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** Construction 2014 - all levels **

  • 06-06-2014 9:12pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 439 ✭✭


    Predictions... GO!!

    I think sound will feature this year and please god.
    Who is doing Q.10 (A)? Lovely question. thoughts on what will feature?
    I think there will be a part on thermal mass on Q.5 part c/b
    And detail drawings I'm going in knowing them all as I'm planning on question 7.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 109 ✭✭caolan1996


    does any one have predictions for q1 or q7 as i am planning on doing them ?
    Golfanatic wrote: »
    Predictions... GO!!

    I think sound will feature this year and please god.
    Who is doing Q.10 (A)? Lovely question. thoughts on what will feature?
    I think there will be a part on thermal mass on Q.5 part c/b
    And detail drawings I'm going in knowing them all as I'm planning on question 7.

    what can come up on sound ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 114 ✭✭matthew the statue


    How toughly do they mark in construction? got 36 in my mock, my project was okay and the portfolio was okay but my practical test went fairly badly did not get it to fit together and we have done very little theory in class. Is there a good chance of me failing higher level or should I stick with?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 109 ✭✭caolan1996


    How toughly do they mark in construction? got 36 in my mock, my project was okay and the portfolio was okay but my practical test went fairly badly did not get it to fit together and we have done very little theory in class. Is there a good chance of me failing higher level or should I stick with?

    dont no how strict the marking is i would actually like to find out as well but i think you should stick with HL now your drawing and thats two qs covered and then your u value which is easy when u now the formula so if your struggling now them


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭omara95


    Does anybody know the marking scheme for construction? Like in a 3 part question how many points should I write and how many marks are the sketches worth?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭seavill


    Examinations. Ie has all the marking schemes for all subjects and years


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,194 ✭✭✭FatRat


    seavill wrote: »
    Examinations. Ie has all the marking schemes for all subjects and years

    Yes but they're not very comprehensive. Its hard to tell how exactly they mark these tests, I find. Its the only thing I don't like about the subject. What exactly is the criteria for full marks? Take Q6 for example, the environmental question, how much points must you make and how detailed must they be? Its very frustrating not knowing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭seavill


    The advice I tell my students is try to make 3 distinct points on each answer you make - not repeat the same thing 3 times just worded a different way but if you go back over all the marking schemes in general the max they look for is 3 points.
    Almost every part of every question asks for sketches, I viewed a scrpit of a student of mine last year when he wasn't happy as he was usually an A or high B student, he didnt sketch where required or he sketched but didn't write any notes with the sketch.

    What is on examinations.ie is the best you will get anywhere. Again my students fall down writing waffly answers, write facts and you will get the marks, be as specific as possible. It doesnt have to be essay type answers, bulled points will do.

    Where you pick up the marks is reading the question properly. Does it say explain, discuss, list etc. If it says explain or discuss make at least 3 points. Usually a sketch with each. The sketches don't have to be like a scale drawing but if you ensure there is a sketch with each you will pick up marks. Sometimes it says explain 3 reasons with notes and neat freehand sketches. Some people would do one sketch to cover all 3, I would encourage you to do 3 sketches.

    How detailed? Look at your time. Plan your exam how long have you for each question? Use that time - that is how detailed you need to be. If you have 25 mins for a question and you answer in in 15 you havn't given enough detail for and A.
    The main thing I find even when correcting my own class exams is people making general statements that the dog on the street would be able to tell you not giving exact details that a construction studies student of 2 years should be able to give you


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 markcahill02


    Here's what I'm expecting and have covered well

    -The door could be likely for the Q.1.
    -Expecting a retro fit question too based around thermal properties and glazing.
    -U-values question seems to come up every year.
    -Make sure you know the timber frame details as I think one of them could feature in the Q.7 as that has not been asked in the past years. Could make a surprise appearance.
    -Your always left with a broad range of topics in the remaining questions. I'll be hoping for something along the lines of air tightness, passive house standards, MHRV, Insulation as I don't have much of plumbing and electricity covered


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 109 ✭✭caolan1996


    i am planning on doing a few exam questions today how many minutes should i spend on each question say if its q6 theres an A and B part is it split 30 30 or 40 20 and the same say for q 3 there A B C is it split 20 20 20 ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 Colinted


    Well lads and lassies,

    anyone have any predictions what drawings might come up in question 1 or what ones I should study?

    And predictions on any other questions if you have any

    Cheers


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 Colinted


    Here's what I'm expecting and have covered well

    -The door could be likely for the Q.1.
    -Expecting a retro fit question too based around thermal properties and glazing.
    -U-values question seems to come up every year.
    -Make sure you know the timber frame details as I think one of them could feature in the Q.7 as that has not been asked in the past years. Could make a surprise appearance.
    -Your always left with a broad range of topics in the remaining questions. I'll be hoping for something along the lines of air tightness, passive house standards, MHRV, Insulation as I don't have much of plumbing and electricity covered

    Door as in door threshold?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 109 ✭✭caolan1996


    Colinted wrote: »
    Door as in door threshold?

    ya as in a door threshold


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,194 ✭✭✭FatRat


    Thanks a lot for that seavill! You cleared a few things up for me.

