electric shower (tank fed)

chopsey

been looking to replace my older Triton T90si with a tank fed shower so we can try showering in rainwater

this seemed like a very good price might grab one tomorrow

http://www.woodiesdiy.com/Product/Triton-T90Z-85Kw-Pumped-Electric-Shower-Tank-Fed/15641/11#.U4z9QHJdUqI

dodzy

chopsey wrote: »

been looking to replace my older Triton T90si with a tank fed shower so we can try showering in rainwater

this seemed like a very good price might grab one tomorrow

http://www.woodiesdiy.com/Product/Triton-T90Z-85Kw-Pumped-Electric-Shower-Tank-Fed/15641/11#.U4z9QHJdUqI

'fraid not. 8.5kw model.

chopsey

dodzy wrote: »

'fraid not. 8.5kw model.

what does that mean? dont all electric showers use ridiculous amounts of electricity?

spongbob

Price looks good, But the installation for me would not be easy,As far as I know electric showers need to be ran direct off the main switch board. So 200euro for the shower unit and another 100 for an electrician?

moodrater

spongbob wrote: »

Price looks good, But the installation for me would not be easy,As far as I know electric showers need to be ran direct off the main switch board. So 200euro for the shower unit and another 100 for an electrician?

If the wirings not already there you could be looking at lifting floors, drilling walls, ceiling and joists, chasing walls and floors, retiling etc. etc. the cable itself could easily be 50 quid plus mcb and if you have an old rcd add on a new ELCB, let alone the labour.

moodrater

chopsey wrote: »

what does that mean? dont all electric showers use ridiculous amounts of electricity?

He probably means 8.5kw is often not hot enough if the winter, 10.5 is the job but if you're replacing an 8.5kw then you know what you're getting.

richieb

moodrater wrote: »

He probably means 8.5kw is often not hot enough if the winter, 10.5 is the job but if you're replacing an 8.5kw then you know what you're getting.

as an electrician , a small bit of important information, an existing 8.5 kilowatt shower would have been wired in 6 mm sq twin and earth , a new 10.5 kilowatt shower can NOT be wired in 6 mm sq twin and earth but MUST be wired in 10 sq twin and earth, if you do so there is a definite risk of a fire breaking out, the loading in amps for the 10.5 kilowatt shower will EXCEED the maximum current capacity of the 6 sq twin and earth. also a quick point an rcbo is required for an electric shower, a combination of a mcb and an elcb.

richieb

also with the rainwater for the electric shower you need a minimum head height from the shower to the tank so you would have to pump the water from collection point , id assume ground level to a separate tank in the attic and then the filtering would have to be excellent as a small bit of debris or foreign body will clog the shower and poss. burn it out, I think the idea is a no go for those reasons

chopsey

great responses, thanks to all who responded. i decided to stay with what i have until i do a bit more research.

replacing the Triton T90si with the Triton T90z is a straight swap as far as i'm aware without the need for wiring upgrades or any of that so what i was going to do would just do a straight swap for now and down the line once i got my water reclamation up and running i'd look at dropping a feed from the attic to replace the current mains water connection to the T90si.

dodzy

chopsey wrote: »

what does that mean? dont all electric showers use ridiculous amounts of electricity?

I just meant that it was not such a great deal. The 8.5Kw are usually in that ballpark. I didn't pay too much attention but I'm sure B&Q had a 8.5Kw yesterday for somewhere in the region of €130. Was rushing so didn't get a chance to have a good mooch.

dodzy

chopsey wrote: »

great responses, thanks to all who responded. i decided to stay with what i have until i do a bit more research.

replacing the Triton T90si with the Triton T90z is a straight swap as far as i'm aware without the need for wiring upgrades or any of that so what i was going to do would just do a straight swap for now and down the line once i got my water reclamation up and running i'd look at dropping a feed from the attic to replace the current mains water connection to the T90si.

Unless I'm losing my marbles, the T90z is a pumped shower unit, as was T90si. Not for use on a mains supply, but the way I'm reading your posts, you are connected to a mains supply ? The T90si / T90z is Gravity fed only.

ibFoxer

richieb wrote: »

t90si is MAINS water....T90 z is pumped .....you CAN NOT run a pumped shower off mains pressure ....you will burn it out in a matter of minutes....check with a plumber....he will tell you the same story

I'm afraid you're incorrect, T90si is tank fed, not mains water. T80 is mains fed electric shower alright.

T90si to T90z is a straight swap.

Source: Work in the building, heating and plumbing supplies industry.

OP- €209 is a reasonably good price for the shower.

richieb

foxerv1 wrote: »

I'm afraid you're incorrect, T90si is tank fed, not mains water. T80 is mains fed electric shower alright.

T90si to T90z is a straight swap.

Source: Work in the building, heating and plumbing supplies industry.

OP- €209 is a reasonably good price for the shower.

had googled t90 z and did not google t90si, saw the z was tank feed , took it for granted the 90si was mains as he described in his post so just issued a warning that water mains showers CANNOT be swapped with tank fed shower foxerv1, thanks for clearing that up

Rainwaterman

To the original poster

Rainwater has to be filtered and treated in order for you to shower or bath in it.
If you do not filter and treat it via 3 stage filtration and UV sterilization then you risk serious illness and skin infections to you and your family.You will need to address this matter before you even think of showering or bathing in it.This will cost you alot more money then the shower unit you are looking at.

Sleeper12

Rainwaterman wrote: »

To the original poster

Rainwater has to be filtered and treated in order for you to shower or bath in it.
If you do not filter and treat it via 3 stage filtration and UV sterilization then you risk serious illness and skin infections to you and your family.You will need to address this matter before you even think of showering or bathing in it.This will cost you alot more money then the shower unit you are looking at.

This is the most sensible post. You really need to research rainwater & showering.
You can collect rainwater using fairly simple filters & use it safely for flushing toilets and running the washing machine.

If you want to shower in it then that's a whole new ball game. This water needs treatment, uv lights etc. This is much more expensive.

TThe average house would need a 5000 litre tank to run washing machine and toilets. That's a lot of water right there.

TThe electric shower stuff is easy
€209 is a great price for a triton t90z. Woodies are making around €10 profit on these. B&Q do not sell these below €200 anymore as it is below cost selling

tinofapples

Might buy one of these to replace a Mira Elite in an unused ensuite. Anyone know is there a huge difference in water and electric entry points between the Elite ST and this Triton ?

gctest50

tinofapples wrote: »

Might buy one of these to replace a Mira Elite in an unused ensuite.

Don't - it'll be lukewarm misery - when its flowing at a decent rate

dodzy wrote: »

'fraid not. 8.5kw model.

Sleeper12

gctest50 wrote: »

Don't - it'll be lukewarm misery

I'm not sure what might be wrong with your 8.5kw shower that it is only luke warm (I'd suggest 1 of the elements has failed)

An 8.5kw gives the same maximum temperature as a 9.5kw shower as the Tco will cut in at the same temperature on any shower. The water pressure will be slightly stronger with the 9.5kw.

OP 8.5kw will give you a very hot shower. More than 99% of triton electric showers sold in Ireland are 8.5kw & they work perfectly.

Remember that you WILL need 10mm cable if you go for the 9.5kw.
The 9.5kw costs around €280