Michael Manning Memorial Dunshaughlin 10km Road Race 21/6/2014

corny

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Favourite race of the year coming up. Normally very well organised with a good field but i turn up for the strawberries tbh.:)

MisterDrak

Giving this a bump !!!

Great race and course, also a well organised race for runners by runners.

Got my 10K PB here last year. No fear of that this year :mad::mad::mad:

cianc

Long shot:
Anyone able to offer a lift back (I can just about fit in the boot) to somewhere in Dublin after the race?

tunguska

Defo contender for race of the year. If this weather keeps up it'll make it an even better night.

tunguska

cianc wrote: »

Long shot:
Anyone able to offer a lift back (I can just about fit in the boot) to somewhere in Dublin after the race?

Might be able to help you out, I'll get back to you.

menoscemo

Finally bit the bullett and registered. Looking forward to it. Nowhere near the shape I was in last year but will give it a blast.

Bungy Girl

First time to sign up for this, very excited :cool: I'm aiming for a PB (44.59 would be the dream but would be happy with 45:xx, most recent 10K was 46:15).

Could anyone who has done this before advise if it's best to pace it with even splits or should I bag a few seconds earlier on to help up the hill in the second half ?

cianc

Possibly I'm failing at reading comprehension, but anyone know if numbers are collected on the day, or come in the post?

tang1

cianc wrote: »

Possibly I'm failing at reading comprehension, but anyone know if numbers are collected on the day, or come in the post?

On the day in previous years anyway.

tunguska

Bungy Girl wrote: »

First time to sign up for this, very excited :cool: I'm aiming for a PB (44.59 would be the dream but would be happy with 45:xx, most recent 10K was 46:15).

Could anyone who has done this before advise if it's best to pace it with even splits or should I bag a few seconds earlier on to help up the hill in the second half ?

Its a tricky one tactically alright, the first 5k is definitely faster than the second half. They used to give 5k splits in the results and from what I remember the general trend was a 20-30 second positive split. If you're going for 45mins I'd aim to hit 5k at about 22:05 or thereabouts. First mile is quick anyway so you'll have a few seconds in the bank straight away. But like I said things are a bit slower in the second 5k so best not to be on the ragged edge early on.

menoscemo

Bungy Girl wrote: »

First time to sign up for this, very excited :cool: I'm aiming for a PB (44.59 would be the dream but would be happy with 45:xx, most recent 10K was 46:15).

Could anyone who has done this before advise if it's best to pace it with even splits or should I bag a few seconds earlier on to help up the hill in the second half ?

I negative splitted it last year (ran the second half slightly faster than the first half) and I believe it is best to run even splits or pick up in the second half. If you try to bank time in the first half then you will likely lose more time on 'the hill'. In reality it is not much of a hill unless you are totally spent going into it, if not you won't lose much time. Not one person passed me on the 2nd half last year (at least until the last 100m) and that is a great feeling.
Also remember KM 5-7 is slightly downhill and KM 8-10 is totally flat so there is plenty of good ground to pick up time in the 2nd half if you have energy left.

opus

Running this as well with a friend, target time hasn't been revealed to me as yet

PVincent

Another win for Martin Fagan's in 30.03

ecoli

PVincent wrote: »

Another win for Martin Fagan's in 30.03

Any time on Rooney?

yaboya1

http://www.precisiontiming.net/result.aspx?v=2037

31:17

JMSE

Had a good run meself there tonight, pb'd on the first 5k (according to the guy shouting out 5k time) and then bettered that again over the 2nd 5 , so going by earlier posts thats a negative split? Wasnt running by stopwatch, just hope. Delighted with 47.10 gun time.

On the times though, it looked from where I was that a lot of runners might have started well over the start line. Could be wrong mind you about that, it looked that way from just behind the pat the baker van where I was, which was parked right on the line IIRC. So how do precision timing chip that one? They need to find a way like in Dunboynes 4 miler, to stream the later arrivals down the side of the throng and then let them work their way up from the back. Didnt affect me in the slightest as I'm not competing at a high level, just wondering.....

Krusty_Clown

JMSE wrote: »

Had a good run meself there tonight, pb'd on the first 5k (according to the guy shouting out 5k time) and then bettered that again over the 2nd 5 , so going by earlier posts thats a negative split? Wasnt running by stopwatch, just hope. Delighted with 47.10 gun time.

