Major supermarket chain to move into former Besco premises

dark crystal

At last!

http://www.waterford-news.ie/2014/05/21/supermarket-chain-create-25-jobs-former-besco-ballybricken/

This announcement is great news for jobseekers and the local economy. It was an awful shame seeing that premises going to waste for so long.

I'm wondering could it become a Tesco Express store perhaps...?

JPA

Iceland I hear.

Sully

JPA wrote: »

Iceland I hear.

Since when did Iceland have a bakery, deli and a cafe tho?

Cabaal

Sully wrote: »

Since when did Iceland have a bakery, deli and a cafe tho?

They don't...unless its some new format?

My bets are on Tesco express, they'll likely hope to take some business away from Supervalue in the Hypermarket...though parking will likely be an issue for them.

Ah, just what Waterford needs....another Tesco :pac:

JPA

Sully wrote: »

Since when did Iceland have a bakery, deli and a cafe tho?

Ya, Iceland doesn't necessarily make sense, just what I heard.

Sully

Cabaal wrote: »

They don't...unless its some new format?

My bets are on Tesco express, they'll likely hope to take some business away from Supervalue in the Hypermarket...though parking will likely be an issue for them.

Ah, just what Waterford needs....another Tesco :pac:

That's what the local media are reporting anyway!

Digital Society

Nothing makes sense. Its a terrible spot with 0 free parking.

All the chains mentioned have tons of cash to pick Grade A locations.

Tesco are being slaughtered by Aldi and i doubt they would move in 30 seconds walk from them where Aldi has parking.

Whoever goes in there has some serious competition. Dealz or one of those shops with something different to offer might move.

dzilla

Parking shouldn't be an issue for a tesco express

mooseknunkle

Digital Society wrote: »

Nothing makes sense. Its a terrible spot with 0 free parking.

All the chains mentioned have tons of cash to pick Grade A locations.

Tesco are being slaughtered by Aldi and i doubt they would move in 30 seconds walk from them where Aldi has parking.

Whoever goes in there has some serious competition. Dealz or one of those shops with something different to offer might move.

Dealz arent a supermarket though...quinnsworth i heard ..

Its either Tesco,supervalu,aldi,lidl,dunnes,they are they big players when it comes to supermarkets,its not going to be a big shock when announced.

mike65

It'll be a shock if its Quinnsworth.

AdMMM

mike65 wrote: »

It'll be a shock if its Quinnsworth.

If it is a Quinnsworth, I'll have to buy a paper to confirm the date and year!

obezyana

If it's Quinnsworth I wonder will they be giving away those cool barcode battlers they used to have

spankmemunkey

The location is ideal, the chances are if its a tesco express they will be targeting the locals living in the surrounds and general footfall so i would say the argument that parking will be a problem isn't an issue, bad news for the local fish and veg shops!

Finnbar01

mike65 wrote: »

It'll be a shock if its Quinnsworth.

I heard it was Crazy Prices or the Woman who used to own the shop down by the park - Mary, is that her name? - is going in there.

shockwave

Finnbar01 wrote: »

I heard it was Crazy Prices or the Woman who used to own the shop down by the park - Mary, is that her name? - is going in there.

You sure its not Marks & Spencers?

Greenmachine

Finnbar01 wrote: »

I heard it was Crazy Prices or the Woman who used to own the shop down by the park - Mary, is that her name? - is going in there.

Will Maurice Pratt be back on the television telling us of the dealz in person.

mooseknunkle

KVI is on its way back too..

Finnbar01

mooseknunkle wrote: »

KVI is on its way back too..

Do you know what KVI stands for?

mooseknunkle

Finnbar01 wrote: »

Do you know what KVI stands for?

Keenest Value in Ireland

cookie.monster

my bets is on it being a eurospar

mike65

Iceland are the only crowd who are supposed to be here by now but are not - must be them

edit just read that article above

Mr McCarthy remained tight-lipped as to the identity of the supermarket operator, but confirmed it is not Marks and Spencer and added that the chain could be already operating in the city.

what kind of stupid tease is that! Just tell us.

cookie.monster

http://www.shelflife.ie/article.aspx?id=4559

jayboi

mike65 wrote: »

Iceland are the only crowd who are supposed to be here by now but are not - must be them

edit just read that article above



what kind of stupid tease is that! Just tell us.

It's the kind of sh*te that's become a regular occurrence in the town normally it's "watch out for a big jobs announcement in the comming weeks" or "big name company to set up in waterford" all the stringing along would fill you with a rage only relived with swift punch in a politicians face.

