Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

Gnostic Christian Bishop

Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

The Gnostic wing of Christianity, if it can even be called that today, has quite a few differences to Christianity and Catholicism.

If the old Gnostic Christians were here, they would hardly recognize what has happened to the original Orthodox Catholic Church or it's various offshoots in Protestantism or Islam. The Gnostic Christian Jesus would have a fit and would be quite disappointed I think. I know that this Gnostic Christian is.

The two main differences that moved the old Christians to kill Gnostic Christians and burn their scriptures was literalism in reading scriptures and the fact that the Gnostic version of Jesus was a Universalist.

That Gnostic Christian Jesus, and the Gnostic Christians of that flavor, (there are likely as many Gnostic sects as Christian sects), sees a spark of God in all people including women and gays. That fact, to me, makes Gnostic Christianity a more desirable denomination of Christianity than all the rest.

If a religion cannot abide with equality of the sexes then to my mind it is not a just religion and is not worthy of the support of moral people. Inequality is an immoral position and most of the Abrahamic cults are of that immoral persuasion.

As the superior Catholic theology, it is my hope that Gnostic Christianity will eventually bury the non-egalitarian and immoral Christian cults as their members recognize that equality is the right moral system for all to live under.

If you have investigated Gnostic Christianity, do you agree that from a moral POV, they are the superior Christian theology thanks to equality and Universalism?

Regards
DL

J C

Gnostic Christian Bishop wrote: »

Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

The Gnostic wing of Christianity, if it can even be called that today, has quite a few differences to Christianity and Catholicism.

If the old Gnostic Christians were here, they would hardly recognize what has happened to the original Orthodox Catholic Church or it's various offshoots in Protestantism or Islam. The Gnostic Christian Jesus would have a fit and would be quite disappointed I think. I know that this Gnostic Christian is.

The two main differences that moved the old Christians to kill Gnostic Christians and burn their scriptures was literalism in reading scriptures and the fact that the Gnostic version of Jesus was a Universalist.

That Gnostic Christian Jesus, and the Gnostic Christians of that flavor, (there are likely as many Gnostic sects as Christian sects), sees a spark of God in all people including women and gays. That fact, to me, makes Gnostic Christianity a more desirable denomination of Christianity than all the rest.

If a religion cannot abide with equality of the sexes then to my mind it is not a just religion and is not worthy of the support of moral people. Inequality is an immoral position and most of the Abrahamic cults are of that immoral persuasion.

As the superior Catholic theology, it is my hope that Gnostic Christianity will eventually bury the non-egalitarian and immoral Christian cults as their members recognize that equality is the right moral system for all to live under.

If you have investigated Gnostic Christianity, do you agree that from a moral POV, they are the superior Christian theology thanks to equality and Universalism?

Regards
DL

Jesus Christ came to save all sinners ... you, me, men, women, gay or straight.

Christianity is the ultimate in egalitarianism ... we all must give an account before an infinitely just and loving God ... and those that have had much in this life, much is expected.

The Christian Faith is a Faith of openness and transparency ... not something esoteric and Gnostic.

Gnostic Christian Bishop

J C wrote: »

Jesus Christ came to save all sinners ... you, me, men, women, gay or straight.

Christianity is the ultimate in egalitarianism ... we all must give an account before an infintiely just and loving God ... and those that have had much in this life, much is expected.

The Christian Faith is a Faith of openness and transparency ... not something esoteric and Gnostic.

If Jesus came to save us all, then he could not fail so why would he create a hell?

After all, scripture do say that we will all repent as that is God's will.


"Christianity is the ultimate in egalitarianism"

He shall rule over you

---

says that you are either foolish or a liar. That is hardly egalitarian.

You conveniently ignore history. Look up what the Sufferjets had to say about your views on equality.



Your faith without facts or Gnosis is for fools.
That is why you can follow a genocidal son murdering God and think him good.

Regards
DL

Benny_Cake

Gnostic Christian Bishop wrote: »

Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

The Gnostic wing of Christianity, if it can even be called that today, has quite a few differences to Christianity and Catholicism.

If the old Gnostic Christians were here, they would hardly recognize what has happened to the original Orthodox Catholic Church or it's various offshoots in Protestantism or Islam. The Gnostic Christian Jesus would have a fit and would be quite disappointed I think. I know that this Gnostic Christian is.

The two main differences that moved the old Christians to kill Gnostic Christians and burn their scriptures was literalism in reading scriptures and the fact that the Gnostic version of Jesus was a Universalist.

That Gnostic Christian Jesus, and the Gnostic Christians of that flavor, (there are likely as many Gnostic sects as Christian sects), sees a spark of God in all people including women and gays. That fact, to me, makes Gnostic Christianity a more desirable denomination of Christianity than all the rest.

If a religion cannot abide with equality of the sexes then to my mind it is not a just religion and is not worthy of the support of moral people. Inequality is an immoral position and most of the Abrahamic cults are of that immoral persuasion.

