People who use green diesel

carzony

What's your opinions on this? I'v been driving petrol cars all my life but my neighbour recently bought a 00 passat 1.9tdi and for the first time ever he's been using the ''green stuff'' Apparently he's saving a fortune and doesnt really care about the damage to the engine as it's only a 00 yoke. He says he only needs it for a year or so.

Have many people here used it and if not would you?

Sir Arthur Daley

Using it in my tractors all the time.

Noccy_Mondy

We have a tank at home full of green diesel, for the farm. I wouldn't even consider putting it into the car. Not worth the risk. Surely the first time you would put green in, you would meet the customs dipping. Isn't the fine something like €2,000?

Dartz

I put purple food colouring into the tank once...

Just to weird out the customs agents.

K.Flyer

Putting Green diesel into his fuel tank won't do much or any harm to his car. Its the chemical process to remove the green dye is what can cause damage to engines.
The damage will be the problems he will have if his fuel tank is checked by Custom and Excise by the side of the road and the penalties he will incur.

corkgsxr

The scaremongering that they've mixed with the diesel wont do any damage.

same as normal diesel

mullingar

+1,

Green diesel is 100% safe in any diesel engine. The only risk you run is breaking the law.

Its poorly washed diesel (removing the dye) that destroys engines as they dont remove the acids that were mixed in with the the green diesel that were added to breakdown the dye.



Actually thinking about it, green diesel its probably the best stuff you can use in a modern diesel engine as you know it is not washed in any way.

cabb8ge

If I use it I tell no one

vibe666

you'd want to be some kind of muppet to tell anyone if you were using it. keep it under your hat.

djimi

Out of interest, what are the chances of actually ever getting dipped? Do they target people that they know own a green diesel tank, or is it literally just pull over a random diesel car and test it? Because I know of plenty of people who drive diesels and have never heard of anyone being stopped and tested.

No Pants

vibe666 wrote: »

you'd want to be some kind of muppet to tell anyone if you were using it. keep it under your hat.

But you wouldn't be able to travel very far with such a small amount.

jimgoose

djimi wrote: »

Out of interest, what are the chances of actually ever getting dipped? Do they target people that they know own a green diesel tank, or is it literally just pull over a random diesel car and test it? Because I know of plenty of people who drive diesels and have never heard of anyone being stopped and tested.

I think you have more chance of getting dipped out in the boondocks. I remember in the old days a lot of farmers would have a big old diesel tank in the yard for tractors and what-not, and they wouldn't be above putting a drop into the oul' Bluebird. This was around the time Revenue figured out beefy fines was the only way they could try to deter this.

MugMugs

djimi wrote: »

Out of interest, what are the chances of actually ever getting dipped? Do they target people that they know own a green diesel tank, or is it literally just pull over a random diesel car and test it? Because I know of plenty of people who drive diesels and have never heard of anyone being stopped and tested.

I went through a stage of being dipped monthly.

Haven't been done in a while though.

djimi

MugMugs wrote: »

I went through a stage of being dipped monthly.

Haven't been done in a while though.

Where was this happening to you? Was it just a case of being randomly pulled over and tested, or have they reason to suspect that you might be up to something (ie have you/a family member got a farm with green diesel tank?)

My experience of driving is mostly rural, and to be honest I dont think I know of anyone who has ever been stopped and tested.

MugMugs

Random checkpoints on the N2 mainly but a few times in Swords and once in Blanch.

All checkpoints though. Not out just for me.

They love the N2. Nice straight road and bog all turn offs.

mloc123

Used to be regular tests on the N4 between Kinnegad and Kilcock before the M4 opened. Usually in the mornings and targeting builders/commercial vehicles. I have not seen a checkpoint in years now.

djimi

Maybe I have seen them so and just didnt pay any attention as they werent intersted in my petrol car

blackbird98

I have often seen customs dipping tanks. but mine was never checked. I reckon they profile people / cars and check at random

deckycoop

green diesel is a ting of the past around my way..
its all kerosene. white kero not red. and a litre of cooking oil..

or so i have being told..

Fred Swanson

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vibe666

possibly a silly question, but do they literally just dip a yoke into your filler cap/hole yoke?

if that IS the case, then surely if you were making a habit of it, you could just have a pipe into a closed bottle at the bottom of the filler hole with regular diesel in it and have a 2nd filler hole into the tank in the boot to fill secretly?

gizmo555

vibe666 wrote: »

possibly a silly question, but do they literally just dip a yoke into your filler cap/hole yoke?

if that IS the case, then surely if you were making a habit of it, you could just have a pipe into a closed bottle at the bottom of the filler hole with regular diesel in it and have a 2nd filler hole into the tank in the boot to fill secretly?

Many years ago, when I worked weekends in a South Dublin filling station which had a marked diesel pump, we had a regular customer who had exactly this arrangment.

cabb8ge

vibe666 wrote: »

possibly a silly question, but do they literally just dip a yoke into your filler cap/hole yoke?

if that IS the case, then surely if you were making a habit of it, you could just have a pipe into a closed bottle at the bottom of the filler hole with regular diesel in it and have a 2nd filler hole into the tank in the boot to fill secretly?

they often sample from fuel filter feed or leak off point, somewhere like that

MugMugs

Or just stick a second tank into the wheel well and drain that leaving the "clean" stuff in the main tank.

Fred Swanson

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MugMugs

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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I thought the Sulphur content had evened out between clean and green ?

cabb8ge

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Car with dirty air filter smokier than car with clean filter etc, no way that customs personnel can tell anything from smoke levels. Remember too that modern tractor engine extremely sophisticated engine, green diesel is perfect as a fuel.

