100L waterbutt kit woodies

dobsdave

Bought one today, 29.99euro.
http://www.woodiesdiy.com/Product/proplus-slimline-waterbutt-kit-100lt/17206/4.7.4?utm_source=Homepage_Main_Rotating&utm_medium=Banner&utm_campaign=Homepage_Main_Rotating_WATER_BUTT#.U4zxNSgVfH5

long_b

dobsdave wrote: »

Bought one today, 29.99euro.
http://www.woodiesdiy.com/Product/proplus-slimline-waterbutt-kit-100lt/17206/4.7.4?utm_source=Homepage_Main_Rotating&utm_medium=Banner&utm_campaign=Homepage_Main_Rotating_WATER_BUTT#.U4zxNSgVfH5

Would you be able to get a u kind of pressure from a hose from that do you know OP ?

cgarrad

long_b wrote: »

Would you be able to get a u kind of pressure from a hose from that do you know OP ?

Not unless it was at roof level.

Charlie19

long_b wrote: »

Would you be able to get a u kind of pressure from a hose from that do you know OP ?

You'd have enough pressure for watering plants as there would be a fair weight of water in 100L.

JamesReeves

They were selling these in Aldi a few weeks ago for 27 I think. Pretty handy too mind you. Put it up Saturday and there's a good few litres in it already.

cgarrad

Charlie19 wrote: »

You'd have enough pressure for watering plants as there would be a fair weight of water in 100L.

100kg to be exact ;-)

GarIT

cgarrad wrote: »

100kg to be exact ;-)

I didn't know that it rained pure water in Ireland if were going to be exact about it. :P

What would the use of one of these actually be? I can't see them doing anything worth the effort really.

cgarrad

GarIT wrote: »

I didn't know that it rained pure water in Ireland if were going to be exact about it. :P

True but he did say water not rain water.

ted1

If this is to save money you will be a long time waiting.

moodrater

ted1 wrote: »

If this is to save money you will be a long time waiting.

Great for washing the car and windows if you have hard water otherwise as you say very slow return from a 100l water butt.

yankinlk

how about washing the scuba gear after a dive in saltwater? is it clean enough to use? i would be filling a bucket to put gear in twice a week and it seems pretty wasteful.

antodeco

What I find it handy for is washing down any paint brushes!

Does anyone know the general dimensions off this one?

bazwaldo

Dublin city council sell 190L ones for €40. See http://www.dublin.ie/environment/water-butts.htm.

You collect them from recycling centres. They also sell composters.

If you want decent pressure from one, you can get an attachment for a drill which works as a pump. Like this,

cgarrad

Water will lightly be around 25c per 100 litres so once you have used 120 full butts of water you are in the money.

It depends on the sq meters of your roof how quickly it will fill.

Annual average rainfall in Ireland is 1200mm per year. (Only 700mm in Dublin thought)

It converts to 1200 litres per sq meter of roof per year.

If your roof on an average 88 sq m house is an apex roof meaning you will have front and back gutters each draining 44 sq m.

The max you can capture (assuming no over flow from a full butt diverting excess) is 52,800 litres worth approx €132.

The butt should last 10 years so it is not a bad investment. In fact it would be probably worth re working your gutters to capture both sides of the roof.

Actually rereading the average home sizes in Ireland the 88m sq is probably (i'm assuming) comprised of mostly 2 story houses. Therfore it has half the roof area so half the above figures!

other way to look at it is that you are getting €3 per year of water for ever square meter of roof you have draining into the butt.

Cantona's Collars

Aldi are selling these off for €19.99.

One double the size are on sale in virtually every hardware outlet for €40.

dashcamdanny

Are they flimsy like much of the cheapo water butts?

I have noticed a big difference in the more expensive ones and the cheapo Aldi type butts.

Is it a case of buy cheap, buy twice?


I use around around 35 gallons every couple of weeks to brew a batch of beer so it would be a saving for me to get one I think.

groom

dashcamdanny wrote: »

I use around around 35 gallons every couple of weeks to brew a batch of beer so it would be a saving for me to get one I think.

Can you use rainwater in homebrew?
Can you safely drink rain water on an ongoing basis?
I would interested in doing the same for homebrew if it were safe but I'm dubious.

dashcamdanny

groom wrote: »

Can you use rainwater in homebrew?
Can you safely drink rain water on an ongoing basis?
I would interested in doing the same for homebrew if it were safe but I'm dubious.

I would be using it for a wort chiller. I run mains tap water through it for an hour or so to cool down the beer after boiling it. The beer would not be in contact with the water butt stuff.

ted1

cgarrad wrote: »

Water will lightly be around 25c per 100 litres so once you have used 120 full butts of water you are in the money.

It depends on the sq meters of your roof how quickly it will fill.

Annual average rainfall in Ireland is 1200mm per year. (Only 700mm in Dublin thought)

It converts to 1200 litres per sq meter of roof per year.

If your roof on an average 88 sq m house is an apex roof meaning you will have front and back gutters each draining 44 sq m.

The max you can capture (assuming no over flow from a full butt diverting excess) is 52,800 litres worth approx €132.

The butt should last 10 years so it is not a bad investment. In fact it would be probably worth re working your gutters to capture both sides of the roof.

