and Seán O Riada is enough for irish essays??? One is more than likely to appear?!

yoajing

gal555 wrote: »

I thought I'd spend most of my time studying the irish essays because that's the main theory....
until I realized its only worth 2.5%!
Am I right yeah?
10 marks...

Q1 6%
Q2 2.5%
Q3 2.5%
Q4 2.5%
Q5 6%
Q6A 4%
Q6B 2.5%

evolving_doors

Joey!! wrote: »

Guys i'm so confused! When your doing a minor melody do you always raise the seventh or only when rising?

If you are not too sure with melodic minor then stick with harmonic...

so harmonic ..."if in doubt, leave 6 out and always use raised 7th"

Melodic.. Going up RAISE 6 and 7.. Moving down then lower back to the natural..

chatterboxxx95

Armelodie wrote: »

Sean Ó Riada would cover a good few...

Innovation in irish music.
Irish group (ceoiltoirí cualinn)
Irish composer
Music in 20th century
Fusion in irish music

If an irish group came and I used ceoltoiri cualainn, how much info on them do I need, the bit I have in my general sean o riada essay is only a paragraph anywhere I could get more info?

manyoung

With When Im 64, its sped up to Db, so what would the key be if asked? C or Db?

booblefoop

manyoung wrote: »

With When Im 64, its sped up to Db, so what would the key be if asked? C or Db?

I'd assume Db because we're studying the final version, yeah?

julie2tubz

manyoung wrote: »

With When Im 64, its sped up to Db, so what would the key be if asked? C or Db?

It was only Paul's vocals that were sped up from what I've read. So answer Db.

evolving_doors

chatterboxxx95 wrote: »

If an irish group came and I used ceoltoiri cualainn, how much info on them do I need, the bit I have in my general sean o riada essay is only a paragraph anywhere I could get more info?

It's supposed to be 4 good points of musical substance. i.e. talk about the music ..and its impact. How it differed from what was going on at the time i.e. Ceili band format of belting out the tune in monophonic delivery, whereas O Riada's group CC had a 'layered' effect with different soloists/groups coming in and out at different times. Function of the Ceili Band was to dance to.. Function of CC was to listen to..

'Ril mhor bhaile an chalaidh'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_nqFPvhPZo

oliverob123

Is it ok to take the ordinary paper today i have done higher all along ?

julie2tubz

oliverob123 wrote: »

Is it ok to take the ordinary paper today i have done higher all along ?

Technically you can but just stick with the honours I would say. There isn't much of a difference between the 2. You'll be able for it. Don't let it stress you.

a0ifee

what key was question one in the composing paper?

FlyingIrishMan

a0ifee wrote: »

what key was question one in the composing paper?

B flat major I think.

a0ifee

FlyingIrishMan wrote: »

B flat major I think.

thank God

booblefoop

Did anyone else find that harmony question impossible? Where were the cadences??

a0ifee

booblefoop wrote: »

Did anyone else find that harmony question impossible? Where were the cadences??

yes thank you everyone was saying it was fine and I was like what the hell was that?
I put in cadences but I'm not 100% sure of them. I thought it was really difficult!


also: ostinato or sequence?

booblefoop

a0ifee wrote: »

yes thank you everyone was saying it was fine and I was like what the hell was that?
I put in cadences but I'm not 100% sure of them. I thought it was really difficult!


also: ostinato or sequence?

Yeah, I completely had to guess at the cadences, hopefully they won't take off too many marks if they're wrong

I think it was a sequence, I'm not 100% sure what an ostinato is but I think it's a sequence that doesn't change pitch when it's repeated.

a0ifee

I say you won't, I didn't even put cadence points in both of my pres and still got high marks in the backing!