I'm NEVER getting a diesel!

robertxxx

I've heard too many horror story's to turn me off them for life.

I get a text from my sister today who has a 08 Santa fe, with 75k miles on the clock, she said the "car" was blowing black smoke from the exhaust and lost a lot of power.

Anyway it turns out from her text, the turbo and a few bits needed replacing.

Wait for it............€2350 total!! €780 was labour.


READERS OF POST #3 check my post #13.

MidlandsM

Old news. Stay in yer petrol yoke.

YbFocus

Total OTT there.

When minded correctly they are fantastic, mine hasn't given a bit of trouble.
None of my diesels ever have.
They can give a bit of hassle but not to never buy one again, they are a touch more complex than petrols, but as I said when minded correctly they can be perfect.

Not that the santa fe wasn't minded etc, but it takes very little to upset a turbo, be it petrol or diesel.

mullingar

robertxxx wrote: »

I've heard too many horror story's to turn me off them for life.

I get a text from my sister today who has a 08 Santa fe, with 75k miles on the clock, she said the "car" was blowing black smoke from the exhaust and lost a lot of power.

Anyway it turns out from her text, the turbo and a few bits needed replacing.

Wait for it............€2350 total!! €780 was labour.

Did you sister go to a main dealer with a 6 year old car for that quote???

amkin25

Was gonna say that myself if it wasn't a turbo doubt there would be the issues,had a diesel myself for yonks never give an ounce of trouble and i put some mileage on it.

Bpmull

Fairly common problem with them Santa Fe afaik. Kind of yoke you'd want to buy new and sell when it's 4 years old. Plenty of reliable diesels out there. My parents have had diesels for 20 years plus and they never had any real problems with any of them. They never actually broke down before have never done a clutch or turbo or anything more than a timming belt in anything they've had that I remember anyway. I've had 3 diesels one was a sh!tbox but that's my own fault for buying a 1.6 Psa. The 1.3 astra I had needed no major mechanical work. So far with the 1.9tdi golf I have the only thing I seem to have bought so far is wheel caps the glue keeps going soft and falling off.

Let's not forget too its not like if you have a petrol car they are immune from breaking down.

naughtysmurf

10,000Km a year?, probably shouldn't be driving a diesel, what's the service history like? maybe that's part of the issue, nearly 90k on our 4yr year old diesel & it's purring like a kitten

YbFocus

naughtysmurf wrote: »

10,000Km a year?, probably shouldn't be driving a diesel, what's the service history like? maybe that's part of the issue, nearly 90k on our 4yr year old diesel & it's purring like a kitten

182k miles on my 2004 e60. Never got a turbo or anything! They need the mileage to be worth it and stay reliable.

At 10k a year she didn't warrant a diesel or the last owner didn't!

listermint

naughtysmurf wrote: »

10,000Km a year?, probably shouldn't be driving a diesel, what's the service history like? maybe that's part of the issue, nearly 90k on our 4yr year old diesel & it's purring like a kitten

Now that's a complete spoof. Diesels never purr.


Joker

Kerryfootball

Completely disagree with your view.

Just bought a Diesel and the thing I noticed the most was the fantastic fuel consumption.

Lovely car, all cars need proper maintenance

scwazrh

robertxxx wrote: »

08 Santa fe, with 75k miles

There's a good chance such low annual mileage is part of the problem .

robertxxx

OSI wrote: »

And when was the last time it was serviced?

I keep hearing stories of cars dying far too early and their owners being appalled at their supposed premium car blowing up. Then when you ask them what sort of maintenance it had, it hadn't seen the inside of a garage or sign of a bottle of oil in 50k+

6months ago, by main dealer.

YbFocus wrote: »

Total OTT there.

When minded correctly they are fantastic, mine hasn't given a bit of trouble.
None of my diesels ever have.
They can give a bit of hassle but not to never buy one again, they are a touch more complex than petrols, but as I said when minded correctly they can be perfect.

Not that the santa fe wasn't minded etc, but it takes very little to upset a turbo, be it petrol or diesel.

We'll my mate has an 06 and he put about the same amount of money into his one, problem after problem and that was the garage telling him that while this thing is spitting out random fault codes on the diagnostic tool.

He said he'd burn it if only he had the money to buy a new car.

Bpmull

naughtysmurf wrote: »

10,000Km a year?, probably shouldn't be driving a diesel, what's the service history like? maybe that's part of the issue, nearly 90k on our 4yr year old diesel & it's purring like a kitten

With one of them you wouldn't afford to do much more my parents bought one new in 2007 an auto 7 seater one 28-30 mpg is all it ever done :eek: the manual 2wd were suppose to be better but your wasting your time with a 2wd Santa Fe in saying all that most of them that were sold in Ireland were bogo 2wd models.

robertxxx

mullingar wrote: »

Did you sister go to a main dealer with a 6 year old car for that quote???

