Speeding fine challenge

RoboRat

I got a speeding fine and I have 2 issues, firstly, I am nearly 100% sure that I was in a different county when this allegedly happened - I am checking a receipt to see if I can prove this and secondly, the fine came with a picture of my reg but the picture is of the back of the car. I thought that speeding cameras took your onward momentum so how could they take a photo of the back of my car? Is this possible?

Bio Mech

The second point is silly. The speed detection is as you approach the camera/van but the picture can be taken at any point of the vehicle that registered above the limit. The picture is just to confirm identity the picture taking camera itself does not register the speed.

The first point is up to you but if you have a picture and its clearly your car I cant see you getting away with it.

sebastianlieken

There are no little tell-tale differences between your car and the car in the photograph?

It's possible that somebody with the same make/model & colour of your car is fraudulantly using a copy of your numberplate for evading speeding/petrol station offences; It's not uncommon.

Whether the photo is of the front or the back of your car makes no difference at all.

Whether you can prove with a receipt or card transaction that you were in a different county at the time makes a very big difference.

Dangel4x4

RoboRat wrote: »

the fine came with a picture of my reg but the picture is of the back of the car. I thought that speeding cameras took your onward momentum so how could they take a photo of the back of my car? Is this possible?

Onward momentum? What is that?

The back of your car will generally be going at the same speed as the front of your car, so the direction they get you from is irrelevant.

Some Gardai like parking on slip roads with a speed gun so you can't see them as you blow by, and they can get you from behind....

Zubeneschamali

First request a copy of the whole picture, not just the crop of your license.

It is possible that someone stuck your license number onto another car (stolen or written off/kinda repaired). You might be able to see some detailed difference in the full shot.

Or you might see that it is your car, and that you're not quite 100% correct.

maceocc2

Bio Mech wrote: »

The first point is up to you but if you have a picture and its clearly your car I cant see you getting away with it.

That's not completely accurate, it might be his car, but he's not liable if can prove he wasn't driving it.

Dangel4x4

maceocc2 wrote: »

That's not completely accurate, it might be his car, but he's not liable if can prove he wasn't driving it.

It's not about him proving he wasn't driving.

If it IS his car and he wasn't driving - he has to say who was driving or else he is still liable.

In order to get off you have to put the blame on someone else. Simples.

citizensinformation.ie wrote:

What happens if someone else was driving my vehicle?

In cases where the driving offence was detected by camera, the fixed charge notice is sent to the registered owner of the vehicle. If the registered owner was not driving at the time of the offence they should complete the form attached to the notice, giving details of the person who was driving. This should then be returned to the relevant Garda Station with the original fixed charge notice. (Do not enclose payment). The Gardaí will then issue a fixed charge notice to the driver.

maceocc2

You're correct, but if he doesn't know who was driving he can still opt to contest the fine in court with evidence that he wasn't in the country.

Dangel4x4

maceocc2 wrote: »

You're correct, but if he doesn't know who was driving he can still opt to contest the fine in court with evidence that he wasn't in the country.

Good luck with that strategy - from my reading of his post the OP doesn't have evidence he wasn't in the country.

I am nearly 100% sure that I was in a different county when this allegedly happened - I am checking a receipt to see if I can prove this

Maybe the OP should get his evidence lined up (if he has any), and consult a solicitor who deals with road traffic offences and knows what he's talking about?

Kop On

RoboRat wrote: »

the fine came with a picture of my reg but the picture is of the back of the car. I thought that speeding cameras took your onward momentum so how could they take a photo of the back of my car? Is this possible?

Maybe your car was travelling so fast they could only get a picture of the back of your car!

In all seriousness though, that's the first time I've heard someone getting a picture of the back of the car.

ustari

My dad went to court with a speeding fine and argued that the picture did not show him clearly driving the car and he got away with it, didn't have to blame it on anyone.

Bio Mech

maceocc2 wrote: »

You're correct, but if he doesn't know who was driving he can still opt to contest the fine in court with evidence that he wasn't in the country.

Op said county not country.

Dangel4x4

ustari wrote: »

My dad went to court with a speeding fine and argued that the picture did not show him clearly driving the car and he got away with it, didn't have to blame it on anyone.

Your face isn't required to be in the photo.

Sure what if you were on a motorbike wearing a helmet?

djimi

maceocc2 wrote: »

You're correct, but if he doesn't know who was driving he can still opt to contest the fine in court with evidence that he wasn't in the country.

Youre supposed to know who was driving your car. Its basically going to be one of three posibilities; either you were driving the car, someone you know was driving the car with your permission (in which case you nominate them for the points/fine), or the car is reported stolen. If the car isnt reported as stolen, and you cant nominate someone then its on you.

Unless you can prove conclusively from the pictures, or with evidence that proves that the car was elsewhere, that the car in question is not yours (my father got a speeding fine before where the Jeep badge was clearly visible on what was supposed to be a Mitsubishi Lancer!).

RustyNut

Cloned reg maybe ?

maceocc2

Bio Mech wrote: »

Op said county not country.

Haha I missed that...yea difficult to prove and evidence could challenged depending on how far away OP was meant to be

The Dagda

ustari wrote: »

My dad went to court with a speeding fine and argued that the picture did not show him clearly driving the car and he got away with it, didn't have to blame it on anyone.

Lies.

jca

Kop On wrote: »

Maybe your car was travelling so fast they could only get a picture of the back of your car!

In all seriousness though, that's the first time I've heard someone getting a picture of the back of the car.

I got nabbed in a Transit and it was the rear plate in the photograph.

keithclancy

The Dagda wrote: »

Lies.

Someone could have been wearing a cut out mask of the OPs face while driving a similar car ...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2646178/Chef-dubbed-Germanys-Gordon-Ramsay-refuses-pay-speeding-fine-claiming-person-driving-wearing-cut-mask-face.html

ustari

The Dagda wrote: »

Lies.

Yeah he's a bastard for lying that fella.

I'm probably not even his son.

The Dagda

ustari wrote: »

Yeah he's a bastard for lying that fella.

I'm probably not even his son.

The picture in a speed camera case is ONLY to identify the vehicle.
An unclear picture of the driver is no defence.

pippip

Speed van cameras monitor both sides of the road depending on the position they are placed. So obviously fines for traffic in one direction are photos of the front of the car and fines for the other direction are photos of the back of the car.