Constant pre announcements and pre-pre announcements

danjo-xx

Great to see someone moving in there, the area looked desolate with that place closed.

BBM77

What’s important is somebody is there, who is there is of little significance when all is said and done. I have it from a reliable source that three supermarket chains wanted to go in there. I said it before and I’ll say it again it’s not acceptable that perfectly viable buildings are left vacant for no good reason. Finally in this case it looks like it’s over.

The Ballybricken / The Glen area has not suffered the ghost town problem that John Roberts Square has in the evenings, this will strengthen the area as a whole. I don’t agree that its bad news for local shops, it will increase the number of people shopping in the area how is that bad news. There has been a supermarket on that site since the 60’s and the other shops survived.

My guess would be Tesco Express.

Trick of the Tail

Finnbar01 wrote: »

Do you know what KVI stands for?

It stands for Known Value Items. It's a retail term for things that shoppers know the value of, like bread, milk, sugar etc.

wmpdd3

Couldn't see it being Tesco, or SuperValue or Dunnes, though there was an express Dunnes 100 yards from the main one in Kilkenny!

I'd say Euro Spar, but I have no idea. Its true that the lack of parking would be an issue, but there a ready made market with the school down the road.

I also think it would be good for local suppliers, like the way all the store in Lisduggan exist together.

wobbles

wmpdd3 wrote: »

Couldn't see it being Tesco, or SuperValue or Dunnes, though there was an express Dunnes 100 yards from the main one in Kilkenny!

I'd say Euro Spar, but I have no idea. Its true that the lack of parking would be an issue, but there a ready made market with the school down the road.

I also think it would be good for local suppliers, like the way all the store in Lisduggan exist together.

But that Dunnes Express didnt last long. I heard a few years ago Tesco were looking at puting in an Express in there, but with so many Tescos in Waterford already, and the fact that hours have been cut in some shops, I dont think its likely to be them.

I wouldnt be surprised if Lidl go in there. They are generally found in similar locations to Aldi, although Ive never seen a deli and cafe in Lidl

mooseknunkle

Could also be Londis,centra,or Mace...who knows..

jayboi

Ballybricken seems to be the only area of town not served by a Tesco at present.

Finnbar01

Trick of the Tail wrote: »

It stands for Known Value Items. It's a retail term for things that shoppers know the value of, like bread, milk, sugar etc.

KVI was a range of products (like yellow pack) sold by Crazy Prices.
.
As trick of the tail pointed out, it stands for Keenest Value in Ireland.

spankmemunkey

wobbles wrote: »

But that Dunnes Express didnt last long. I heard a few years ago Tesco were looking at puting in an Express in there, but with so many Tescos in Waterford already, and the fact that hours have been cut in some shops, I dont think its likely to be them.

I wouldnt be surprised if Lidl go in there. They are generally found in similar locations to Aldi, although Ive never seen a deli and cafe in Lidl

I wouldn't see the amount of Tesco's in Waterford being a problem actually i would see them looking at the competition in the area and think we better get in there. I saw a great programme think it was BBC Panorama looking into the amount of shops that open purely as competition to the opposition and the money they pay to local councils to open in certain areas i think there was a swimming pool police station and even roads built to sweeten deals.

Ghostbusthat

Any know which supermarket it is yet? Trying to find out where I can apply to work there.

Deisedarren

Could it be ardkeen stores that's moving in under freshway name

spankmemunkey

I heard its Kanye and Kim setting up a new health food store they are relocating to Waterford

fricatus

spankmemunkey wrote: »

I heard its Kanye and Kim setting up a new health food store they are relocating to Waterford

LOL, Kimway Express

albert kidd

fricatus wrote: »

LOL, Kimway Express

no,no.

its ardkayne stores for definate.

spankmemunkey

Maybe its one of them "Dash" stores "I heard" they useto run in keeping up with whats it called?;)

Irishlad2014

any movement on this yet?

magick

One time I gave a friends dog some KVI dog food, he was sick for a week, the dog that is

delahuntv

deal obviously fell through - its back "to let"

danjo-xx

delahuntv wrote: »

deal obviously fell through - its back "to let"

Is that not the old sign just left there!

madfcuker

Just had a quick look on daft. Seems to be back up for rent.

http://www.daft.ie/5186746

The picture shows let by on the sign. So it must have been recently taken. Ad placed 8 days ago.

Shame the deal fell through.