Don't know, was only texting her today.

YbFocus

Well I wouldn't go anywhere near a Hyundai regardless anyway, maybe that's the problem.
They're just one of them cars you can buy to get the newest plate for the least money, nothing more.
Hyundai's and kia's etc just seem to be pits for money.

tommy2bad

Hmmm, must just have been unlucky. I'm driving a 98 golf 1.6 diesel. Not a bother on her. Needs a clutch soon, I'm starting to feel it slip a bit, and that'll be the first major repair in it's life.

Supergurrier

I don't do the milage for a diesel.

If i ever end up doing 20k+ i will probably have to buy a diesel, until then

Guy:Incognito

robertxxx wrote: »

I've heard too many horror story's to turn me off them for life.

I get a text from my sister today who has a 08 Santa fe, with 75k miles on the clock, she said the "car" was blowing black smoke from the exhaust and lost a lot of power.

Anyway it turns out from her text, the turbo and a few bits needed replacing.

Wait for it............€2350 total!! €780 was labour.

You know lots of petrols have turbos too yeah?


Why is cars in inverted commas btw? Is it not a real car?

robertxxx

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Why is cars in inverted commas btw? Is it not a real car?

She called it a car, and it's not a car.

unkel

robertxxx wrote: »

08 Santa fe, with 75k miles on the clock the turbo and a few bits needed replacing.

Wait for it............€2350 total!!

Tell her to dump the car in the auctions. Those Hyundai diesels are brutal (when in fairness they were probably not maintained properly - how many cars in Ireland are maintained properly?). Replace the turbo now, you're likely to have to replace / rebuild the (already damaged) engine a little bit down the road, costing you a lot more than replacing a turbo...

And the Hyundai dealer$$$$$$$ seem to be most eager to sell you cheap cars and make a lot of money back after the warranty expires.

wonski

YbFocus wrote: »

Well I wouldn't go anywhere near a Hyundai regardless anyway, maybe that's the problem.
They're just one of them cars you can buy to get the newest plate for the least money, nothing more.
Hyundai's and kia's etc just seem to be pits for money.

The KIA has 7 years warranty, hardly a money pit. There is a 150k km limit iirc?
One of their main selling points. As long as you trade up before the 7 years / 150k km is up you should be fine.

I have heard of premium brands developing very expensive issues despite being serviced on time and at the main dealer. Don't think it is the Koreans who are to blame, really.

unkel

wonski wrote: »

The KIA has 7 years warranty, hardly a money pit.

It is a money pit when most expensive things to go wrong are not covered by that warranty

The first very expensive things to go on modern diesels are probably DMF, DPF, turbo? Are any of those covered?

cabb8ge

But those go on fords, toyota etc too. Hyundai and Kia no worse than any other popular brand.

YbFocus

7 Years is the maximum and I can't remember off the top of my head but many things are only covered for 2 and 3 years...
If Kia were to issue a full 7 year warranty back in 05-06 they'd have closed shop around 2010.

wonski

unkel wrote: »

It is a money pit when most expensive things to go wrong are not covered by that warranty

The first very expensive things to go on modern diesels are probably DMF, DPF, turbo? Are any of those covered?

I don't know, but I do know someone who just bought a brand new Sportage for 32k:eek:, he should know.

If it wasn't covered by the warranty, then wat is? DMF/DPF and Turbo are not consumables so should be covered.

Del2005

robertxxx wrote: »

She called it a car, and it's not a car.

It's is a car. It's a Sonata that got a bigger wheels and slightly longer suspension travel.


I wouldn't buy a diesel as there are a lot of issues with them but the turbo blowing is not a diesel only issue, a mate destroyed a Legacy B4 engine, it's that turbo engines require more minding, especially when turning off. There will be similar issues with the small cc petrol turbos cropping up now in cars.

wonski

YbFocus wrote: »

7 Years is the maximum and I can't remember off the top of my head but many things are only covered for 2 and 3 years...
If Kia were to issue a full 7 year warranty back in 05-06 they'd have closed shop around 2010.

From their website:

• Paintwork is covered for 5 years.
• Audio is covered for 3 years.
• Batteries are covered for 2 years.
• Normal ‘wear and tear’ on items such as brake linings and clutch linings, etc. are excluded from cover.
• The warranty is transferable to subsequent owners and is valid across Europe

Don't have a time or patience to find the small print, but maybe someone over here had one and can answer if turbo and dpf are covered, and for how long.

