Would you ban the Burka?

wretcheddomain

Yes.

Many proponents of permitting use of the burka/niqab love to reflect on women's right's to choose their own style of dress.

Along these lines, it should be permitted for a man to wear one while visiting the bank or how about permitting a naked equivalent wandering the streets of Dublin?

Would allowing men to wear it while attending a bank transaction suddenly be permitted by society?

If not for men then not for women. Either everyone wears it or nobody does.

Ban the burka.

Amirani

No - people should be able to wear whatever they want in public.

Temptamperu

Yeah no one has the right to tell someone they are dressing wrong.

wretcheddomain

Diego Simeone wrote: »

No - people should be able to wear whatever they want in public.

What if somebody decides to wear nothing at all?

Dr Turk Turkelton

It should be banned until women are allowed wear bikinis in Muslim countries-then we're all square!

Reformed Character

wretcheddomain wrote: »

Yes.

Many proponents of permitting use of the burka/niqab love to reflect on women's right's to choose their own style of dress.

Along these lines, it should be permitted for a man to wear one while visiting the bank or how about permitting a naked equivalent wandering the streets of Dublin?

Would allowing men to wear it while attending a bank transaction suddenly be permitted by society?

If not for men then not for women. Either everyone wears it or nobody does.

Ban the burka.

I would sooner ban bad trolls who start nasty threads for the fúck off value!

Sonics2k

If they make a choice to wear it, then that's fair enough.

Nobody should be forced to wear it or anything else, but banning it would not help.

If you start banning things like Burka's because they're offensive, next thing you know t-shirts with swears on them will be banned too.

Bubbaclaus

What a terrible thread

_Redzer_

Well I couldn't walk into a bank with a bike helmet on me as that'd probably land security on me, and I think the same goes for the burka.

Seriously, they don't seem to care about supporting our culture in their countries, so why the hell should we in return?

umop.episdn

See thru burkas perhaps?

wretcheddomain

Reformed Character wrote: »

I would sooner ban bad trolls who start nasty threads for the fúck off value!

First and foremost, don't you realise a public forum means that people will have different views than yourself, and this is a relatively active area of debate and so I don't personally understand why a moderator is using the 't' word when it's actively denounced in the forum charter, but that's another point I guess.

Identification of individuals is an important debate in society and it's a pity that some feel the need to resort to irrelevant attacks that have no basis for the thread itself.

iDave

Yes they reinforce sexism.

DamagedTrax

umop.episdn wrote: »

See thru burkas perhaps?

but that'd take all the fun out of catching a naughty glimpse of their tempting eyes!

Vito Corleone

No, I'm not a fan of it. But if people want to wear it they're entitled to.

Umadbrah?

Yes the niqab should be banned because it covers their face!

Diego Simeone wrote: »

No - people should be able to wear whatever they want in public.

Really? So people should wear biker helmets in buildings etc??

Rory Gallagher

Enver Hoxha banned it(and beards) and the woman just made they're own and kept it inside.
It's insulting to ban it,I hate Religion and its draconian law but banning it will do **** all.

eviltwin

iDave wrote: »

Yes they reinforce sexism.

And telling women what they can and cannot wear is not?

Let people wear what they want, if you want to wear a burka go ahead, obviously regulations re security have to be followed and as such I wouldn't see anything wrong with demanding a woman removes her head covering when entering a bank etc.

Amirani

Umadbrah? wrote: »

Yes the niqab should be banned because it covers their face!

Really? So people should wear biker helmets etc??

People can wear biker helmets if they want.

If a business wants to refuse them admittance on this basis, that's fair enough.

Iwasfrozen

Vito Corleone wrote: »

No, I'm not a fan of it. But if people want to wear it they're entitled to.

If they want to sure, but how many women are forced to wear it, either directly or through peer pressure. Banning the more repressive burka would force the Islamic community to accept the less restrictive hijab.

wretcheddomain

Sonics2k wrote: »

If you start banning things like Burka's because they're offensive, next thing you know t-shirts with swears on them will be banned too.

No, it's not on the grounds of being 'offensive', it's that no other form of dress would be permitted in other circumstances.

For example:

> Men would not be permitted to walk into a bank wearing this form of mask and expected to complete what they wanted.

> Nor would men be permitted to wear anything analogous, such as the biker helmets described in earlier posts.

Santa Cruz

DamagedTrax wrote: »

but that'd take all the fun out of catching a naughty glimpse of their tempting eyes!

Love those Muslim Babes and Whores of Babylon types

Umadbrah?

Diego Simeone wrote: »

People can wear biker helmets if they want.

If a business wants to refuse them admittance on this basis, that's fair enough.

What? It's illegal to cover your face in banks, shops etc. If you walked into a bank with a helmet covering your face you would be told to take it off

wretcheddomain

Diego Simeone wrote: »

People can wear biker helmets if they want.

If a business wants to refuse them admittance on this basis, that's fair enough.

I'll kindly ask again, do you believe people should be permitted to walk around undressed as a naked individual in the name of 'choice'?

Amirani

Umadbrah? wrote: »

What? It's illegal to cover your face in banks, shops etc. If you walked into a bank with a helmet covering your face you would be told to take it off

And what law is it that prohibits the covering of your face in banks and shops?

Amirani

wretcheddomain wrote: »

I'll kindly ask again, do you believe people should be permitted to walk around undressed as a naked individual in the name of 'choice'?

