Water Charges List!

ardle1

Just thought I'd compile a list off all the extras we should expect with our water charges!

Regular arguments with your family about water usage.
Stress due to water usage.
Anxiety due to water charges...... Anyway you get the message.

I think the larger sometimes less well off families are the ones that will suffer most.And I really do think that 'occupancy' of house-hold should be a MAJOR factor when calculating bills.

Lucifer MorningStar

We will all be going round smelling like sh1te

Alf. A. Male

I thought this was gonna be a list of options, like still or sparkling, fluoridated or not etc. I am disappoint.

Fr_Dougal

In apartment blocks, a one bedroom apartment will be charged the same amount as a 3-4 bedroomed apartment. No incentive to cut down on water use.

Sir Arthur Daley

Tapping into your neighbours pipe is the answer, just stick it in and say nothing.

The Backwards Man

I'm damn sure I'm not going to start arguing with myself over the head of water charges!

Son Of A Vidic

Lucifer MorningStar wrote: »

We will all be going round smelling like sh1te

Since they say cleanliness is next to godliness. I thought Satan of all people, would be really delighted with the inevitable increase in national Mong levels.

Lucifer MorningStar

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Since they say cleanliness is next to godliness. I thought Satan of all people, would be really delighted with the inevitable increase in national Mong levels.

Hey that reminds me, I say every beach all over Ireland will be flooded daily with skangers when this comes in :pac:

SafeSurfer

ardle1 wrote: »

Just thought I'd compile a list off all the extras we should expect with our water charges!

Regular arguments with your family about water usage.
Stress due to water usage.
Anxiety due to water charges...... Anyway you get the message.

I think the larger sometimes less well off families are the ones that will suffer most.And I really do think that 'occupancy' of house-hold should be a MAJOR factor when calculating bills.

It should even itself out as the poor/unemployed wash less regularly than the employed/rich.

ardle1

SafeSurfer wrote: »

It should even itself out as the poor/unemployed wash less regularly than the employed/rich.

Ha, eh I was thinking more along the lines off single parent families or 'some' who may as well be single parent!! with a few children......

dxhound2005

ardle1 wrote: »

Just thought I'd compile a list off all the extras we should expect with our water charges!

Regular arguments with your family about water usage.
Stress due to water usage.
Anxiety due to water charges...... Anyway you get the message.

I think the larger sometimes less well off families are the ones that will suffer most.And I really do think that 'occupancy' of house-hold should be a MAJOR factor when calculating bills.

Do you have these arguments about electricity and central heating? Water has cost you nothing so far but they have cost you thousands. What has that done to your stress levels? Do you have these arguments about food waste? That should be very stressful if your household is typical. Do any other services like the ESB take occupancy into account even in a MINOR way?

SafeSurfer

ardle1 wrote: »

Ha, eh I was thinking more along the lines off single parent families or 'some' who may as well be single parent!! with a few children......

Studies show that single parent families bathe their children less frequently than heterosexual couples, while homosexual couples bathe their children most of all.

dxhound2005

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Studies show that single parent families bathe their children less frequently than heterosexual couples, while homosexual couples bathe their children most of all.

Studies of Irish families? Are lesbian couples and male gay couples equal in all the studies of this behaviour?

SafeSurfer

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Studies of Irish families? Are lesbian couples and male gay couples equal in all the studies of this behaviour?

Why should homosexual couples of either gender be treated differently. What defines you more, your gender or your sexual orientation?

ardle1

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Do you have these arguments about electricity and central heating? Water has cost you nothing so far but they have cost you thousands. What has that done to your stress levels? Do you have these arguments about food waste? That should be very stressful if your household is typical. Do any other services like the ESB take occupancy into account even in a MINOR way?

I think when it comes to 'water' the tenant base in a House would make a much greater difference in usage when compared to Heating or Electricity!
Would you not agree........

dxhound2005

ardle1 wrote: »

I think when it comes to 'water' the tenant base in a House would make a much greater difference in usage when compared to Heating or Electricity!
Would you not agree........

Not in my house, no.

Guy:Incognito

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Studies show that single parent families bathe their children less frequently than heterosexual couples, while homosexual couples bathe their children most of all.

Studies have shown I think about lesbian couples bathing themselves quite frequently.

dxhound2005

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Why should homosexual couples of either gender be treated differently. What defines you more, your gender or your sexual orientation?

What prompted the studies of the frequency with which different family formations bathe their children? Have you any links to the studies, and were they done in Ireland or elsewhere?

The only factor logically to me which would influence how often children are bathed or indeed the usage of water for any other activity is the cost of the water. Up until now and for the time being it is free in Ireland so there should be no difference between single parent families, hetrosexual couples or homosexual couples of either gender. Again what was the motivation for doing such studies?