Still impressive - imagine going back with your radio or battery after 2-3 years to your non-KIA dealer.

YbFocus

wonski wrote: »

I don't know, but I do know someone who just bought a brand new Sportage for 32k:eek:, he should know.

If it wasn't covered by the warranty, then wat is? DMF/DPF and Turbo are not consumables so should be covered.

DMF and DPF are items that if you're driving the car properly neither will give any trouble.
Why would a manufacturer cover someone not giving their diesel the driving it needs to clear the dpf or unable to take care of their dmf.
If their was anything wrong with either then there'd be a callback.
If not then its down to the driver.

YbFocus

wonski wrote: »

From their website:



Don't have a time or patience to find the small print, but maybe someone over here had one and can answer if turbo and dpf are covered, and for how long.

Still impressive - imagine going back with your radio or battery after 2-3 years to your non-KIA dealer.

Impressive, but I find the audio one weird, never hear of anyone ever having had a radio go in a car
There's just no way they cover those parts, too many variables down to the driver.

cabb8ge

YbFocus wrote: »

DMF and DPF are items that if you're driving the car properly neither will give any trouble......

Lot of DMF fail prematurely through no fault of driver style.

wonski

YbFocus wrote: »

Impressive, but I find the audio one weird, never hear of anyone ever having had a radio go in a car
There's just no way they cover those parts, too many variables down to the driver.

To be honest i have an old battery - have it for over 3 years, and god knows how many years before i bought the car and it is still working fine.
2 - 3 years is nothing out of ordinary, but still good to know that basics are covered.

As for the variables i don't buy the whole don't buy a diesel if you don't do a 100000 miles a year. Taxi drivers, an post, casual drivers all buy diesels and just small chunk of them gives a trouble (we only hear a lot about this due to the cost of the repairs).
Give it a blast on a motorway once-twice a week and it will be fine.

Reminds me of a guy who bought a 330d and was parked for 15 minutes at work with his engine ticking over to cool down the turbo as per internet advice:rolleyes:.
If it was true then this car should have never left the factory as it was not fit for purpose.

Tail Docker

Had a span-new petrol Clio eco-model on hire all week. Mileage? Unreal. Diesel is not the end-all or b all.

YbFocus

I have a 530d and always drive it easy for the last minute or so, as you should with any turbo car just so you know wonski.
It's got to do with the turbo being allowed to cool down. If you're driving the car on right up until you switch it off then the turbo is super hot and you have just cut off it's oil supply.
So it sits there destroying itself and when you come back you rapidly discover your turbo ain't what it used to be
I am in the habit of allowing the car sit for 10 seconds or so regardless. 15 minutes is ridiculous and he should have been mocked

wonski

YbFocus wrote: »

I have a 530d and always drive it easy for the last minute or so, as you should with any turbo car just so you know wonski.
It's got to do with the turbo being allowed to cool down. If you're driving the car on right up until you switch it off then the turbo is super hot and you have just cut off it's oil supply.
So it sits there destroying itself and when you come back you rapidly discover your turbo ain't what it used to be
I am in the habit of allowing the car sit for 10 seconds or so regardless. 15 minutes is ridiculous and he should have been mocked

I'm not saying it doesn't need to cool down, but some people do bring it to a completely new level by reading all the horror stories on the internet:D

A proper maintenance is a key. This might involve driving a car easy for first few minutes / last few minutes. This applies to both a petrol and a diesel.

If we take into account a number of companies having diesels as company cars (well - all of them really), being driven in all type of manner, I would say that they are reliable. Plenty of people who don't do huge miles still enjoy driving them and do not have major problems.
Cars do brake down, always will. Petrol, or diesel.

YbFocus

wonski wrote: »

I'm not saying it doesn't need to cool down, but some people do bring it to a completely new level by reading all the horror stories on the internet:D

A proper maintenance is a key. This might involve driving a car easy for first few minutes / last few minutes. This applies to both a petrol and a diesel.

If we take into account a number of companies having diesels as company cars (well - all of them really), being driven in all type of manner, I would say that they are reliable. Plenty of people who don't do huge miles still enjoy driving them and do not have major problems.
Cars do brake down, always will. Petrol, or diesel.

Exactly, there is nothing wrong with them once they are treated well, which goes for petrol too
I can't get over the 15 minute wait. We give the track car a max of 1 min after a 10 min roasting on the track.

biko

Some posts removed, get the hint

SawTroll

I used drive a 3.0 isuzu trooper and at one stage i said that is it with diesel but as to anyone who knows that engine knows one cannot be prejudice.

jca

SawTroll wrote: »

I used drive a 3.0 isuzu trooper and at one stage i said that is it with diesel but as to anyone who knows that engine knows one cannot be prejudice.