On the times though, it looked from where I was that a lot of runners might have started well over the start line. Could be wrong mind you about that, it looked that way from just behind the pat the baker van where I was, which was parked right on the line IIRC. So how do precision timing chip that one? They need to find a way like in Dunboynes 4 miler, to stream the later arrivals down the side of the throng and then let them work their way up from the back. Didnt affect me in the slightest as I'm not competing at a high level, just wondering.....

True enough. The marshals failed to usher the front runners back behind the starting line, so eventually (8 minutes later) just started the race from where the runners were positioned (around 4m-5m ahead of the start line). There were no starting mats, so chip times are based on gun times. Just as well Martin Fagan didn't run a course-record, as it would have been put in doubt. My watch still registered the right distance (for whatever that's worth), so the starting point for the lead runners was probably about right anyway.

Apart from that small glitch, it was another excellently run Dunshaughlin 10k. Really superb race and can't fault it at all. Best 10k race in the country (though the Lakes 10k still holds a soft spot).

cianc

Yeah, I was a few rows back from the front, and we passed over the spray-painted "start" mark on the road while being moved back and probably ended up a couple of meters behind it, so I don't think the runners at the very front were much off.

Ferris B

I was about a metre in front of "start line" and there was 3 or 4 rows ( 120 runners?) in front of me. Not sure why they didn't keep pushing everyone back behind the white painted line before the off.

Excellent race though and superbly well organised. An amazing field of runners.

PauloMN

This is a great race, well organised, good course, nice touches like the folks at 5k giving times etc.. It's only downside - and it has led to the problems above I think - is the lack of a chip mat at the start line. The start line was a bit messy with people arriving later on feeding into the bunch already positioned for a fast start on the line. I think a mat or gantry scanning at the start line would solve this problem, and given the size of the race and how well it is run otherwise, it's something I feel Dunshaughlin AC should seriously look into, especially on a course that people aim for PBs on.

Aside from that, the usual well organised and enjoyable race. Crowd support was fantastic in town both heading out and arriving back. Spread afterwards was great also. Thanks as always to the club, organisers and marshals for a great annual race. And thanks to the folks setting up water stations along the way. And apologies to the lady I grabbed the bottle from, I hope it wasn't intended for someone specific lol!

Bungy Girl

menoscemo wrote: »

I negative splitted it last year (ran the second half slightly faster than the first half) and I believe it is best to run even splits or pick up in the second half. If you try to bank time in the first half then you will likely lose more time on 'the hill'. In reality it is not much of a hill unless you are totally spent going into it, if not you won't lose much time. Not one person passed me on the 2nd half last year (at least until the last 100m) and that is a great feeling.
Also remember KM 5-7 is slightly downhill and KM 8-10 is totally flat so there is plenty of good ground to pick up time in the 2nd half if you have energy left.

Thanks so much for this advice. Managed to go sub 45 having gone through 5K at 22:30. Flew up the first hill but wasn't expecting the second one . Torture. What a great race though - thanks so much to the organisers, cake bakers and sandwich makers. Love your work

corny

You can't really blame the marshals so much. There were scores of people near the front who refused to take a step backwards. It wasn't like any were going to be keeping pace with Fagan either.

Small gripe for me though. Great race and cake afterwards. PB'd too.

menoscemo

Bungy Girl wrote: »

Thanks so much for this advice. Managed to go sub 45 having gone through 5K at 22:30. Flew up the first hill but wasn't expecting the second one . Torture. What a great race though - thanks so much to the organisers, cake bakers and sandwich makers. Love your work

no-one ever mentions the first hill; the 'fake' hill!!! Well done. How big was your negative split?

menoscemo

This is a great race. The depth of the field is amazing and the organisation is always spot on.
The course is fast but at the same time just hard enough to test you. If you are in good shape (like I was last year) you find out with a fast time. If you are not in good shape (as I was tonight) you get found out by the hills in the second half.
I was over 2 minutes slower than last year, but given the amount of training I have been doing; it's a fair enough result.

Congrats to Krusty for winning the auld lads prize with a big PB to boot. Great to meet a lot of boardisies out there too.