    Does anyone know where I can find the construction details of a house that meet the passive house standards? Or can somebody give me a run-down of the extras added on to a passive house compared to a regular construction. I know theres more insulation but specific diagrams would be nice! My teacher skipped the whole section of passive housing and I'm worried a question like part c in the U-value question in 2012 might come up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭seavill


    If you know anyone that has the new book from educate.ie get constructive. Failing that try one if the school book shops. Have a look at it there


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11 hontheroyalz


    Would I be more or less sorted for an A1 considering my project,brief and practical were decent with
    All drawings
    Retrofitting
    Passive house (mvhr etc)
    Sewage
    Heating
    U values
    Wheelchair access


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 109 ✭✭caolan1996


    Would I be more or less sorted for an A1 considering my project,brief and practical were decent with
    All drawings
    Retrofitting
    Passive house (mvhr etc)
    Sewage
    Heating
    U values
    Wheelchair access

    what have you covered in passive house apart from mechanical heat recovery systems. ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11 hontheroyalz


    caolan1996 wrote: »
    what have you covered in passive house apart from mechanical heat recovery systems. ?

    Pretty much everything


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 109 ✭✭caolan1996


    Pretty much everything

    ya but what topics i dont no them all myself i want to look over them


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11 hontheroyalz


    caolan1996 wrote: »
    ya but what topics i dont no them all myself i want to look over them

    oh right em advantage+disadvantages in mvhr comes up alot
    So does how to cool a passive house in the summer
    Energy performance
    Air tightness
    Windows+glazing
    Foundations
    Solar gain+orientation
    Insulation
    Know the wall/window/eaves detail

    That pretty much covers you for the passive house and retro fitting question as on the retro fitting just say you would change it to the above


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 109 ✭✭caolan1996


    oh right em advantage+disadvantages in mvhr comes up alot
    So does how to cool a passive house in the summer
    Energy performance
    Air tightness
    Windows+glazing
    Foundations
    Solar gain+orientation
    Insulation
    Know the wall/window/eaves detail

    That pretty much covers you for the passive house and retro fitting question as on the retro fitting just say you would change it to the above

    thanks probably the only thing i need to do is windows and glazing and thats it hoping for an A or high B


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 Colinted


    Anyone going to do question 3 Renovations?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 411 ✭✭Badwulf


    Colinted wrote: »
    Anyone going to do question 3 Renovations?

    Most likely, its pretty much common sense :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 Colinted


    Badwulf wrote: »
    Most likely, its pretty much common sense :pac:

    Is there much else other than ways to increase solar gain and thermal properties and increased sunlight that can come up in that question?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 411 ✭✭Badwulf


    Anyone got any tips on how to do U values? Im a bit dodgy on them


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 Colinted


    Badwulf wrote: »
    Anyone got any tips on how to do U values? Im a bit dodgy on them

    A part or b part?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,194 ✭✭✭FatRat


    Badwulf wrote: »
    Anyone got any tips on how to do U values? Im a bit dodgy on them

    Remember the formulas and you're fine:

    Dived the measurement they give you by 1000 to put it in metres.

    T/k = R
    T×r = R
    U = 1/R
    Likewise R(total)=1/U (if it asks for the thickness of a material given its U value in part b)
    T = measurement in metres
    R = resistance
    k = conductivity
    r = resistivity

    For the cost of heating question:

    U × A × theta (highest temperature - lowest temperature)
    Multiply this answer by the time it gives.
    Divide by 1000
    Divide by the calorific value of oil given
    This is the amount of litres so multiply this by the cost of 1 litre to get how much money the heat lost cost.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 Oconnor 2011


    Hey does anyone have solid predictions and know what drawing might come up in question 1 ? Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11 juke46


    So I have the rest of the evening and tomorrow to study for this exam which is a middling subject for me, any advice on topics to study apart from passive housing and sewage?

    Any chance someone can help me out with the part (b)'s in u-value questions as I am completely lost in them ?

