Game of Thrones - Episode 4 x 09; 'The Watchers on the Wall' - HAVE read the books

Doesn't look like we'll be seeing the aftermath in King's Landing this week, and the episode will focus exclusively on events at The Wall.

Mac B

stankratz wrote: »

Doesn't look like we'll be seeing the aftermath in King's Landing this week, and the episode will focus exclusively on events at The Wall.

I'm so looking forward to this, should be some fun battle scenes!

The Master

Can't wait to see Stannis arriving

Tigger

Everyone dies some squatting on the privy

Witcher

I'm wondering if people will be pissed at the whole episode being set at the Wall, I'd say a lot of the non readers will want to know what happens to Tyrion and having to wait a week might not go down well:pac:

Washington Irving

Looking good.

Next week will likely be the most eventful episode of the series to date by a long shot:

Tyrion's escape featuring Tywin, Shae, Jaime and Varys.
Arya to Braavos and her goodbye to the Hound.
Bran and co. meet TCOTF.
Probably some Iron Islands/Asha scenes (Balon's death?).
Stoneheart.

And possibly Stannis' offer to Jon and/or start of the election.

GerB40

Washington Irving wrote: »

Looking good.

Next week will likely be the most eventful episode of the series to date by a long shot:

Tyrion's escape featuring Tywin, Shae, Jaime and Varys.
Arya to Braavos and her goodbye to the Hound.
Bran and co. meet TCOTF.
Probably some Iron Islands/Asha scenes (Balon's death?).
Stoneheart.

And possibly Stannis' offer to Jon and/or start of the election.

Jaysus they could nearly make a full season out of that episode..

Witcher

People are going nuclear over on Westeros.org that Stannis didn't arrive:pac:

Witcher

Some guy posted this about it claiming that they're ruining Stannis;

This episode and the preview for the next one locks in what I've said about TV Stannis since the beginning. He is one of the shows villians, he's not going to save the wall. Jon Snow will be negotiating with Mance about bringing the Wildlings across because the Others are coming and then boom Stannis heavy cavalry comes in and massacres a bunch of Wildlings. It's sad the show watchers are doing this with a character like Stannis but I am very confident in my analysis at this point.

Fcuking exactly what happens in the book:pac:

On another note; it appears that Brienne does lock horns with the Hound next week based on the trailer, you can see her armour.

minidazzler

That episode was amazing. Perfectly done.

There is no way there will be a long election for lord commander. It'll be between slynt and snow At the start of next season or will be simply unanimous at the end of this.

Liam O

minidazzler wrote: »

That episode was amazing. Perfectly done.

There is no way there will be a long election for lord commander. It'll be between slynt and snow At the start of next season or will be simply unanimous at the end of this.

Ser Alliser is definitely still alive as far as I'm concerned.

RobbingBandit

Great episode as far as effects go that director is awesome. WTF with killing Grenn and Pyp though and Ser Alliser turning out as a hero type, HBO are bastards of the Ramsey Snow level.

TimeToShine

Blay wrote: »

People are going nuclear over on Westeros.org that Stannis didn't arrive:pac:

Haven't seen the episode yet but this displeases me greatly.

joe123

Blay wrote: »

People are going nuclear over on Westeros.org that Stannis didn't arrive:pac:

Ah here what?

Stannis is one of the few likeable characters left and if they ruin him in the TV show its going to make it all the worse. That was brilliant in the book.

Looks like the Hound dies in the last episode of this season. Puts to bed the monk theory if it happens the way its rumoured.

TV show spoiler:

Looks like Brienne kills him next week according to some

calex71

The giant launching the crow with the bow was great

Tipsy McSwagger

Best episode of the entire series for me, it was absolutely brilliant.

Also Starring LeVar Burton

I was expecting Ygritte to die... I knew Ygritte was going to die... I had prepared myself for Ygritte to die... but Grenn and Pyp... them I did not expect... POW... right in the feels...

Duckworth_Luas

calex71 wrote: »

The giant launching the crow with the bow was great

Liam O

The first 10-20 minutes of the episode weren't great imo, felt a bit like a bad soap opera at times but once it got going it was everything you'd want it to be even if far too many night's watchmen were dying for senses sake. Sam starting to look somewhat useful I guess and Jon a bit more in line with book Jon. I hope Dolorous Edd is king at the end

December2012

Grenn?

He was becoming such a good character.

Did he die here in the book? I know Donal Noye originally held the inbreeding gate in the book.