Edit: The cost of heating the water would be a factor. But it has nothing to do with family type.

Sir Arthur Daley

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Studies have shown I think about lesbian couples bathing themselves quite frequently.

Link pics?

pO1Neil

Anyone tries to enforce water tax on me Ill blow their head of with a M16.

Sir Arthur Daley

pO1Neil wrote: »

Anyone tries to enforce water tax on me Ill blow their head of with a M16.

You will of course :rolleyes:

ardle1

ardle1 wrote: »

I think when it comes to 'water' the tenant base in a House would make a much greater difference in usage when compared to Heating or Electricity!
Would you not agree........

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Not in my house, no.

Ok, heres a very summarised small scenario
Mary has 3 children and Joan has 2....
All five children are watching TV in their respective warm Homes.
Both mothers decide to make their children a warm beverage before giving them a shower and putting them to bed.
As the kids are falling asleep both parents receive an itemised bill of all that happened and can be billed in each House in the last two hours!
Who Receives the highest bill?

Lou.m

pO1Neil wrote: »

Anyone tries to enforce water tax on me Ill blow their head of with a M16.

Marry me?:o

FREETV

I didn't vote these shower of w######s in power and I will never pay for polluted, toxic tap water.
It stinks of chemicals and tastes dreadful. Undrinkable.

They are subservient to the EU and do not listen to the wishes of the people.
Lying corrupt dictators in suits, we would be better off voting the three main parties out of power and vote for Independents and Sinn Fein.
Yes Sinn Fein, because we are not living in a democracy.
We didn't have a vote on whether to implement installation of meters or pay for water charges therefore we are all living in a controlled forced dictatorship.

Show the two fingers to the other three parties and vote for Sinn Fein and Independents if you want to have more of a say and wish to have more money in your already depleted bank accounts.
The Dail is just theatre.
It is a farce. :mad: :P

PizzamanIRL

I can't wait to pay for water.

donegal__road

fill as many tanks of water as you can now before the charges come in, and brew a load of beer and wine.

Snake

FREETV wrote: »

I didn't vote these shower of w######s in power and I will never pay for polluted, toxic tap water.
It stinks of chemicals and tastes dreadful. Undrinkable.

They are subservient to the EU and do not listen to the wishes of the people.
Lying corrupt dictators in suits, we would be better off voting the three main parties out of power and vote for Independents and Sinn Fein.
Yes Sinn Fein, because we are not living in a democracy.
We didn't have a vote on whether to implement installation of meters or pay for water charges therefore we are all living in a controlled forced dictatorship.

Show thetwo fingers to the other three parties and vote for Sinn Fein and Independents if you want to have more of a say and wish to have more money in your already depleted bank accounts.
The Dail is just theatre.
It is a farce. :mad: :P

Well it's nice you can afford to shower with bottled water. I however will use the mains like a normal person pay the bill and get on with life

FREETV

GrayFox208 wrote: »

Well it's nice you can afford to shower with bottled water. I however will use the mains like a normal person pay the bill and get on with life

Bottled water for a shower.
I am looking in to a rain water system and installing it myself for showering in the near future.
The problem with most people in this country is that they just take the hit and accept it instead of using some initiative and sticking up for themselves.
I am talking generally and not having a go at you.

I am a normal person however though when one isn't given a vote and a choice and you are forced against your will to pay for water which is in abundance in Ireland then one knows something is wrong with the way this country is being run.

The leaks in old pipes and implementation of fluoride are the problems.
The normal people are the ones who are protesting about water meters and impending water charges.
Do you think that it is right in your opinion for the public to be screwed until the pips squeak to pay all of these extra taxes including bank charges?

FREETV

I just saw this online after googling.
I am not affiliated in any way with them.
Protest against water charges in the republic of Ireland | Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Protest-against-water-charges-in-the-republic-of-Ireland/213410058694008?hc_location=timeline

mad muffin

Irish households post water charges

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaudUAHZinw

gctest50

FREETV wrote: »

I didn't vote these shower of w######s in power and I will never pay for polluted, toxic tap water.
It stinks of chemicals and tastes dreadful. Undrinkable.

They are subservient to the EU and do not listen to the wishes of the people.
Lying corrupt dictators in suits, we would be better off voting the three main parties out of power and .......

You sound very stressed about it - having a nice bath in the evening might help

FREETV

No, I am not actually, I am annoyed for every other citizen that will pay.
My partner owns this house so I will not pay a cent for any tap water!:D
I already buy bottled water for drinking. :pac:

FREETV

People nationwide should flat out refuse to pay any of their bills and let them put that in their pipes and smoke it.
Once you give in, air tax is next!

