Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Notes in OP,22/7

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Spazdarn

Pro. F wrote: »

Where are you getting this from? That's not how buyout clauses work at all. For example, every player in Spain has to have a buyout clause in their contract, it's a legal requirement. The clauses are nearly always set at some ridiculous figure so that they become meaningless and are ignored in transfer negotiations. The vast majority of transfers in Spain conclude with fees well below the buyout clause.

If a club thinks they're getting good value for the fee offered, then they will sell. They'll pay zero attention to the buyout clause if it's set too high.

It's still a figure they quote when trying to wrangle a few million more out of the English teams though.

Portuguese teams seem sticky enough to haggle down from the buyout clause

Pro. F

ToiletFusion wrote: »

It's still a figure they quote when trying to wrangle a few million more out of the English teams though.

Portuguese teams seem sticky enough to haggle down from the buyout clause

Maybe Portuguese teams are. I'd need to see plenty of evidence before I'd be convinced. It's certainly not true for buyout clauses in general.

Mitch Connor

Pro. F wrote: »

Maybe Portuguese teams are. I'd need to see plenty of evidence before I'd be convinced. It's certainly not true for buyout clauses in general.

to be fair, it depends on the player and the buyout clause. Some are massively unrealistic, some offer something a bit closer to value.

If the buyout clause is €40million or lower, I would say the deal will generally be done at close to that, unless the contract is running down etc. However, I don't think it would take €1billion (reported buy out for Ronaldo) to get Real to sell him.

The buyout clause has to be agreed with the player, as far as I know, so it makes sense that in some cases the buyout clause should be somewhat realistic.

Spazdarn

Pro. F wrote: »

Maybe Portuguese teams are. I'd need to see plenty of evidence before I'd be convinced. It's certainly not true for buyout clauses in general.

Mario Gotze and Martinez were both bought by Bayern for their exact release clause.

Though Arsenal's cheeky 40,000,001 bid didn't get accepted though it was a pound more than Suarez's clause?

I also read a case where Liverpool bid for a player, bid the specified amount and the Chairman of the club, just didn't bothered signing off on the document!

TheTownie

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Au revoir Evra.

Adamocovic

So Evra has asked to leave, we'll need cover in left back position now so, and United can sign Sneijder for 16 million.

Don't know if we should tbh, he's a good player, 30 years old though, and it seems like every year he has been linked with us ha.

Quandary

Fcuk Sneijder. We already have more no.10s than we know what to do with!

Mitch Connor

ToiletFusion wrote: »

Mario Gotze and Martinez were both bought by Bayern for their exact release clause.

Though Arsenal's cheeky 40,000,001 bid didn't get accepted though it was a pound more than Suarez's clause?

I also read a case where Liverpool bid for a player, bid the specified amount and the Chairman of the club, just didn't bothered signing off on the document!

Liverpool got done the same way they did arsenal. The bids should have been accepted, but in both cases the selling clubs just said - take us to court if you want, fcuk you.

Vic Vinegar

TheTownie wrote: »

Au revoir Evra.

Surely wouldn't be Evra related? it's hardly a secret anymore.

Pro. F

ToiletFusion wrote: »

Mario Gotze and Martinez were both bought by Bayern for their exact release clause.

Though Arsenal's cheeky 40,000,001 bid didn't get accepted though it was a pound more than Suarez's clause?

I also read a case where Liverpool bid for a player, bid the specified amount and the Chairman of the club, just didn't bothered signing off on the document!

So Gotze and Martinez are another two players that went for their buyout clause and we could probably name a few more of we thought about it. That's still a miniscule number compared to the number of players who have buyout clauses.

Mitch Connor

Bombleswizzum wrote: »

Surely wouldn't be Evra related? it's hardly a secret anymore.

he is known for building up his tweets, and then delivering some well known underwhelming news. He loves the clickbait.

FutureGuy

Mitch Connor wrote: »

he is known for building up his tweets, and then delivering some well known underwhelming news. He loves the clickbait.

Yeah I'm pretty sure it's Evra.

Pro. F

Mitch Connor wrote: »

to be fair, it depends on the player and the buyout clause. Some are massively unrealistic, some offer something a bit closer to value.

If the buyout clause is €40million or lower, I would say the deal will generally be done at close to that, unless the contract is running down etc. However, I don't think it would take €1billion (reported buy out for Ronaldo) to get Real to sell him.

The buyout clause has to be agreed with the player, as far as I know, so it makes sense that in some cases the buyout clause should be somewhat realistic.

I wouldn't be surprised if the insane inflation in recent years has caught the Spanish selling clubs off guard with how they've set their clauses. €40m was an impossible fee for a prospect just a few seasons ago.

Al Capwned

Can't say I'm disappointed to see Evra's departure, if it does come to pass.
He seems like a nice fella, and was (at least for a time) obviously a great character in the dressing room.