Yeah, I don't see any good reason why not.

Umadbrah?

Diego Simeone wrote: »

And what law is it that prohibits the covering of your face in banks and shops?

I don't know what law but it's common sense. You don't cover your face unless your up to no good.

Amirani

Umadbrah? wrote: »

I don't know what law but it's common sense.

So it isn't actually illegal, despite what you said before?

NomadicGray

wretcheddomain wrote: »

First and foremost, don't you realise a public forum means that people will have different views than yourself.

Bingo!

Iwasfrozen

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Banning the more repressive burka would force the Islamic community to accept the less restrictive hijab.

The only thing it would force is women to be housebound if they're being coerced, or coercing them if it was free choice
Not really a great help to them if they're having difficulties already

I don't see how a hijab is less repressive if it's a symbol of repression as people seem to believe

umop.episdn

Diego Simeone wrote: »

So it isn't actually illegal, despite what you said before?

Do you mind if I wave my balls in your face?

Umadbrah?

Diego Simeone wrote: »

So it isn't actually illegal, despite what you said before?

lol go into any shop or bank wearing a full face helmet and see what happens

Amirani

umop.episdn wrote: »

Do you mind if I wave my balls in your face?

Yes.

In anticipation of your next post - I also mind if you wave your hand or any part of you in my face.

Amirani

Umadbrah? wrote: »

lol go into any shop or bank wearing a full face helmet and see what happens

I've no problem if a private business chooses to refuse people based on what clothing they wear (including the burka). I do have a problem if the law is doing it.

umop.episdn

Diego Simeone wrote: »

Yes.

In anticipation of your next post - I also mind if you wave your hand or any part of you in my face.

You let people walk around naked & half the posters on here will be seeking out mods to try & shake their balls (or vags) in their faces

Maphisto

I just put mine on to type this

NomadicGray

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

If they want to sure, but how many women are forced to wear it, either directly or through peer pressure. Banning the more repressive burka would force the Islamic community to accept the less restrictive hijab.

So we should force everyone not to wear it, regardless of their personal choice, just in case someone who didnt want to wear it had been forced to wear it?

You seem to be more interested in bring yourself down to the same level as those you disagree with, rather than using common sense, education and rational thought to help bring people to your level. Though I think you may need a healthy dose of education, common sense and rational thought yourself.

eviltwin

Umadbrah? wrote: »

lol go into any shop or bank wearing a full face helmet and see what happens

We don't ban helmets though, we just ask that people remove them when they enter shops.

jobeenfitz

wretcheddomain wrote: »

Yes.

Many proponents of permitting use of the burka/niqab love to reflect on women's right's to choose their own style of dress.

Along these lines, it should be permitted for a man to wear one while visiting the bank or how about permitting a naked equivalent wandering the streets of Dublin?

Would allowing men to wear it while attending a bank transaction suddenly be permitted by society?

If not for men then not for women. Either everyone wears it or nobody does.

Ban the burka.

No, we all need a laugh to get us through this recession.

Umadbrah?

eviltwin wrote: »

We don't ban helmets though, we just ask that people remove them when they enter shops.

We would hardly ban helmets seen as they are important and actually used for something (safety) but something like a niqab has no benefit.

eviltwin

Umadbrah? wrote: »

We would hardly ban helmets seen as they are important and actually used for something (safety) but something like a niqab has no benefit.

Why does it bother you so much what other people wear? Is it the covering of the face you have the issue with or is it the connection with Islam?

Amirani

Umadbrah? wrote: »

We would hardly ban helmets seen as they are important and actually used for something (safety) but something like a niqab has no benefit.

So anything that isn't functional should be banned?

Hitchens

is microwave popcorn nice?

Umadbrah?

Diego Simeone wrote: »

So anything that isn't functional should be banned?

Yes when in a public place...The same way hoods are not allowed

enda1

I would say that everyone in public should have to have their face uncovered. That's all.

Don't know how that would square with fancy dress, motorbikes etc. though

Amirani

Umadbrah? wrote: »

Yes when in a public place...The same way hoods are not allowed

Hoods are allowed in public places? I think you're confusing public and private places.

DamagedTrax

Umadbrah? wrote: »

Yes when in a public place...

what if i want to wear a hat and scarf in the summer for no good reason other than how it looks?

Umadbrah?

DamagedTrax wrote: »

what if i want to wear a hat and scarf in the summer for no good reason other than how it looks?

That's fine the above don't cover your face do they?

pablomakaveli

I say let them wear what they want. But when it comes to attending court or being asked by a police officer to remove it for identification purposes or cases where it can't be worn for safety reasons they should have to remove it. Basically as long as it doesn't conflict with the law people should just wear what they want.

Umadbrah?

Diego Simeone wrote: »

Hoods are allowed in public places? I think you're confusing public and private places.

Yeah maybe I mean in shopping malls and so on

Amirani

Umadbrah? wrote: »

That's fine the above don't cover your face do they?

Illegal?

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/winter-vacation-girl-covering-face-scarf-surprised-warm-clothes-shocked-woman-her-hat-cold-isolated-white-39094608.jpg

Amirani

Umadbrah? wrote: »

Yeah maybe I mean in shopping malls and so on

Shopping malls are private places, the owner of the mall is at liberty to refuse access to anyone covering their face.