As the superior Catholic theology, it is my hope that Gnostic Christianity will eventually bury the non-egalitarian and immoral Christian cults as their members recognize that equality is the right moral system for all to live under.

If you have investigated Gnostic Christianity, do you agree that from a moral POV, they are the superior Christian theology thanks to equality and Universalism?

Regards
DL

Any chance you could describe what "gnostic Christianity" actually is, rather than what it isn't? The post above appears to construct a complete strawman of what most Christians actually believe.

Gnostic Christian Bishop

Benny_Cake wrote: »

Any chance you could describe what "gnostic Christianity" actually is, rather than what it isn't? The post above appears to construct a complete strawman of what most Christians actually believe.

It does not but here is a general view.

I cannot link yet but if you google --- BASIC BELIEFS OF A TRUE GNOSTIC, ---- you will be well served.



Regards
DL

J C

Gnostic Christian Bishop wrote: »

If Jesus came to save us all, then he could not fail so why would he create a hell?

Jesus came to Save all sinners who wish to be Saved ... Christ's atonement didn't invalidate Human free will ... to accept or reject Salvation.

Gnostic Christian Bishop wrote: »

After all, scripture do say that we will all repent as that is God's will.

Not in the Bible.

Gnostic Christian Bishop wrote: »

"Christianity is the ultimate in egalitarianism"

He shall rule over you

---

says that you are either foolish or a liar. That is hardly egalitarian.

You conveniently ignore history. Look up what the Sufferjets had to say about your views on equality.

We are all equal, before God ... but some are more equal than others, before Mankind!!
... it's due to the Fall, I think.;)

Gnostic Christian Bishop wrote: »

Your faith without facts or Gnosis is for fools.
That is why you can follow a genocidal son murdering God and think him good.

Regards
DL

Your faith is also clear for all to see ... and we will have to differ on what we both think of God.

May the peace and blessings of Jesus Christ be upon you.:)

homer911

Gnostic Christian Bishop wrote: »

It does not but here is a general view.

I cannot link yet but if you google --- BASIC BELIEFS OF A TRUE GNOSTIC, ---- you will be well served.



Regards
DL

Thanks, but if you are really representative of your "religion", I don't think I'll bother..

Gnostic Christian Bishop

J C wrote: »

Jesus came to Save all sinners who wish to be Saved ... Christ's atonement didn't invalidate Human free will ... to accept or reject Salvation.

Not in the Bible.


We are all equal, before God ... but some are more equal than others, before Mankind!!
... it's due to the Fall, I think.;)


Your faith is also clear for all to see ... and we will have to differ on what we both think of God.

May the peace and blessings of Jesus Christ be upon you.:)

Read your bible some time before lying about what it says.


2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

And of course, embracing barbaric human sacrifice and accepting the punishment of the innocent instead of the guilty is immoral but if your deluded literalist mind cannot grasp that simple moral tenet, then Satan already has your name.

You look for God in a book while I look where Jesus said to look.


Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Regards
DL

Regards
DL

Gnostic Christian Bishop

homer911 wrote: »

Thanks, but if you are really representative of your "religion", I don't think I'll bother..

So stick with those who make your wife and mother second class citizens.

Regards
DL

J C

Gnostic Christian Bishop wrote: »

Read your bible some time before lying about what it says.

Less of the un-parliamentary language please.
I know and I have read the Bible ... not my Bible, as you say - and I am not a liar.

Gnostic Christian Bishop wrote: »

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

God doesn't will/wish that anybody should perish allright ... but this doesn't mean that He is going to remove our free-will and force us to be Saved.
He wants us all not to perish ... but the choice is up to us.

Gnostic Christian Bishop wrote: »

And of course, embracing barbaric human sacrifice and accepting the punishment of the innocent instead of the guilty is immoral but if your deluded literalist mind cannot grasp that simple moral tenet,

No greater love has any man than to die that others might live. This is the action of a noble person of the highest moral calibre ... and you are sullying God's perfect atonement for the sins of Humanity.
Only the ultimate sacrifice of a perfectly loving and holy man could atone for all of our sins and Jesus Christ, as God and Man did this - and is the only person who could.

Gnostic Christian Bishop wrote: »

... then Satan already has your name.

Jesus Christ has my name already.
As a Saved Christian, it's me who can rebuke Satan ... not the other way around!!!:)

Gnostic Christian Bishop wrote: »

You look for God in a book while I look where Jesus said to look.

As a Saved Christian I am not looking anywhere for God ... I know Him personally as I am indwelt by His Holy Spirit.

Gnostic Christian Bishop wrote: »

Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Regards
DL

The Kingdom of God is within all Saved Christians allright ... but we aren't God(s).:)

J C

Gnostic Christian Bishop wrote: »

So stick with those who make your wife and mother second class citizens.