JMSE

corny wrote: »

You can't really blame the marshals so much. There were scores of people near the front who refused to take a step backwards. It wasn't like any were going to be keeping pace with Fagan either.

Small gripe for me though. Great race and cake afterwards. PB'd too.

tis true, but as i refused to step back onto the girl behind me who wasnt shifting......you get the scenario

Getting away from that mullarkey, top marks to the club, the marshals, the km markers, the tour de france type name painters for the distractions, the 'hills are speed sessions in disguise' signs, the kids clapping at also-rans like me, the woman with the hose on mist, the water station manners, and of course Mr. Eastwood, thank you very much Mr. East'... eh its gettin late, better hit the hay

Bungy Girl

menoscemo wrote: »

no-one ever mentions the first hill; the 'fake' hill!!! Well done. How big was your negative split?

About 17 seconds by my watch but the gun time was less forgiving. Didn't realise there were no mats at the start so lucky to come away with an 'official' sub 45. Happy out. Still buzzing but it's way past my bedtime:eek:

Lock

I would love to have been running in the 10k but I'm not in any shape, so I brought the camera instead. I was taking as many snaps as I could in the final stretch so I'm sure I got a few of you.

I have uploaded the full set on Jumping the Gun, if anyone is interested in having a look. I think you can tag yourself in the photos once you 'like' the page. Well done all. https://www.facebook.com/JTGIreland

chinguetti

So much to rave about this race and well done to all in Dunshaughlin, the water stops were a blessing in that heat and the man who had the water hose around 3k is a genius in my eyes. Its just a cracking course and that hill is one to be attacked. You just have to love the names on the road. They always seems to get lovely weather for it too which helps. The spread of food afterwards was massive and welcomed. Special thanks to the two stewards at the finish who assisted me to a barrier and placed me up against it as I was wobbling around the place and felt like I was going to collapse. Got a shiny new pb to boot so it was all worth it.

As I said its just a great, great race in so many ways but the start is a right mess even with a wide road. People will always turn up late and start in the wrong place for their abilities but the marshals hadn't a hope of moving anyone back over the line as they couldn't hear the marshals asking them to move back (why didn't someone have a megaphone?).

I was 5 meters behind the start line but must have past over 100 runners before the roundabout. A starting mat, starting pens or a gantry isn't going to make people stand in the correct zone for their abilities and that's the real problem. You see it in every race nowadays.

Ferris B

menoscemo wrote: »

I negative splitted it last year (ran the second half slightly faster than the first half) and I believe it is best to run even splits or pick up in the second half. If you try to bank time in the first half then you will likely lose more time on 'the hill'. In reality it is not much of a hill unless you are totally spent going into it, if not you won't lose much time. Not one person passed me on the 2nd half last year (at least until the last 100m) and that is a great feeling.
Also remember KM 5-7 is slightly downhill and KM 8-10 is totally flat so there is plenty of good ground to pick up time in the 2nd half if you have energy left.

Just checking my times, I got a negative split (14secs) so you got it spot on Meno. Like yourself last yr, I passed lots of runners in second half and wasn't passed till a few sprinters flew by near the finish.

Anyone ever tell you you'd make a great pacer:D

AdpRo

Agree with all the above, great race, great course, great feed after but the start was a mess. I think a start mat would make a big difference as a lot of people wouldn't care about being up the front if they knew time would be taken once they crossed the line.

corny

https://www.flickr.com/photos/peterm7/sets/72157645329098733/

Full album of pics

MisterDrak

Second all of the positive comments about the race above. Probably in my top 3 favourite races on the calendar (Raheny 5, Dunboyne 5 and Dunsaughlin 10K).

NiallG4

corny wrote: »

https://www.flickr.com/photos/peterm7/sets/72157645329098733/

Full album of pics

Great photos. One thing that really stands out in them is how it is a real club race. Pretty much every photo shows athletes with the club vests. Should really make this the National 10K. Although the Great Ireland Run is good, it does not have the same atmosphere as this one. Give the National Half Marathon and 10K back to the clubs.

Krusty_Clown

Oh yeah, one other gripe. What happened to the strawberries?! Lose the T-shirt and give us back our strawberries!

mithril

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

Oh yeah, one other gripe. What happened to the strawberries?! Lose the T-shirt and give us back our strawberries!