    Thanks in advance :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 69cokaz


    go over light, heat, sound thats what my teacher sad might come up and i personally think water systems will come up


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭seavill


    It is highly unlikely that both light and sound will both come up in the same year, there are at least 3 different construction threads already open you will find a lot of info there


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,509 ✭✭✭✭randylonghorn


    Merged


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 Colinted


    Question 3 renovations and Q6 environmental impact could be two good ones to do

    They come up every year and are basically the same every year with a few different bits in the b parts. There's a lot of common sense in these questions aswell.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 113 ✭✭Daithi MacG


    Think the plan for me will be Q's 1, 3, 5, 6, and 7. Anyone have predictions for 1 and 7? My teacher said a chance of the fuel burning stove/chimney stack that came up question 7 last year being question 1 this year.
    Here are some links people might find useful:
    www [dot] constructiontechnology [dot] ie/
    davittcollege [dot] com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Construction-Drawings [dot] pdf

    (Replace [dot] with . )


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 728 ✭✭✭9bred4


    Hoping for a nice paper tomorrow, really need it. Im gonna do the Passive Housing, retrofitting, Uvalue, Q1 obviously but not sure about the last one. Anyone have any ideas/tips of what to study tonight?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,194 ✭✭✭FatRat


    Drainage/Sewage - I don't think it ever goes 2 years without coming up!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 411 ✭✭Badwulf


    what are the need to know things for passive housing?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 728 ✭✭✭9bred4


    FatRat wrote: »
    Drainage/Sewage - I don't think it ever goes 2 years without coming up!

    I haven't notion on that so I've a long day ahead ha, how does one even study that??
    Badwulf wrote: »
    what are the need to know things for passive housing?

    Read back a page or so someone explained it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 411 ✭✭Badwulf


    Is it safe to say I failed my day one practical because

    >it didnt fit together
    >I done a few joints in the wrong places
    >I didnt do the curves on the two shelf pieces

    I did get all the right joints done at the end tho but it still wouldnt fit


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 728 ✭✭✭9bred4


    Badwulf wrote: »
    Is it safe to say I failed my day one practical because

    >it didnt fit together
    >I done a few joints in the wrong places
    >I didnt do the curves on the two shelf pieces

    I did get all the right joints done at the end tho but it still wouldnt fit

    I would take this with a pinch of salt but I think if it's marked out correctly you get a good amount of marks, never assume you've it failed because you'd be surprised


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 109 ✭✭caolan1996


    can some one tell me the timing for each question and what is the change of heat/water coming up again two years in a row ?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,845 ✭✭✭Noccy_Mondy


    Badwulf wrote: »
    Is it safe to say I failed my day one practical because

    >it didnt fit together
    >I done a few joints in the wrong places
    >I didnt do the curves on the two shelf pieces

    I did get all the right joints done at the end tho but it still wouldnt fit

    Don't assume that you have failed. The majority of the marks are for marking it out correctly. There are only a few marks for the curves. You will get marks for what you have done no matter how it is put together. If you even looked at the drawings and tried to mark them out then you will get some marks.

    Take a look at how last years practical was marked

    http://examinations.ie/archive/markingschemes/2013/LC029ALP000EV.pdf


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,845 ✭✭✭Noccy_Mondy


    caolan1996 wrote: »
    can some one tell me the timing for each question and what is the change of heat/water coming up again two years in a row ?

    About 30 mins per question. Spend a bit extra on the drawing questions if you need. Heat could come up again, then again it mightn't. I don't make predictions anymore, because the blame always comes back on me if it goes wrong!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 411 ✭✭Badwulf


    But would I lose marks for having extra "accident" joints?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,845 ✭✭✭Noccy_Mondy


    Badwulf wrote: »
    But would I lose marks for having extra "accident" joints?

    Did you just add in random joints? You will lose some marks for the incorrect marking out of the joint(s) that you did wrong, but that's a few marks - you won't get penalised again for the mistake, although you may lose a few when it comes to the overall quality of the artifact.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 411 ✭✭Badwulf


    Did you just add in random joints? You will lose some marks for the incorrect marking out of the joint(s) that you did wrong, but that's a few marks - you won't get penalised again for the mistake, although you may lose a few when it comes to the overall quality of the artifact.

    I put one mortice joint on the wrong end then put it on the right end


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,845 ✭✭✭Noccy_Mondy


    Badwulf wrote: »
    I put one mortice joint on the wrong end then put it on the right end

    So it ended up right in the end? You will get the marks for the joint being in the right place. Not too sure on where you will lose marks for the incorrect joint - I'm not too in tune with this years practical or the marking scheme.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 Dylan_1996


    With the project and the write up and practical done, can i afford to do pretty poorly in the theory and still pass? I only need a d3 because im not counting it as one of my subjects :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 113 ✭✭Daithi MacG


    About 30 mins per question. Spend a bit extra on the drawing questions if you need. Heat could come up again, then again it mightn't. I don't make predictions anymore, because the blame always comes back on me if it goes wrong!

    When you say heat, are ye talking about the heating system? Like showing the radiator config/solar panel/boiler system?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,845 ✭✭✭Noccy_Mondy


    Dylan_1996 wrote: »
    With the project and the write up and practical done, can i afford to do pretty poorly in the theory and still pass? I only need a d3 because im not counting it as one of my subjects :p

    You need to at least pass the theory to pass the exam.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,845 ✭✭✭Noccy_Mondy


    When you say heat, are ye talking about the heating system? Like showing the radiator config/solar panel/boiler system?

    Yes heating system/water system.


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