Actually rereading the average home sizes in Ireland the 88m sq is probably (i'm assuming) comprised of mostly 2 story houses. Therfore it has half the roof area so half the above figures!

other way to look at it is that you are getting €3 per year of water for ever square meter of roof you have draining into the butt.

your not using the water for showers, cistern, hand basins, washing machine/dryer etc

so really your just using it for the garden/car washing.

the most rain falls in the winter when you don't need to water the garden.
your assuming that you water butt will be empty when the rain falls.

so how much water will you require for your garden/car wash?

last year used about 6 water cans (30 litres) full for an 40m*20m garde.

I'll stand my statement saying it offers to small of a payback

cgarrad

From the net:

There is no higher quality source of water available to us than rainwater. Unlike water captured in dams which requires an extensive treatment process to ensure a quality fit for human consumption, rainwater that is collected on roofs and stored appropriately represents a sustainable source of water ideal for use inside and outside the home.

By using rainwater for toilet flushing, laundry and garden use alone, it can reduce mains water requirements of a typical household by 70%. If hot water systems are supplied with rain water, this reduction can be as high as 85%!

The main uses of water at an average home are:

Flushing toilets (20% or 54,000 litres per year)
Showers, bathing and the bathroom (20% or 54,000 litres per year)
Washing clothes (15% or 40,500 litres per year)
Dish washing and the kitchen (10% or 27,000 litres per year)

All out water is already rainwater.

CBRLizzie

I use mine for watering the garden and the houseplants - I'm considering using it for the dog, seeing as how he prefers drinking from puddles anyway. The water went off a couple of years ago and it paid for itself that weekend, having the water there to flush the toilet. Mine is only attached to the garage roof and it fills fairly quickly.

goat2

i have a water butt with the past two to three yrs, i wash car, windows, footpaths, drive, wellies, runners, brushes, mops, dog beds, water flowers in dry weather,
i find it so handy coming up to christmas, wash up all around the outside of home,
i find it invaluable,
now that i have got used to it i could not do without it,
i use the flower watering can to pour water on the drives and paths and car,
it is convenient,
no looking for hoses and trying to straighten out kinks on them, and trying to roll them up after use, makes my life much easier,

zefer

Anyone know how I could get one of these to work with the fact that the only drain is at the side of the house (nearer the front than back of house) and there is a small lane/road that leads down to apartments where drain is

Could I have this in back garden and run an "extension" of some type to it from the drain?

ted1

cgarrad wrote: »

From the net:

There is no higher quality source of water available to us than rainwater. Unlike water captured in dams which requires an extensive treatment process to ensure a quality fit for human consumption, rainwater that is collected on roofs and stored appropriately represents a sustainable source of water ideal for use inside and outside the home.

By using rainwater for toilet flushing, laundry and garden use alone, it can reduce mains water requirements of a typical household by 70%. If hot water systems are supplied with rain water, this reduction can be as high as 85%!

The main uses of water at an average home are:

Flushing toilets (20% or 54,000 litres per year)
Showers, bathing and the bathroom (20% or 54,000 litres per year)
Washing clothes (15% or 40,500 litres per year)
Dish washing and the kitchen (10% or 27,000 litres per year)

All out water is already rainwater.

What's your point?
A butt isn't an integrated rain water harvesting system which has pumps, filters etc.


rainwater been collected in tank isn't necessary clean, think of a dead bird rotting in your gutter, all the bird poo and piss from your roof, decomposing leaves. mosses, algae etc in your gutters. granted this happens to reservoirs, but its much more diluted and treated. the part from the "Net" has no context.

goat2

zefer wrote: »

Anyone know how I could get one of these to work with the fact that the only drain is at the side of the house (nearer the front than back of house) and there is a small lane/road that leads down to apartments where drain is

Could I have this in back garden and run an "extension" of some type to it from the drain?

i should think that you can, if you get the fixture for the downpipe, and run a hose from the fixture into top of barrel, i say this as there will be times where barrell is full and you need to be able to stop flow from shoot to tank if you fix it in a way that you can turn up the hose near downpipe to stop water, but then return it to hose to refill barrell,,

garv123

I put one in for my grandmother last week. The amount of gutter flowing to the downpipe she wanted to use was about 15m.. It pissed rain that night and the following night and it was full in 2 days.

For anyone putting them in, be sure that you do not have the hose connection to the down pipe above the lid top of the tank or it will just leak out the top.

wait4me

Lads - take a look in the DIY forum or gardening forum for discussion on water saving/uses. After all this is Bargain Alerts.

Mr CJ

zefer wrote: »

Anyone know how I could get one of these to work with the fact that the only drain is at the side of the house (nearer the front than back of house) and there is a small lane/road that leads down to apartments where drain is

Could I have this in back garden and run an "extension" of some type to it from the drain?

Hey, These guys can install them the way you want even if you have no downpipe, it can be done no problem, good luck with it.
www.rainwatersystems.ie

dobsdave

zerks wrote: »

Aldi are selling these off for €19.99.

One double the size are on sale in virtually every hardware outlet for €40.

A full 210 L kit for 40eur, can you post where that can be got please.

toddunctious

grange have them, mentioned somewhere else i think http://www.grange.ie/builders-providers/210lt_waterbutt_with_diverter_kit_and_stand

rameire

dobsdave wrote: »

A full 210 L kit for 40eur, can you post where that can be got please.

Griffin Hawe in Athy have them, bought two yesterday.

vienne86

I bought one of these 100 litre waterbutts a few years ago - I chose it because my down pipes are only at the front of the house, and I wanted something slim and unobtrusive. I use the water for the garden and also the dog seems to prefer it to the water which comes out of the tap, and which sometimes smells like a swimming pool. Right now I use a hose to wash the car, but may be glad to use the waterbutt when water metering arrives.