The last couple of seasons however, have seen him decline dramatically as a defender.
What is plain to see now however in the aftermath of Evra and Buttner leaving, is two fold. One, Shaw is going to be playing a lot of matches as a first choice left back, and two, we now need to get backup in for LB and RB. Persisting with Evans at LB, and Jones or Smalling at RB is something that cannot be allowed to continue.

redbaron_99

Al Capwned wrote: »

Can't say I'm disappointed to see Evra's departure, if it does come to pass.
He seems like a nice fella, and was (at least for a time) obviously a great character in the dressing room.

The last couple of seasons however, have seen him decline dramatically as a defender.
What is plain to see now however in the aftermath of Evra and Buttner leaving, is two fold. One, Shaw is going to be playing a lot of matches as a first choice left back, and two, we now need to get backup in for LB and RB. Persisting with Evans at LB, and Jones or Smalling at RB is something that cannot be allowed to continue.

Varela and Janko are both available. They have to be given a shot at some point.

MagicIRL

The young lad Keane at CB can cover LB too, or am I wrong?

UnitedIrishman

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Liverpool got done the same way they did arsenal. The bids should have been accepted, but in both cases the selling clubs just said - take us to court if you want, fcuk you.

I thought it was a case of Arsenal thinking there was a buyout clause and then looking ridiculous when there was no such thing in his contract. Otherwise when the bid was made Suarez would have automatically been able to speak to Arsenal regardless.

Giggsy11

MagicIRL wrote: »

The young lad Keane at CB can cover LB too, or am I wrong?

IIRC he played as RB before but not as LB.

Mitch Connor

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

I thought it was a case of Arsenal thinking there was a buyout clause and then looking ridiculous when there was no such thing in his contract. Otherwise when the bid was made Suarez would have automatically been able to speak to Arsenal regardless.

Liveprool owner admitted they simply bluffed arsenal on it - they met the clause, Liverpool just told them no anyway.

Nalz

ToiletFusion wrote: »

Though Arsenal's cheeky 40,000,001 bid didn't get accepted though it was a pound more than Suarez's clause?

Wasn't the 40m+ bid clause only permitting Suarez to speak to other clubs and\or discuss new contract with Pool, and not automatic acceptance clause?

MagicIRL

Peanut Butter Jelly

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Varela and Janko are both available. They have to be given a shot at some point.

I fully agree they need game time, but say Shaw is out, and we're playing Chelsea at the Bridge. Would you prefer to see Janko or the likes of Blind playing there.

I have no problem with young guys playing, it's part of United's style, but I would be happier to see it against Hull/Cardiff/West Brom calibre teams.

TheDoc

Pro. F wrote: »

Where are you getting this from? That's not how buyout clauses work at all. For example, every player in Spain has to have a buyout clause in their contract, it's a legal requirement. The clauses are nearly always set at some ridiculous figure so that they become meaningless and are ignored in transfer negotiations. The vast majority of transfers in Spain conclude with fees well below the buyout clause.

If a club thinks they're getting good value for the fee offered, then they will sell. They'll pay zero attention to the buyout clause if it's set too high.

In the case where a highly sought after player is wanted, I can't remember a time where a Spanish club has not sat back and pointed to the buyout clause, in the case where the player hasn't handed in an official transfer request.

Yeah sure, if your buying average play B and the club don't see a future for him, of course its within their best interest to not hold out for the buyout in order to get a sale.

But in the case of highly sought after players, who generate interest and are hot properties, most clubs will point to the buyout clause.

Pro. F

If Blind hadn't been selected by Van Gaal he wouldn't have been mentioned once on this thread. I'm not saying that we shouldn't be interested if the price is right, but it's funny to see him talked about so much now.

glued

Duncan Castles is full of rubbish. He just posts up a link to some stupid site with a garbage article for clicks.

Peanut Butter Jelly

Pro. F wrote: »

If Blind hadn't been selected by Van Gaal he wouldn't have been mentioned once on this thread. I'm not saying that we shouldn't be interested if the price is right, but it's funny to see him talked about so much now.

He's Dutch, simple as. We'll be linked to every Dutch player with a modicum of talent until the transfer window closes.

Cypher_sounds

Was i right in hearing Evra signed a one year extension at the end of the season gone? Or is he going on a free?

Vic Vinegar

Cypher_sounds wrote: »

Was i right in hearing Evra signed a one year extension at the end of the season gone? Or is he going on a free?

Utd activated an extra year on his contract (due to games played or something) that's why we're getting a fee for him.

ElChe32

Cypher_sounds wrote: »

Was i right in hearing Evra signed a one year extension at the end of the season gone? Or is he going on a free?

Yeah he signed the one year extension, it was in his last contract that he would get the year extension. We'll get a few bob for Pat.