How does part-time work effect my BTEA rate?

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I understood that in previous years part-time work didn't effect your rate of BTEA but did this change in last years budget?

I have been on a JA rate of €188 for over a year and will be starting a full-time degree in September.

I will be starting a part-time job in a month that is 8 hours per week. Does anyone how the formula or have a link so that I can see how much of a deduction this will be off my BTEA in September.

I can't see anything about it on Citizens Info or Welfare.ie. It's easy to find the formula for means for part-time work in relation to casual JA but not BTEA.

Thank you.

Musicman2000

another question wrote: »

I understood that in previous years part-time work didn't effect your rate of BTEA but did this change in last years budget?

I have been on a JA rate of €188 for over a year and will be starting a full-time degree in September.

I will be starting a part-time job in a month that is 8 hours per week. Does anyone how the formula or have a link so that I can see how much of a deduction this will be off my BTEA in September.

I can't see anything about it on Citizens Info or Welfare.ie. It's easy to find the formula for means for part-time work in relation to casual JA but not BTEA.

Thank you.

You won't be deducted while on BTEA .You can work part time as long as it won't effect college.

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Musicman2000 wrote: »

You won't be deducted while on BTEA .You can work part time as long as it won't effect college.

So part-time work definitely doesn't effect BTEA, I thought that had changed but great news if it hasn't. Is the rate only €160 per week now? I receive €188 JA that's a drop of nearly €30 and I'm going to be driving 40 mins every day that I wasn't before.

Balagan

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So part-time work definitely doesn't effect BTEA, I thought that had changed but great news if it hasn't. Is the rate only €160 per week now? I receive €188 JA that's a drop of nearly €30 and I'm going to be driving 40 mins every day that I wasn't before.

Those already on BTEA can work part time during the academic year and not have their payment affected. Those already on BTEA can work in the summers between academic years of their course and return to their previous BTEA rate when the course continues. However, if you are coming new to BTEA this September and get a part time job between now and then, your BTEA rate will only match your Jobseekers rate at the time you get BTEA. The €160 BTEA rate you mention is applicable to those under 26 who are on reduced payments of €100 or €144 due to their age and when they started on Jobseekers.

Since 1 January 2013, if you are a new BTEA participant aged over 25 your weekly BTEA rate will be equal to your previous social protection payment (the payment that qualified you for participation in the scheme).

If you are a new participant aged under 25 and you were getting a reduced age-related Jobseeker's Allowance payment, you will get a new personal maximum BTEA rate of €160 (any means you have will be deducted from this rate). You may also qualify for increases for a qualified adult and qualified children (see 'Qualified adult' below). People who were getting a Back to Education Allowance before 1 January 2013 are not affected by the Budget 2013 changes and continue to be paid at the same rate.
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/back_to_education/back_to_education_allowance.html

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Balagan wrote: »

Those already on BTEA can work part time during the academic year and not have their payment affected. Those already on BTEA can work in the summers between academic years of their course and return to their previous BTEA rate when the course continues. However, if you are coming new to BTEA this September and get a part time job between now and then, your BTEA rate will only match your Jobseekers rate at the time you get BTEA. The €160 BTEA rate you mention is applicable to those under 26 who are on reduced payments of €100 or €144 due to their age and when they started on Jobseekers.

Since 1 January 2013, if you are a new BTEA participant aged over 25 your weekly BTEA rate will be equal to your previous social protection payment (the payment that qualified you for participation in the scheme).

If you are a new participant aged under 25 and you were getting a reduced age-related Jobseeker's Allowance payment, you will get a new personal maximum BTEA rate of €160 (any means you have will be deducted from this rate). You may also qualify for increases for a qualified adult and qualified children (see 'Qualified adult' below). People who were getting a Back to Education Allowance before 1 January 2013 are not affected by the Budget 2013 changes and continue to be paid at the same rate.
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/back_to_education/back_to_education_allowance.html

Thanks for that but I have read all that already, I've just read so much that I end up confusing myself. My circumstances are that I receive €188 ja, I'm 25 and won't be 26 until next May. I was already On €188 before the new rates came in so mine didn't change. I'll be starting part-time work at the weekends shortly. So based on that what do you think my situation will be?

Balagan

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Thanks for that but I have read all that already, I've just read so much that I end up confusing myself. My circumstances are that I receive €188 ja, I'm 25 and won't be 26 until next May. I was already On €188 before the new rates came in so mine didn't change. I'll be starting part-time work at the weekends shortly. So based on that what do you think my situation will be?

If you are commencing BTEA this September, then your BTEA rate will match what your Jobseekers rate will be at the time you apply.

If you choose to post how much you are expecting to be paid for the weekend work then some kind person on here who is familiar with these calculations may well be able to give you an idea of what your Jobseekers rate will be after you start work.

