Call for ban on sulky racing following abandonment of injured horse at side of road

Foxhound38

What a horrendous way to treat a horse :mad:

Trotting them on hard road surfaces is clearly not a great plan, and the fact that it's happening on public roads clearly presents a threat to general road users and pedestrians - why hasn't this carry on been banned years ago?

Stark

Foxhound38 wrote: »

why hasn't this carry on been banned years ago?

Because it's their culture boss.

My name is URL

Call for a ban? Sure is it not already illegal?

wazky

Ban it all you like, but will it be enforced?

My guess is not a hope.

joe swanson

Disgraceful really. Hope the person responsible is found and prosecuted.

anncoates

Because agonized liberal guilt

meathstevie

Yeah sure, just like the type of people who organise these "races" will give ****e about the legality of it....you can't organise boxing matches in bogs or woods either or run hounds at hares out of season or deer either and family disputes should not be settled with hedge laying tools either.

fits

Need to get them off the road and onto properly surfaced tracks. And the horses shouldn't race below a certain age. Its quite a popular sport in other parts of the world so no reason why it shouldn't be here.

Pat Mustard

Sulky racing has resulted in a number of problems on the roads, recently.

The sulky riders should have to have insurance to cover this kind of mayhem. Also, if the sulky is out on the road, it should be registered to an owner, who could then be tracked down in case like this.

These boys are not bring monitored in any way, as things are.

Somebody should be prosecuted here, but I doubt that the guards will ever find the sulky rider in the first place.

My name is URL

There's a Facebook page if anyone wants to lend their support to the cause

'Ban Illegal Sulky Racing' :pac:

demanufactured

Lol
Illegal? Do you think these vermin care if it's illegal?

They aren't afraid of guards or the law.

foggy_lad

fits wrote: »

Need to get them off the road and onto properly surfaced tracks. And the horses shouldn't race below a certain age. Its quite a popular sport in other parts of the world so no reason why it shouldn't be here.

The types who race in the roads will not use track and would not be allowed use them because they wouldn't obey the rules laid down.

foggy_lad

The Mustard wrote: »

Sulky racing has resulted in a number of problems on the roads, recently.

The sulky riders should have to have insurance to cover this kind of mayhem. Also, if the sulky is out on the road, it should be registered to an owner, who could then be tracked down in case like this.

These boys are not bring monitored in any way, as things are.

Somebody should be prosecuted here, but I doubt that the guards will ever find the sulky rider in the first place.

Every horse by law must be chipped so do a sweep of the country and slaughter every horse not micro chipped! That is the only way to sort these criminals out, hit them with searches for illegal animals every month.

Taxburden carrier

The Mustard wrote: »

Sulky racing has resulted in a number of problems on the roads, recently.

The sulky riders should have to have insurance to cover this kind of mayhem. Also, if the sulky is out on the road, it should be registered to an owner, who could then be tracked down in case like this.

These boys are not bring monitored in any way, as things are.

Somebody should be prosecuted here, but I doubt that the guards will ever find the sulky rider in the first place.

I thought that sulky referred to the head on the human

riffmongous

fits wrote: »

Need to get them off the road and onto properly surfaced tracks. And the horses shouldn't race below a certain age. Its quite a popular sport in other parts of the world so no reason why it shouldn't be here.

Yep exactly. Considering the popularity of horse racing in this country it should become fairly popular

Pat Mustard

foggy_lad wrote: »

Every horse by law must be chipped so do a sweep of the country and slaughter every horse not micro chipped! That is the only way to sort these criminals out, hit them with searches for illegal animals every month.

I didn't know that. There could be a free barbecue every month for the people of Ireland.

Doylers

Didnt this same conversation take place on here a few months ago. deja vu

igorbiscan

Yeah its their culture, to have children as young as eight in control of a horse with multiple times the the childs strength to negotiate traffic willy nilly with apparantly no regard for any ****in roads laws cos its their culture an its one law for us and let the culturally proficient travellers create chaos an and nobody cops,councillors, will do a thing coz its their culture to go **** off to any reasonable rules that would apply to anyone else,sick.of this softly softly approach to cruel,chaotic,ridicoulsy dangerous culture..

igorbiscan

Yeah its their culture, to have children as young as eight in control of a horse with multiple times the the childs strength to negotiate traffic willy nilly with apparantly no regard for any ****in roads laws cos its their culture an its one law for us and let the culturally proficient travellers create chaos an and nobody cops,councillors, will do a thing coz its their culture to go **** off to any reasonable rules that would apply to anyone else,sick.of this softly softly approach to cruel,chaotic,ridicoulsy dangerous culture..

My name is URL

Doylers wrote: »

Didnt this same conversation take place on here a few months ago. deja vu

It takes place every time there's news about a sulky race taking place on public roads. The dopes calling for it to be 'banned' must not realise that it's already illegal.