Duckworth_Luas

December2012 wrote: »

Grenn?

He was becoming such a good character.

Did he die here in the book? I know Donal Noye originally held the inbreeding gate in the book.

Grenn is still alive in the books

December2012

That's what I thought. 😞

I was looking forward to him and the kid going hunting for rabbits.

Gran Hermano

"Ginger minge"

Mr.Prodston

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

This was one of the greatest things I've ever seen

I can't believe that both Pyp and Grenn died. I mean one fair enough but both of them is pretty crap! It's funny how they tried to make the audience cheer for Ser Alliser over Tormund in their duel, that's all kinds of wrong :pac:

No Stannis is very disappointing but holy hell next week is going to be the biggest episode of like ever. Ever!

I thoroughly enjoyed it and I'm glad that show Sam has become kinda badass, or well not that craven anyway. Could have done with less Gilly/loveydovey scenes. The talk with Aemon was brilliant too

RobbingBandit

Leaves a massive plot hole open now too, how the **** is Jon to be voted Lord Snow if HBO are killing off all his friends, There were two attacks on the wall in the books though, one by the small group and the other by the full force of the wildlings, the first was to test the wall and it's defences, towards the end of the second was when Ser Alliser and Slint lower Jon down the wall to treat with Mance, as usual everything got spliced together, while Jon is in the tent with Val and Dalla; Stannis is capturing Mance and defeating the wildling army, there is way too much to fit in in one hour next week so I think some of this may happen in the first episodes of next season.

Jelle1880

This was the test by Mance. The full scale one will probably be what leads to Stannis showing up in time to save the day.

Imagine though if the last episode ends with Stannis' force appearing in the distance, cue the end credits :pac:

It's weird that they killed off Grenn, but what a badass way to do it.

jebidiah

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Leaves a massive plot hole open now too, how the **** is Jon to be voted Lord Snow if HBO are killing off all his friends, There were two attacks on the wall in the books though, one by the small group and the other by the full force of the wildlings, the first was to test the wall and it's defences, towards the end of the second was when Ser Alliser and Slint lower Jon down the wall to treat with Mance, as usual everything got spliced together, while Jon is in the tent with Val and Dalla; Stannis is capturing Mance and defeating the wildling army, there is way too much to fit in in one hour next week so I think some of this may happen in the first episodes of next season.

Think we will see a cliff hanger of the large army attacking or getting the upper hand. Or the scenes will end with stannis arriving and not much more.

So much more to happen next week away from the wall!

The Master

The promo for the finale seems to show/hint at horses going through the Forrest around the wildlings so hopefully we get to see Stannis' men rout them

MarkR

Giant Archer. Brilliant. Scythe. Brilliant. Bro nod from little archer.

Mr.Prodston

I've just remembered what I was most looking forward to in the whole battle: Setting the stairs on fire in that last desperate act to keep them at bay.

Gutted that they left that out, forgot while I was watching but yeah that would have been cool to see.

krudler

Guess Stannis showing up will be next week? I really hope they don't push stuff back until the beginning of season 5 but how are they going to fit everything in? Still have all the stuff with Tyrion left.

That episode was great though, some proper action and great visuals. The giants and mammoths were really well done.

RobbingBandit

Jon using a blacksmith hammer to kill The Magnar was ****ing awesome, was that an ode to Donal Noye?

OneOfThem Stumbled

So Arya is turned away at the bloody gate?

"So my aunt's dead: who's in charge?"
"Your cousin, that guy who didn't sell you out in Harrenhall, and some girl who might be your sister"
"Nuts... better head to Essos".
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Stannis at the end of the last episode I reckon - 10 seconds in a flurry of cavalry and banners; just enough that we see that it's Stannis, and that Jon Snow will not be killed.

No Stoneheart, no Iron Islands - how would there be time?

Dany gets a 30 second look in for one reason or another. Hopefully to do with war rather than Grey Worm romance talk.

and Tyrion Tyrion Tyrion

Hope we don't get bogged down in Chrildren of the Forest stuff - it's so far ahead in terms of the books and feels kind of irrelevant at the moment... but unfortunately the title hints otherwise.

Daith

OneOfThem Stumbled wrote: »

So Arya is turned away at the bloody gate?

"So my aunt's dead: who's in charge?"
"Your cousin, that guy who didn't sell you out in Harrenhall, and some girl who might be your sister"
"Nuts... better head to Essos".
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In fairness Arya has no reason to trust Littlefinger and the guards won't know about Sansa.