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Balagan wrote: »

If you are commencing BTEA this September, then your BTEA rate will match what your Jobseekers rate will be at the time you apply.

If you choose to post how much you are expecting to be paid for the weekend work then some kind person on here who is familiar with these calculations may well be able to give you an idea of what your Jobseekers rate will be after you start work.

Thanks for that. I was up until a month ago employed part-time for over 3 years so I am fairly familiar with the formula that calculates the means from income which is deductable from casual JA.

Now that I have clarified that my if I commence this September my BTEA rate will be €188, I just want to know if my new part-time work will be deductable from the BTEA like it is from casual ja (the dockets we leave in each week).


I used to work 3 days per week and got deducted roughly €30 per day so my JA used to work out at €98 per week. So I'm just wondering even though I get €188 now because I lost my job when I take up part-time employment again will this be deducted from BTEA when it commences in September.


Hopes that makes sense for anyone that can shed some light. Basically just want to know if I can receive €188 BTEA and earn a few pound at the weekends without it being assessed as means and as a result reducing my BTEA.

eastbono

Just to reiterate what Balgan has posted. If you are commencing BTEA in September then whatever rate of payment you are on prior to this is the rate you will be paid whilst on BTEA with the exception of age related payments.

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eastbono wrote: »

Just to reiterate what Balgan has posted. If you are commencing BTEA in September then whatever rate of payment you are on prior to this is the rate you will be paid whilst on BTEA with the exception of age related payments.

Yes, thanks I understand that part. I just want to know if income from part-time employment is deducted as means from BTEA like the way it is with Jobseekers allowance.

eastbono

Whatever means are assessed against you prior to going on BTEA will also be applied to your BTEA payment. I cant make it any clearer than this.

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eastbono wrote: »

Whatever means are assessed against you prior to going on BTEA will also be applied to your BTEA payment. I cant make it any clearer than this.

Ok I get that now thanks that a lot seems to hinge on what you prior situation is but say for argument sake that I remained unemployed, commenced college in September and then picked up a job in October, would it then be deducted. The citizens info site is very unclear on this. Previously you could work without it affecting and BTEA.

eastbono

AFAIK if you commence part time employment after commencing college then that is not assessed.

1.16.3 Revised Decision

If a BTEA recipient ceases employment while in receipt of the allowance, the rate of BTEA should be reviewed favourable provided we have documentary proof of cessation of work. Similarly, if a person's work pattern changes while in receipt of the allowance their case should also be reviewed, taking into account their new work pattern.

It should be noted that BTEA participants may commence part-time employment without affecting their rate of BTEA payment but only after commencing BTEA, provided the work does not interfere with college attendance. If there is a change in means circumstances during the academic year, other than commencement of part-time work by the BTEA recipient as outlined above, then a revised decision may be applied.

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eastbono wrote: »

AFAIK if you commence part time employment after commencing college then that is not assessed.

1.16.3 Revised Decision

If a BTEA recipient ceases employment while in receipt of the allowance, the rate of BTEA should be reviewed favourable provided we have documentary proof of cessation of work. Similarly, if a person's work pattern changes while in receipt of the allowance their case should also be reviewed, taking into account their new work pattern.

It should be noted that BTEA participants may commence part-time employment without affecting their rate of BTEA payment but only after commencing BTEA, provided the work does not interfere with college attendance. If there is a change in means circumstances during the academic year, other than commencement of part-time work by the BTEA recipient as outlined above, then a revised decision may be applied.

Thank you so much, that paragraph says exactly what I need to know. I had been on the welfare website, don't know how I missed it, had myself all confused. Thank you for your patience and help

gillovespandas

In light of everything I've read here my situation seems to have changed this year. I'm in second year now and last year everything was fine I was getting 188 and my handful of part time hours then when summer came round I switched to the casual dockets for the course of the summer. Unfortunately now because of that my btea payment is reduced for this entire year to the amount of my average summer casual workers cheque. It's like they're punishing people that try do some work over summer as opposed to just signing on. So basically for this summer the only way I can be guaranteed the 188 for next years btea is to try make do with just the few crappy work hours without the casual....or quit and sign on. It's ridiculuos. Anyone else had this problem???

jermur11

@gillovespandas Found this thread as my friend told me today that she was in your situation...worked part time in the summer between 1st and 2nd year of college and her BTEA was cut from 188 in her first year to around a 100 this year. It seems to be fine working during the college term, but if you work during the summer you will be punished.

Constant Curiosity

can anyone clarify the information above? i'm 26 mature engineering student and got a part time job, is there any point for me trying to pull off 25h there or instead just do 10h and get the same pay plus focus on college or projects? i suffer from a physical disability so this information is very important, thank you