Beer and strawberries go well together?

opus

I see why people are so enthusiastic about it now, really nice event. Yeah there was a bit of chaos at the start but everything else looked spot on to me.

The organisers of a very popular 4m race in Cork (Cheetah Run) brought in roped off sections for different planned finish times two year ago which works really well so maybe something like that could be investigated?

fletch

Echo everyone else's positive comments about the race although the mess at the start line really bothered me but it was more the idiots that refused to move back fault than the organisers. The problem really is the lack of a timing mat at the start coupled with people arriving at the start line from the direction they will be running.
Highlights for me were the guy out spraying the hose, the support from the locals (I was running beside some guy called Benny and it seemed like every single person in the town was cheering him on), the cakes afterwards and the good weather (if a little too good, I'm a sun worshipper but found myself hugging the ditches to be in the shade)
After 2 5k races (Kilbride and Pride) during the week it was inevitable I wasn't going to meet my target but I'll make do with a 4 second PB

fletch

Oh and I witnessed a guy(in the club car park) in a VW Passat reverse his car/tow bar into a Hyundai Santa Fe (I think) and then just drive off. I took the reg but couldn't hang around myself as I was already running late.

Krusty_Clown

fletch wrote: »

Echo everyone else's positive comments about the race although the mess at the start line really bothered me but it was more the idiots that refused to move back fault than the organisers.

I'm guessing you weren't anywhere near the front fletch? While I didn't toe the line (I was a couple of rows back), it was impossible to move back any further, due to the wall of un-moving runners just behind (ahead of the bread van). So it wasn't the front-runners unwillingess to move back, but their inability to move back. The entire horde needed to drop back by behind the bread van. It's just too much to ask, to try and get 800 runners to reverse by 10-15 metres, particularly as the marshals had no loud-speakers. It was a bit of a mess, but something easily fixable with a small bit of planning.

fletch

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

I'm guessing you weren't anywhere near the front fletch? While I didn't toe the line (I was a couple of rows back), it was impossible to move back any further, due to the wall of un-moving runners just behind (ahead of the bread van). So it wasn't the front-runners unwillingess to move back, but their inability to move back. The entire horde needed to drop back by behind the bread van. It's just too much to ask, to try and get 800 runners to reverse by 10-15 metres, particularly as the marshals had no loud-speakers. It was a bit of a mess, but something easily fixable with a small bit of planning.

I was near the front...I asked people behind me to move back (if everyone had of done the same it might have worked) but everyone just looked back at me like doey eyed. But yeh I hear what you're saying.

Firedance

NiallG4 wrote: »

Great photos. One thing that really stands out in them is how it is a real club race. Pretty much every photo shows athletes with the club vests. Should really make this the National 10K. Although the Great Ireland Run is good, it does not have the same atmosphere as this one. Give the National Half Marathon and 10K back to the clubs.

I'll echo all the positive comments, my first time doing it and thoroughly enjoyed it. I wonder though if there would have to be start mats to make it the national 10k? I believe the field was 900 runners so the gun times could be off a good bit for the back markers? I wonder what the cost of providing mats or whatever else is available for use at the start.. Either way I agree a much nicer atmosphere (and course) than Great Ireland Run.

RayCun

Much as I prefer Dunshaughlin to the Great Ireland Run, the GIR is an IAAF silver standard race that attracts elite international runners, so is unlikely to lose the national 10k connection

menoscemo

Firedance wrote: »

I'll echo all the positive comments, my first time doing it and thoroughly enjoyed it. I wonder though if there would have to be start mats to make it the national 10k? I believe the field was 900 runners so the gun times could be off a good bit for the back markers? I wonder what the cost of providing mats or whatever else is available for use at the start.. Either way I agree a much nicer atmosphere (and course) than Great Ireland Run.

For National competititions Gun time is the only relevant time anyway so the presence of mats would make no difference.

Krusty_Clown

RayCun wrote: »

Much as I prefer Dunshaughlin to the Great Ireland Run, the GIR is an IAAF silver standard race that pays for elite international runners to come over and compete, so is unlikely to lose the national 10k connection

Fixed your post Ray. I'm not sure that the presence of elite international runners is relevant to a national event? We have many national events that don't include an international field (e.g. XC, 10 mile, road relays, last year's national marathon, years of national half marathons hosted by clubs, etc.).