Annasopra

FREETV wrote: »

I didn't vote these shower of w######s in power and I will never pay for polluted, toxic tap water.
It stinks of chemicals and tastes dreadful. Undrinkable.

They are subservient to the EU and do not listen to the wishes of the people.
Lying corrupt dictators in suits, we would be better off voting the three main parties out of power and vote for Independents and Sinn Fein.
Yes Sinn Fein, because we are not living in a democracy.
We didn't have a vote on whether to implement installation of meters or pay for water charges therefore we are all living in a controlled forced dictatorship.

Show the two fingers to the other three parties and vote for Sinn Fein and Independents if you want to have more of a say and wish to have more money in your already depleted bank accounts.
The Dail is just theatre.
It is a farce. :mad: :P

The same Sinn Fein that charge for water up North?

ZeroThreat

gonna be a lot more meatflaps smelling like piss soon.

Reformed Character

ardle1 wrote: »

And I really do think that 'occupancy' of house-hold should be a MAJOR factor when calculating bills.

Why?
Do ESB charge a different rate based on occupancy?
Do you pay motor tax based on occupancy levels in your car?
Water is a finite resource, if you want to use clean water then you need to pay for it.
And up until now you haven't been!

Snake

FREETV wrote: »

I just saw this online after googling.
I am not affiliated in any way with them.
Protest against water charges in the republic of Ireland | Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Protest-against-water-charges-in-the-republic-of-Ireland/213410058694008?hc_location=timeline

Suuuuuure you're not.

Snake

FREETV wrote: »

Bottled water for a shower.
I am looking in to a rain water system and installing it myself for showering in the near future.
The problem with most people in this country is that they just take the hit and accept it instead of using some initiative and sticking up for themselves.
I am talking generally and not having a go at you.

I am a normal person however though when one isn't given a vote and a choice and you are forced against your will to pay for water which is in abundance in Ireland then one knows something is wrong with the way this country is being run.

The leaks in old pipes and implementation of fluoride are the problems.
The normal people are the ones who are protesting about water meters and impending water charges.
Do you think that it is right in your opinion for the public to be screwed until the pips squeak to pay all of these extra taxes including bank charges?

I dont care to be honest

FREETV

The water isn't clean, aluminium sulphate is added to make it look clear plus it has lead, mercury, fluoride made from toxic industrial waste from the fertiliser industry and copious amounts of chlorine.
Some people I have heard won't even give the tap water to their dogs or cats.

dxhound2005

FREETV wrote: »

The water isn't clean, aluminium sulphate is added to make it look clear plus it has lead, mercury, fluoride made from toxic industrial waste from the fertiliser industry and copious amounts of chlorine.
Some people I have heard won't even give the tap water to their dogs or cats.

Is a maximum of four parts per million chlorine to water a copious amount? If they are giving their pooches and moggies bottled water it could be just the same as tap water.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/copious

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2190027/Asda-Tesco-selling-tap-water-bottled-water-confusing-customers.html

Snake

FREETV wrote: »

The water isn't clean, aluminium sulphate is added to make it look clear plus it has lead, mercury, fluoride made from toxic industrial waste from the fertiliser industry and copious amounts of chlorine.
Some people I have heard won't even give the tap water to their dogs or cats.

I still don't care, mate.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

FREETV wrote: »

The water isn't clean, aluminium sulphate is added to make it look clear plus it has lead, mercury, fluoride made from toxic industrial waste from the fertiliser industry and copious amounts of chlorine.
Some people I have heard won't even give the tap water to their dogs or cats.

Oh please! All my kids, grandkids, wife and myself have drunk tap water all our lives. The dogs have never shown any ill effects, as neither have we. Those you heard of not giving it to animals need to get some perspective.

I have no more difficulty paying for water than I do for electricity or gas or phones - which little!

893bet

I don't see the problem. We have always been on a private scheme so have always paid for water as there was no public option.

I think everyone should pay but obviously the water quality for many people then needs to improve.

dxhound2005

893bet wrote: »

I don't see the problem. We have always been on a private scheme so have always paid for water as there was no public option.

I think everyone should pay but obviously the water quality for many people then needs to improve.

How many? It could well be a small minority nationally but that is a generalisation just like your statement.

It is the way of things that whenever the quality falls below safe standards it makes the news as has happened in Galway. We are hardly likely to get daily news stories saying water is safe today in Cork or Mullingar or wherever. All I know is that in Co Louth both Dundalk and Drogheda have had new water schemes and both towns are well served. And I have never heard of any problems in other places in the county.

What about your county. How many people need to have their public water supply improved to a safe level? And this is a separate issue from the water supply problem in the Dublin area which does not have a sufficient reserve capacity to cope with occasional breakdowns.