Regards
DL

My wife is a fully 'paid up' member of the Christian Church.

All Christians are equally Saved.

They have different God-given talents and gifts that they can freely use within His Church.

lazybones32

Gnostic Christian Bishop wrote: »

Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

The Gnostic wing of Christianity, if it can even be called that today, has quite a few differences to Christianity and Catholicism.

If the old Gnostic Christians were here, they would hardly recognize what has happened to the original Orthodox Catholic Church or it's various offshoots in Protestantism or Islam. The Gnostic Christian Jesus would have a fit and would be quite disappointed I think. I know that this Gnostic Christian is.

The two main differences that moved the old Christians to kill Gnostic Christians and burn their scriptures was literalism in reading scriptures and the fact that the Gnostic version of Jesus was a Universalist.

That Gnostic Christian Jesus, and the Gnostic Christians of that flavor, (there are likely as many Gnostic sects as Christian sects), sees a spark of God in all people including women and gays. That fact, to me, makes Gnostic Christianity a more desirable denomination of Christianity than all the rest.

If a religion cannot abide with equality of the sexes then to my mind it is not a just religion and is not worthy of the support of moral people. Inequality is an immoral position and most of the Abrahamic cults are of that immoral persuasion.

As the superior Catholic theology, it is my hope that Gnostic Christianity will eventually bury the non-egalitarian and immoral Christian cults as their members recognize that equality is the right moral system for all to live under.

If you have investigated Gnostic Christianity, do you agree that from a moral POV, they are the superior Christian theology thanks to equality and Universalism?

Regards
DL

I've heard of gnostic christianity and how it essentially taught that Christ did not physically die on the Cross for the Salvation of mankind. His Spirit was truly the Son/Word of God but His Body wasn't his..it was just a collection of matter. There is also a tendency in Gnosticism that believes spirit = good and material = bad: am I correct in this?
I reject this because I am made in the image and likeness of God, body, soul and Spirit. To reject my body as being evil is to disagree with God's Wisdom in assigning it to me and me to it. He could have made me an angel, but thankfully I'm not.
Gnosticism rose and spread quickly and caused one of the first major divisions in the Body of Christ.
For these reasons, and a few more, I have little interest in investigating Gnosticism as a path of salvation because I think it will lead me away from it.

Maybe the inequality of the sexes is more psychological and cultural?

martingriff

J C wrote: »

My wife is a fully 'paid up' member of the Christian Church.

All Christians are equally Saved.

They have different God-given talents and gifts that they can freely use within His Church.

What does that actually mean.

Also what is the christian church not trying to be funny but are you catholic, Protestant, born again etc.

martingriff

J C wrote: »

Less of the un-parliamentary language please.
I know and I have read the Bible ... not my Bible, as you say - and I am not a liar.


God doesn't will/wish that anybody should perish allright ... but this doesn't mean that He is going to remove our free-will and force us to be Saved.
He wants us all not to perish ... but the choice is up to us.


No greater love has any man than to die that others might live. This is the action of a noble person of the highest moral calibre ... and you are sullying God's perfect atonement for the sins of Humanity.
Only the ultimate sacrifice of a perfectly loving and holy man could atone for all of our sins and Jesus Christ, as God and Man did this - and is the only person who could.


Jesus Christ has my name already.
As a Saved Christian, it's me who can rebuke Satan ... not the other way around!!!:)

As a Saved Christian I am not looking anywhere for God ... I know Him personally as I am indwelt by His Holy Spirit.


The Kingdom of God is within all Saved Christians allright ... but we aren't God(s).:)

What is a Saved Christian

endacl

martingriff wrote: »

What is a Saved Christian

Born again. Two bellybuttons.

homer911

martingriff wrote: »

What is a Saved Christian

Is there any other kind of Christian?

lazybones32

martingriff wrote: »

What is a Saved Christian

A dead Christian.

martingriff

homer911 wrote: »

Is there any other kind of Christian?

Well yes. I mean imagine a christian who kills he thinks he is killing for GOD considers himself a Christian is he a Saved Christian. The only one who can save a Christian and decides if he is saves is GOD

homer911

martingriff wrote: »

Well yes. I mean imagine a christian who kills he thinks he is killing for GOD considers himself a Christian is he a Saved Christian. The only one who can save a Christian and decides if he is saves is GOD

Bit of an extreme example - without context how could anyone answer that question? Perhaps he has had a mental breakdown, or perhaps he is saving his own life or that of his family.

Despite this, I agree that only God really knows if a person is saved or not, but there can still be much outward evidence of whether a person is saved or not.

My question was pointing more to the heart of the "definition" of a Christian. A Christian, or follower or Jesus, by biblical definition, would be someone who trusts in the Lord Jesus Christ as their personal Saviour, their "mediator" between them and God the Father.

There are many today who would call themselves Christian, without truely understanding what that means - by adopting a label, it doesnt make them so

Benny_Cake

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