How many people have been prosecuted and jailed for it over the last 5 years? The Gardai and courts need to get their **** together

riffmongous

The Mustard wrote: »

I didn't know that. There could be a free barbecue every month for the people of Ireland.

I'm not sure that's what the Alliance for Animal Rights had in mind when they called for the ban :pac:

foggy_lad

The Mustard wrote: »

I didn't know that. There could be a free barbecue every month for the people of Ireland.

All the laws have been in place for a number of years now but like with everything else in Ireland nothing will be done until a carload of children are killed in a crash with one of these yokes, then there will be big garda photo opportunity clampdowns around the country for a few weeks while other crimes skyrocket as the guards are all off chasing horses.

What is needed is a small group of certified and authorised knackermen with the authority to slaughter the animals on site and remove the carcasses. They can then sell on the carcasses to recoup some costs.

Pumpkinseeds

What's needed is a way of preventing these guys owning horses at all. Maybe introducing legislation whereby horse ownership is only legal to those who provide stables for their horses. That way the horses can be seized from them. I don't care if people see that as discrimination, I'm only interested in the welfare of the horses, something most of the guys who race sulkys have no interest in.

igorbiscan

Yeah its their culture, to have children as young as eight in control of a horse with multiple times the the childs strength to negotiate traffic willy nilly with apparantly no regard for any ****in roads laws cos its their culture an its one law for us and let the culturally proficient travellers create chaos an and nobody cops,councillors, will do a thing coz its their culture to go **** off to any reasonable rules that would apply to anyone else,sick.of this softly softly approach to cruel,chaotic,ridicoulsy dangerous culture..

fits

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

What's needed is a way of preventing these guys owning horses at all. Maybe introducing legislation whereby horse ownership is only legal to those who provide stables for their horses. That way the horses can be seized from them. I don't care if people see that as discrimination, I'm only interested in the welfare of the horses, something most of the guys who race sulkys have no interest in.

Stables aren't necessarily an indicator of welfare. Horses are happiest when living out in herds.
I hate sulky racing. I hate the way such young horses are used, it really wrecks their legs and yes its dangerous. I just think the answer lies in providing an alternative if possible. I.e. tracks to train on. And mandatory welfare standards to use them. And the ban for racing on roads to be enforced.

foggy_lad

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

What's needed is a way of preventing these guys owning horses at all. Maybe introducing legislation whereby horse ownership is only legal to those who provide stables for their horses. That way the horses can be seized from them. I don't care if people see that as discrimination, I'm only interested in the welfare of the horses, something most of the guys who race sulkys have no interest in.

They can already be seized but the whole idea of trying to save horses only adds animals to the large pool these criminals have to pick from.

They use any horse at all particularly horses with low or no value and once those are removed from the equation there will be less horses for sulky racers to use.

Slaughtering the unwanted and valueless horses is the only effective way of sorting this mess out.

MJ23

An awful breed of human beings. I fcuking hate them all.

RobertKK

It should be banned on public roads, if people want to race horses they should do it on a proper race track, with proper horse welfare to go with it.
The public roads puts everyone in danger.

end of the road

foggy_lad wrote: »

They can already be seized but the whole idea of trying to save horses only adds animals to the large pool these criminals have to pick from.

They use any horse at all particularly horses with low or no value and once those are removed from the equation there will be less horses for sulky racers to use.

Slaughtering the unwanted and valueless horses is the only effective way of sorting this mess out.

and they will just get more, resources and money are the problem here, we don't have them and never will

Muise...

foggy_lad wrote: »

All the laws have been in place for a number of years now but like with everything else in Ireland nothing will be done until a carload of children are killed in a crash with one of these yokes, then there will be big garda photo opportunity clampdowns around the country for a few weeks while other crimes skyrocket as the guards are all off chasing horses.

What is needed is a small group of certified and authorised knackermen with the authority to slaughter the animals on site and remove the carcasses. They can then sell on the carcasses to recoup some costs.

RACIST!!1!

Chinasea

Unfortunately horses are simply seen by the people who do this sort of thing as disposable, like a TV, a sofa, whatever, not really any use for it anymore, so just dump it.

Tons of laws in this country, tons of extremely wealthy policy / legal writers. NO ENFORCEMENT.

AlekSmart

Muise... wrote: »

RACIST!!1!

Sound man Foggy...you know yer Oxford English onions

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/knacker

Origin

late 16th century (originally denoting a harness-maker, then a slaughterer of horses): possibly from obsolete knack 'trinket'. The word also had the sense 'old worn-out horse' (late 18th century). sense 2 of the noun may be from dialect knacker 'castanet', from obsolete knack 'make a sharp abrupt noise', of imitative origin. It is unclear whether the verb represents a figurative use of ‘slaughter’, from sense 1 of the noun, or of ‘castrate’, from sense 2 of the noun.

Many South-City Dubliner's will recall the sights & sounds of (O) "Keefe's the Knackers" who practiced their profession up until the early 1980's in Blackpitts off the South Circular Road.