She night head to Castle Black first?

username123

Great episode.

Why are they showing Slynt to be such a coward? I don't remember that.

Poor Grenn and the boys, that was probably my favourite scene. Very powerful with them saying the words.

Ser Alliser fought like a boss! I wasn't expecting that!

They've loads to cover next week!

krudler

username123 wrote: »

Great episode.

Why are they showing Slynt to be such a coward? I don't remember that.

Poor Grenn and the boys, that was probably my favourite scene. Very powerful with them saying the words.

Ser Alliser fought like a boss! I wasn't expecting that!

They've loads to cover next week!

I thought that was cool, he's been such a dickhead since season 1 as the angry leader but when it came down to it he was well able to kick arse so it wasn't all talk.

FunLover18

Haven't watched it yet but my friend who hasn't read the books said to me today;

"I started Game Of Thrones today. The first was Sam and Jon talking on the Wall, it was really boring so I stopped."

GerB40

username123 wrote: »

Great episode.

Why are they showing Slynt to be such a coward? I don't remember that.

Poor Grenn and the boys, that was probably my favourite scene. Very powerful with them saying the words.

Ser Alliser fought like a boss! I wasn't expecting that!

They've loads to cover next week!

I'd say they're showing Slynt being a coward so audiences will hate him even more and when Jon beheads him he'll seem like the big hero. It'll mirror Ilyn Payne chopping poor oul Neds head off.

username123

krudler wrote: »

I thought that was cool, he's been such a dickhead since season 1 as the angry leader but when it came down to it he was well able to kick arse so it wasn't all talk.

It was really cool. He looked like he was born to swing a sword, some fancy moves thrown in and somehow he looked a lot fitter than I'd imagined him to be.

GerB40

"Ned Ned nayra head
Lived with honour, now he's dead.."
Totally irrelevant I know but when genius like that strikes the masses must be informed:-)

celica00

Just watched it and found it alright.
Didnt find it soooo great now, the best part I found, was when Jon met Ygritte. I love her expressions, such a good actress

Kinda sad about Glen and Pyp tho

Found it alright, 6 oujt of 10!

OneOfThem Stumbled

celica00 wrote: »

Kinda sad about Glen and Pyp tho

I'll miss Pyp

unlike Ygritte (ba bum tsh)

Nah, but seriously, the show knows how to keep everyone on their toes. :eek:

TheGlass

Those battle scenes were great, like something you'd see in LOTR. First 15 or so minutes were slow, all action after that. One thing that annoyed me a little bit was they made the wall look smaller than usual, it used to take ages in the book to get from top to bottom in the lift iirc? And the climbers were making quick progress.

nibtrix

username123 wrote: »

Why are they showing Slynt to be such a coward? I don't remember that.

Slynt doesn't fight in the books at all, himself and Thorne arrive after Jon Snow has been holding off the attack on the wall for several days.

Maester Aemon stops Slynt and Thorne from hanging Jon for breaking his oaths, and instead they send him out to kill Mance Raydar (assuming he'll die trying).

ibarelycare

Great episode, so disappointed they didn't have Stannis arriving though. Would have made it epic.

Worried about next episode...are they going to leave some of the big stuff until next series or is it all going to be very rushed??


Edit: Meant to say, I loved the giants and mammoths. Awesome!

username123

nibtrix wrote: »

Slynt doesn't fight in the books at all, himself and Thorne arrive after Jon Snow has been holding off the attack on the wall for several days.

Maester Aemon stops Slynt and Thorne from hanging Jon for breaking his oaths, and instead they send him out to kill Mance Raydar (assuming he'll die trying).

Yeah, I know it goes down differently in the books, but we are never actually given such a blatant view of Slynt physically hiding from a fight in the books are we?

Witcher

Janos Slynt/Thorne aren't even at the Wall for the battle, they arrive after Jon has held it and still accuse him of being a traitor.

nibtrix

username123 wrote: »

Yeah, I know it goes down differently in the books, but we are never actually given such a blatant view of Slynt physically hiding from a fight in the books are we?

The opportunity never really comes up, although he does refuse to go and take over one of the other castles (Greyguard?).

flyingoutside

Really hope stannis is in next weeks episode

The Peanut

Really good episode. Sky's description for next week's episode mentions an unexpected arrival. Has to be the Lady I presume; or Stannis?

Witcher

Stannis, the synopsis says it's an 'unexpected arrival north of the Wall'