FREETV

Anybody that will pay twice for a natural resource is utterly foolish.
Here come the paid shills again after I have written this.
The water out of the tap here is dreadful.
It smells bad and is undrinkable and I live near Drogheda.
If you want to be fleeced and out of pocket citizens then more fool you.
By the way cancer has increased exponentially since Fluoride was introduced to tap water here.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

FREETV wrote: »

Anybody that will pay twice for a natural resource is utterly foolish.
Here come the paid shills again after I have written this.
The water out of the tap here is dreadful.
It smells bad and is undrinkable and I live near Drogheda.
If you want to be fleeced and out of pocket citizens then more fool you.
By the way cancer has increased exponentially since Fluoride was introduced to tap water here.

Where am I paying twice for water? I paid to a group scheme for years until the council took it over and now I pay nothing for water.

Cancer has increased exponentially since the invention of the jet engine: since colour TV and since Joe Duffy took over on lifeline - all connected in a grand conspiracy?

893bet

dxhound2005 wrote: »

How many? It could well be a small minority nationally but that is a generalisation just like your statement.

It is the way of things that whenever the quality falls below safe standards it makes the news as has happened in Galway. We are hardly likely to get daily news stories saying water is safe today in Cork or Mullingar or wherever. All I know is that in Co Louth both Dundalk and Drogheda have had new water schemes and both towns are well served. And I have never heard of any problems in other places in the county.

What about your county. How many people need to have their public water supply improved to a safe level? And this is a separate issue from the water supply problem in the Dublin area which does not have a sufficient reserve capacity to cope with occasional breakdowns.

Where is the generalisation in my post?=

I said I pay and we have always done. And I think everyone should but if everyone does pay then they should expect a decent drinking supply?

893bet

FREETV wrote: »

Anybody that will pay twice for a natural resource is utterly foolish.
Here come the paid shills again after I have written this.
The water out of the tap here is dreadful.
It smells bad and is undrinkable and I live near Drogheda.
If you want to be fleeced and out of pocket citizens then more fool you.
By the way cancer has increased exponentially since Fluoride was introduced to tap water here.

Lolled at your post in rip off forum.

There is little to no evidence to suggest that fluoride is linked to cancer. Loose links in poorly conducted research.

I suspect you are against everything though. Water charges, free tv, government etc.

For what it's worth I do think fluoride should be removed from the drinking water. And if your water tastes like **** I don't blame you for not wanting to pay. Mine is excellent quality.

dxhound2005

893bet wrote: »

Where is the generalisation in my post?=

I said I pay and we have always done. And I think everyone should but if everyone does pay then they should expect a decent drinking supply?

OK not a generalisation but a non specific statement (many people could mean a few hundred or hundreds of thousands). What I wanted to know is how many, or what percentage of households need the improvement in quality which you expect.

From what I read Irish Water will make the supply safe in areas of Galway and Roscommon where it isn't safe from time to time. Is there a problem with the safety of the supply in your area or in other areas apart from those two which I missed in the news?

And of course any supply however paid for should be decent and not just decent but scientifically proven to be safe on an ongoing basis.

893bet

dxhound2005 wrote: »

OK not a generalisation but a non specific statement (many people could mean a few hundred or hundreds of thousands). What I wanted to know is how many, or what percentage of households need the improvement in quality which you expect.

From what I read Irish Water will make the supply safe in areas of Galway and Roscommon where it isn't safe from time to time. Is there a problem with the safety of the supply in your area or in other areas apart from those two which I missed in the news?

And of course any supply however paid for should be decent and not just decent but scientifically proven to be safe on an ongoing basis.

What pendantic point are you trying to make. I am not even sure if you are agreeing with me or disagreeing with me to be honest.

All I said was I am happy to pay as my water is good. Some peoples water is of poor quality and I don't think they should be expected to pay till this is rectified for good.

dxhound2005

893bet wrote: »

What pendantic point are you trying to make. I am not even sure if you are agreeing with me or disagreeing with me to be honest.

All I said was I am happy to pay as my water is good. Some peoples water is of poor quality and I don't think they should be expected to pay till this is rectified for good.

This is what you wrote:

I think everyone should pay but obviously the water quality for many people then needs to improve.

Now you are saying some people have poor quality water. The only ones that I know of via the media are in Roscommon. It is hardly pedantic to ask how many out of more than a million households do not have a safe supply. You must have had some number in mind when you wrote that.

Scientifically proven safe to drink is the only measure I find relevant and that is not the case in places in Roscommon where Boil Notices are in place.

Poor quality or needs to improve are subjective non scientific measures. Anyone could say my water if of poor quality and it needs to improve and I won't pay until it meets my individual standards. Like our friend from earlier with his chlorine, lead and fluoride concerns.

And I read that the people in Roscommon will not have to pay or not have to pay in full until the Boil Notices are withdrawn.