so Iraq is falling apart again

Raging_Ninja

video footage of fighting in Iraq (no gore, but lots of shooting).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7TB9-S9Ru8

Insurgents have taken control of Samarra, and there is fierce fighting in Mosul. Iraqi government doesn't look like it is capable of containing this, at least not yet. This group seems to be affiliated with those fighting in Syria.

Pawn

Was it ever together since the States brought them "democracy"?

catallus

Holy shít!

When did this start!?

ToddyDoody

The music is freaky. Seems religiousy... which is, I believe, at the core of it

The Backwards Man

catallus wrote: »

Holy shít!

When did this start!?

October 10, 680 AD

In Karbala, ironically enough.

wazky

catallus wrote: »

When did this start!?

Around about the dawn of time.

Raging_Ninja

NY Times article on the fighting in Samara:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/06/world/middleeast/samarra-strike-sunni-militants-storm-central-iraqi-city.html

In Brazen Strike, Sunni Militants Storm Central Iraqi City
By KAREEM FAHIMJUNE 5, 2014

BAGHDAD — Hundreds of Sunni militants stormed the central Iraqi city of Samarra early Thursday, taking control of neighborhoods and government buildings in a siege that provoked a panicked government counteroffensive to prevent the loss of the town.

The army rushed troops, backed by helicopters, to Samarra, and by Thursday evening, government officials claimed that the gunmen had largely been routed. Residents, though, said that at least two neighborhoods remained at least partly under control of the militants, who raised the flag of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria over several government buildings.

Fallujah has been controlled by the insurgents for the last 6 months.

Tail Docker

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

Fallujah has been controlled by the insurgents for the last 6 months.

Hard to know who the insurgents are and who the good guys are these days.

I'd say your average Iraqi civilian is delighted with the new found liberty now that the heavy yoke of Saddam Hussein has been cast off. A much more free, stable and secular Nation has emerged. Good job it isn't a ruined, religious mess like Afghanistan. Or Syria. Or Libya.

Raging_Ninja

Tail Docker wrote: »

Hard to know who the insurgents are and who the good guys are these days.

I'm not making a moral argument when I call them insurgents - they are insurgents, as opposed to armed forces of the state.

Wacker The Attacker

Tail Docker wrote: »

Hard to know who the insurgents are and who the good guys are these days.

I'd say your average Iraqi civilian is delighted with the new found liberty now that the heavy yoke of Saddam Hussein has been cast off. A much more free, stable and secular Nation has emerged. Good job it isn't a ruined, religious mess like Afghanistan. Or Syria. Or Libya.

We've ben watching too much U.S news.

And besides, there never have been any good guys in this

Tail Docker

Wacker The Attacker wrote: »

We've ben watching too much U.S news.

And besides, there never have been any good guys in this

I'm under no illusions. I was being cynically jaded.

My name is URL

ToddyDoody wrote: »

The music is freaky. Seems religiousy... which is, I believe, at the core of it

That whole YouTube channel seems dodgy as fcuk. I wouldn't be quick to take what it's reporting as fact

UCDVet

I honestly don't know, but I'd be curious to hear opinions on how life has been improved or worsened by the US showing up in Iraq.

Was the US the lessor evil, or did they just make things even worse?

Resonator75

UCDVet wrote: »

I honestly don't know, but I'd be curious to hear opinions on how life has been improved or worsened by the US showing up in Iraq.

Was the US the lessor evil, or did they just make things even worse?

It looks like the poor Iraqi's were better of under good ol' Sadaam.

That countries suffering never ends:(