The Sweet Science

walshb

Manny Pacquiao out of range and against a mover never impressed me. When in perfect range and letting the hands go he looks great, but only really straight shots. He's not at all a fluid/varied hitter. Looks cumbersome and awkward when he tries to mix the shots up. Next to no inside game. Looks uncomfortable on the inside. Very similar to Khan is his punching variation and inside game. They look awkward.

Even Manny's most awe inspiring win, his KO of Hatton, he looked awkward and offensively reckless. Head down at times and swinging!

Panic E

Interesting little tidbit here lads. Look at the style similarities between them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lxhnog9zU5g

cowzerp

walshb wrote: »

I think you're right, AND as regards title defenses and reign and impact he's right near the top. Look at what he he did in that 4 year span from 1986-1989. Apart from Louis/Ali and Holmes it's possibly the best resume of the rest.

was a massive Tyson fan but his resume wasn't great at all, Bruno was probably his best win!

walshb wrote: »

As to Foreman. I think a lot of people base the claim on Foreman beating Tyson on the fact that he destroyed Frazier. Now, anyone trying to say it's a similar outcome is BS to me. Tyson offers a whole lot more than Frazier and his straight in and left hook. Tyson's feet are faster, hands faster and he uses angles. He was a deadly power punching machine, who also took a great shot. He had a far more varied punching attack than Frazier. Foreman was wild/wide and hittable, and he could be dropped.

Foreman had a chin of granite, Ali dropped him by fatigue and the only time he was anyway hurt was by Ron Lyle

Foreman to me would have been a nightmare for Mike.
He was big strong with a great heart and George actually had great footwork, something people often over look, Mikes biggest weakness was he did struggle when lads put it up to him

with that said, Mike could have ko'd anyone so was always in with a shot

walshb wrote: »

FTA69, who have you got with a 21 year old Tyson vs. the 1991/1992 Holyfield?

Holyfield always. He was made to fight Tyson, Stamina, chin, courage and he had respectable power too
I genuinely don't know how Tyson could have beat Evander

pac_man wrote: »

Punching power! Is it something you improve with technique or are you born with it?

Punching power is nature given but can be improved on with technique
A weak puncher will never become a big puncher no matter what they do

Diddley Squat

walshb

cowzerp wrote: »

was a massive Tyson fan but his resume wasn't great at all, Bruno was probably his best win!

Foreman had a chin of granite, Ali dropped him by fatigue and the only time he was anyway hurt was by Ron Lyle

Foreman to me would have been a nightmare for Mike.
He was big strong with a great heart and George actually had great footwork, something people often over look, Mikes biggest weakness was he did struggle when lads put it up to him

with that said, Mike could have ko'd anyone so was always in with a shot

Two Foreman's. 1970s and the 2nd era. Do you think a peak Tyson beats neither man?

cowzerp

walshb wrote: »

Two Foreman's. 1970s and the 2nd era. Do you think a peak Tyson beats neither man?

1st 1 definitely not, 2nd 1 is hard to say as he still had the chin and the power

I do prefer to compare them both at peak though, and i think his peak was when he was retired unfortunately, Mike was jailed during peak years but he was an early peaker at 20 or so

walshb

cowzerp wrote: »

1st 1 definitely not, 2nd 1 is hard to say as he still had the chin and the power

I do prefer to compare them both at peak though, and i think his peak was when he was retired unfortunately, Mike was jailed during peak years but he was an early peaker at 20 or so

It's funny, although I believe Foreman 1 to be more a monster than Foreman 2, Foreman 2 was probably a more rounded fighter. I think the peak Tyson might just be too quick for Foreman. Not one shot, but 3-4 rapid fire heavy shots. I see him really buzzing and stunning Foreman, Foreman could be dropped and hurt. Tyson brings so much more artillery and speed than Frazier. Mike also took a better shot, and had a a better defense.