:D Now that's an engine that deserves a thread of its own.... Complete junk:mad:

YbFocus

OSI wrote: »

Pretty sure most cars with a turbo have some form of timer on them at this stage. I know my own definitely does.

Maybe I'm just lucky but I have 182k miles on the car now and it's on it's original one. Every few months I check it for movement and although its got a touch more than a new one its well within acceptable limits.

No Pants

Supergurrier wrote: »

I don't do the milage for a diesel.

If i ever end up doing 20k+ i will probably have to buy a diesel, until then

That's exactly what I was going to say. Unfortunately not everyone thinks that way and/or understanding the reasoning behind such a statement. I believe that a lot of people have bought diesels because of the current and temporary cheaper motor tax liability. They may not do the mileage and a good percentage wouldn't know what maintenance was if it kicked them up the arse.

A neighbours car is off having an engine replaced and headlights fixed. Apparently one of them "hasn't worked for years, so I had to drive around with the full lights on". Yesterday she had a different car parked in the driveway and knocked round to ask me where the water bottle for the washers was.

manor

05 Audi A4 1.9tdi

258,000 kms

Replaced egr valve at 164,000 kms

Timing belt at 110,000 and 245,000 kms

That,s it folks

manor

05 Audi A4 1.9tdi

258,000 kms

Replaced egr valve at 164,000 kms

Timing belt at 110,000 and 245,000 kms

That,s it folks

charcosull

Ah yeah but you had to do it all twice Manor :-)

bmstuff

Not too bad a recent range rover would set you back for about 4500 euros as the body needs to come off to change the turbos

Mrtayto27

I'm driving Hyundai for 10 years. First Santa fe 2 years old traded in with 130k with no issues while I had it second Santa fe traded in 4 years old with 210k on the clock no issues, third Santa fe currently has 210k on the clock had a flywheel replaced due to some abuse I gave it in the snowy weather, blaming diesel cars is a bit ott, maybe other factors should be looked at like the garage in question, service intervals or driving style, is the car towing

manor

manor wrote: »

05 Audi A4 1.9tdi

258,000 kms

Replaced egr valve at 164,000 kms

Timing belt at 110,000 and 245,000 kms

That,s it folks

The good O'L B6 great car, mine went for 200,000 miles and I sold it, was on the long life service too. 321,000 Kms.

Horribly unrefined engine though.

The PD's are better but still too commercial for my liking.

MuppetCheck

wonski wrote: »

I don't know, but I do know someone who just bought a brand new Sportage for 32k:eek:, he should know.

If it wasn't covered by the warranty, then wat is? DMF/DPF and Turbo are not consumables so should be covered.

A DMF a year or two down the road would be a hard one to prove.

Kia do cover the DPF and turbo. My father got a diesel for town driving simply because they were covered. There was little choice when it came to petrol engined cars with a bit of spec otherwise. He was laughed out of a few places even asking to order the petrol versions of some cars.

I think there is a reversal of the diesel trend recently though. I can see it going back to diesels being a few grand more expensive in the not too distant future.

It will be interesting to see will the Euro's 6 regulations make diesels more expensive ?

They are much stricter than Euro 5.

Mrtayto27

I'm driving Hyundai for 10 years. First Santa fe 2 years old traded in with 130k with no issues while I had it second Santa fe traded in 4 years old with 210k on the clock no issues, third Santa fe currently has 210k on the clock had a flywheel replaced due to some abuse I gave it in the snowy weather, blaming diesel cars is a bit ott, maybe other factors should be looked at like the garage in question, service intervals or driving style, is the car towing

Mrtayto27

I'm driving Hyundai for 10 years. First Santa fe 2 years old traded in with 130k with no issues while I had it second Santa fe traded in 4 years old with 210k on the clock no issues, third Santa fe currently has 210k on the clock had a flywheel replaced due to some abuse I gave it in the snowy weather, blaming diesel cars is a bit ott, maybe other factors should be looked at like the garage in question, service intervals or driving style, is the car towing

dr.fuzzenstein

OP, going to the main dealer and asking them to replace a turbo is like giving your missus the credit card, bringing her to London, new york and Paris and tell her "we won the lotto, go nuts dear".
The only thing to do with a turbo is go recon, new is insane money and second hand is buying other people's problems. I can't believe people still don't know that

http://www.turbo-tech.ie/