Fred Swanson

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MugMugs

cabb8ge wrote: »

Car with dirty air filter smokier than car with clean filter etc, no way that customs personnel can tell anything from smoke levels. Remember too that modern tractor engine extremely sophisticated engine, green diesel is perfect as a fuel.

A tell tale was the rear cluster above the exhaust was generally darker when a motor ran on Green / Red.

It was smokier.

Gazzmonkey

djimi wrote: »

Out of interest, what are the chances of actually ever getting dipped? Do they target people that they know own a green diesel tank, or is it literally just pull over a random diesel car and test it? Because I know of plenty of people who drive diesels and have never heard of anyone being stopped and tested.

Was once stopped in a transit van years ago, the sample came out as clear as water so of I went about my business.

This was in NI come to think of it!

corkgsxr

cabb8ge wrote: »

they often sample from fuel filter feed or leak off point, somewhere like that

Couldn't see that happening. They'd have to have a mechanic ready too.

ever touch a fuel filter on a transit. Instant airlock. And its a hooor to get right.

corkgsxr

I also hear everytime you fill up with green diesel a baby angel dies.

government research to back it up



The rumor mill has done more to stop people using green diesel than fines.

cabb8ge

MugMugs wrote: »

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It was smokier.

not applicable to present day

MugMugs

cabb8ge wrote: »

not applicable to present day

The remnants remain. It wasn't too long ago.

Fred Swanson

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HQ

MugMugs wrote: »

I went through a stage of being dipped monthly.

Haven't been done in a while though.

Is it not a case of once you use dyed diesel the dye can remain and taint the diesel for months after?

Fred Swanson

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corkgsxr

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Couldn't see it happening. Sorry just don't believe it

Fred Swanson

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CJhaughey

corkgsxr wrote: »

Couldn't see it happening. Sorry just don't believe it

Happened to my BIL.
No reason to disbelieve his version of events.

JohnBoy26

Imo the green stuff is far more dirty than the regular stuff. On tractors, unless the the filters are changed regularly they get blocked from the dirt in the diesel.

JBokeh

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Imo the green stuff is far more dirty than the regular stuff. On tractors, unless the the filters are changed regularly they get blocked from the dirt in the diesel.

Usually because you'd fill it from an old drum,or a plastic tank in the yard,which you'd have a better chance of getting dirt into,and therefore out of and into the tractor. You wouldn't fill the car from an old oil drum that you keep thrown in the corner of the garden,and if you did the filter would get blocked if you make a habit out of it,from drawing through a little bit of dirt every time

JohnBoy26

JBokeh wrote: »

Usually because you'd fill it from an old drum,or a plastic tank in the yard,which you'd have a better chance of getting dirt into,and therefore out of and into the tractor. You wouldn't fill the car from an old oil drum that you keep thrown in the corner of the garden,and if you did the filter would get blocked if you make a habit out of it,from drawing through a little bit of dirt every time

No I'm pretty sure it was in the diesel itself.

vandriver

New marking system later in the year.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/consumer/new-marker-to-be-used-to-combat-fuel-laundering-1.1690224

gctest50

MugMugs wrote: »

Or just stick a second tank into the wheel well and drain that leaving the "clean" stuff in the main tank.

If you have a second tank fitted they will/can seize the vehicle

Noccy_Mondy

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Imo the green stuff is far more dirty than the regular stuff. On tractors, unless the the filters are changed regularly they get blocked from the dirt in the diesel.

Ya, agree with you there. We have a proper tank with the same nozzle yoke as at petrol stations. The filter's do be in a bad state after a year (if they even last that long!!)

Then again, the filters that are put in wouldn't be the best.

dgt

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Imo the green stuff is far more dirty than the regular stuff. On tractors, unless the the filters are changed regularly they get blocked from the dirt in the diesel.

In many cases I've seen a good few tractors with thousands of hours with the filter never changed, only for the filter to come off and be relatively clean inside.

In contrast, I once got less than 5k miles from a filter on my car. The fathers van got it's filter clogged many times too, hence we carry spare filters.

Agri stuff I find is much cleaner than white. Seeing as we have a tractor, I should know

BnB

A few comments -

When I was up and down to Cork (from Limerick) I used to be stopped and dipped fairly regularly (About once a year) on the Mallow road. Haven't seen them now in about 4 years though. They would regularly hit the likes of Marts etc where they would meet a good few farmers.

A neighbour of mine got caught rotten about 3 years ago. He had a tipper truck dipped and caught on a building site. But then that evening they showed up and dipped everything at his house. They got him again with an old jeep that wasn't even taxed & insured and was only used for going up the fields. He got fined €2,500 X 2 - €5k in total. There was no mercy. Revenue are going for the maximum fines every time, I presume to act as a deterrent.

Another friend of mine refused to let them go messing with the filter on his van. He told them that if they came back with a Renault mechanic (it was a span new Renault van) they could do it. He had nothing to hide but he just didn't want some unqualified glorified administrator messing about under his bonnet. They weren't happy but dipped his tank and sodded off.

MugMugs

HQ wrote: »

Is it not a case of once you use dyed diesel the dye can remain and taint the diesel for months after?

I believe that to be correct. I must clarify however, what I mean by done is dipped. I don't use Agri Diesel.

gctest50 wrote: »

If you have a second tank fitted they will/can seize the vehicle

I imagine so. If they find it.

Fred Swanson

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Ryath

Was stopped last week between Moate and Athlone. Would see them a couple of times a year around Athlone. Have always been waved through before. He asked me where I buy my diesel. Had to point out I don't my car is petrol. 2008 2L Mondeo estate most people assume that class of car was diesel.