The reality is that the GIR would lose its prestige as a competitive race if it were not the national 10k, so I'd imagine the GIR owners make it worthwhile to the AAI (coffers).

tunguska

tunguska wrote: »

Its a tricky one tactically alright, the first 5k is definitely faster than the second half. They used to give 5k splits in the results and from what I remember the general trend was a 20-30 second positive split. If you're going for 45mins I'd aim to hit 5k at about 22:05 or thereabouts. First mile is quick anyway so you'll have a few seconds in the bank straight away. But like I said things are a bit slower in the second 5k so best not to be on the ragged edge early on.

I dont know what I was on about when I posted this ^^^^^. Must've been thinking about another race because I ran a negative split myself on saturday, and so did a few of my friends.
Great race though, weather was awesome. I was lying on top of a wheely bin at the finish line, trying to compose myself and look like everything was cool but I was absolutely fooked. There was lads coming over to me trying to shake my hand and I couldnt even respond, I was comatose. Then two kids came over and asked if they could use the bin...........that close to telling two children to **** off. I didnt though, managed to peel myself off the wheely bin and colapse in the middle of a busy road. Classy......

NiallG4

tunguska wrote: »

I dont know what I was on about when I posted this ^^^^^. Must've been thinking about another race because I ran a negative split myself on saturday, and so did a few of my friends.
Great race though, weather was awesome. I was lying on top of a wheely bin at the finish line, trying to compose myself and look like everything was cool but I was absolutely fooked. There was lads coming over to me trying to shake my hand and I couldnt even respond, I was comatose. Then two kids came over and asked if they could use the bin...........that close to telling two children to **** off. I didnt though, managed to peel myself off the wheely bin and colapse in the middle of a busy road. Classy......

Me too. I had a 25 sec negative split. Everyone up my way also say the first 5K is fast but I have always disagreed even when I used to see the 5K splits a few years back. The only thing this year is there was a gentle breeze on our backs from 6K to the finish and the hills really are not that bad on the way back with the incentive being that there is a nice downhill at 8K and a nice finish. Not sure if I like the 800, 400, 300, 200 to go signs but overall 10/10 from me.

Krusty_Clown

I reckon the second half is more shady than the first half too, which likely helped a lot on the day. I reckon I ran a pretty even split (something like 16:50 / 16:46), though I thought the second half was a lot slower (I wasn't looking at my watch). I'd also convinced myself that the last mile was down-hill, so I was prepared to beat myself up a little in the 5th mile, but after the initial downhill stretch it's actually an uphill drag to the finish. Same as last year, I started my final sprint too early, thinking that the left turn before the village marked the end of the race. So disappointed to see the runners ahead continue running straight up the hill. Maybe I should start looking at my watch more often!

drquirky

NiallG4 wrote: »

Me too. I had a 25 sec negative split. Everyone up my way also say the first 5K is fast but I have always disagreed even when I used to see the 5K splits a few years back. The only thing this year is there was a gentle breeze on our backs from 6K to the finish and the hills really are not that bad on the way back with the incentive being that there is a nice downhill at 8K and a nice finish. Not sure if I like the 800, 400, 300, 200 to go signs but overall 10/10 from me.

I know a few lads who had this course a bit short- might explain all the negative splits! but good running anyways!

NiallG4

drquirky wrote: »

I know a few lads who had this course a bit short- might explain all the negative splits! but good running anyways!

Yeah it was way short. I think the first 5K was accurate but the second was too downhill and way short.

Krusty_Clown

drquirky wrote: »

I know a few lads who had this course a bit short- might explain all the negative splits! but good running anyways!

I actually have it as 10.12 metres too long (on my watch), so I'm actually going to officially record my PB as 32:59, as those 10m were the slowest ones on the course (and took me around 37 seconds).

NiallG4

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

I actually have it as 10.12 metres too long (on my watch), so I'm actually going to officially record my PB as 32:59, as those 10m were the slowest ones on the course (and took me around 38 seconds).

That's a great idea. I might do that as well. I measured it at 10.05 so I think I will adjust mine as well. PB's for the boys.