Hissing Sideban

dark crystal wrote: »

At last!

http://www.waterford-news.ie/2014/05/21/supermarket-chain-create-25-jobs-former-besco-ballybricken/

This announcement is great news for jobseekers and the local economy. It was an awful shame seeing that premises going to waste for so long.

I'm wondering could it become a Tesco Express store perhaps...?

Then they can announce how many jobs they've 'created'. Although it's nice to see the empty building used, research has shown that these big chains, and especially the 'Express' variety will displace jobs from other similar shops rather than create them. It's not like people buy things there they couldn't get in other shops or that they were buying online or in a different town!

fuzzy dunlop

Hissing Sideban wrote: »

Then they can announce how many jobs they've 'created'. Although it's nice to see the empty building used, research has shown that these big chains, and especially the 'Express' variety will displace jobs from other similar shops rather than create them. It's not like people buy things there they couldn't get in other shops or that they were buying online or in a different town!

I would love to see some of this research becausd I frankly think its a myth. This zero sum theory holds no water and the oppositie is actually true.Its even a distortion of the theory as since Besco closed we are minus one supermarket in the area and have been ever since to the inconvenience of the elderely living there who were dependent on Bescos. Without the competition all you have is local monopolies and less jobs. Everytime some chain opens be it Boots or Wetherspoons the local mini oligarchies up and down the country scream this type of stuff and the sjy has yet to fall in,

Hissing Sideban

fuzzy dunlop wrote: »

I would love to see some of this research becausd I frankly think its a myth. This zero sum theory holds no water and the oppositie is actually true.

Ok here's two sources for starters.

http://calchaspss.wordpress.com/2013/03/08/are-20000-new-supermarket-jobs-a-cause-for-celebration/
And
http://www.acs.org.uk/en/Press_Office/details/index.cfm/type/archive/obj_id/E36CFE95-3E6E-4821-8FE219DA565F3247

Of course if you instinctively 'know' different then all the research on the world won't convince you otherwise!

sparkling sea

fuzzy dunlop wrote: »

I would love to see some of this research becausd I frankly think its a myth. This zero sum theory holds no water and the oppositie is actually true.Its even a distortion of the theory as since Besco closed we are minus one supermarket in the area and have been ever since to the inconvenience of the elderely living there who were dependent on Bescos. Without the competition all you have is local monopolies and less jobs. Everytime some chain opens be it Boots or Wetherspoons the local mini oligarchies up and down the country scream this type of stuff and the sjy has yet to fall in,

Hyper market and Dunnes stores must have served the local community. Aldi in the Glen would most certainly have been an even cheaper alternative to Besco's for the elderly in the area - there is most definitely distortion as more mini markets have opened in the area.
I doubt the zero sum theory is applied here, I'd imagine its more likely to be a negative impact theory as more jobs appear to be losted them gained.

fuzzy dunlop

sparkling sea wrote: »

Hyper market and Dunnes stores must have served the local community. Aldi in the Glen would most certainly have been an even cheaper alternative to Besco's for the elderly in the area - there is most definitely distortion as more mini markets have opened in the area.
I doubt the zero sum theory is applied here, I'd imagine its more likely to be a negative impact theory as more jobs appear to be losted them gained.

Not in the same way has the inner city been served by Dunnes and the Hypermarket. Dunnes is not convenient to get to as its down hill and in the middle of town. The Hypermarket is not much better as you have to walk across a busy carpark to get to it. Aldi in the Glen is similar. Besco was a short walk for most of the elderly arounf Ballybricken.

The zero sum theory doesn't apply here. That was my point. Since Aldi opened in the Glen other businesses have opened up and their is none that you can say have closed because of it. When Besco closed due to the fire a few other businesses closed also and many others found it hard to gain traction.

The problem with the analysis the previous poster posted is that it does not stand up to scientific scrutiny. Its a blog referring to a newspaper article which would not be accepted anywhere. The links at the bottom are all vested interests. What it does not take into account is the other societal changes that have occurred. Yesterdays grocery store worker is todays call centre worker. This is the hard fact, The convenience store era is gone and not coming back except in niche markets such as ethnic grocery stores. It is from an era of substandard housing when people spent most of their income on overprice local shops



http://www.google.nl/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CDcQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ers.usda.gov%2FersDownloadHandler.ashx%3Ffile%3D%2Fmedia%2F242614%2Fap036f_1_.pdf&ei=Y0vUU7zMNcGPO9z8gOgB&usg=AFQjCNHGor_nh0R6im_b0O7fc-Utn0y5pg&sig2=tAhBC0AsQcba0TWm7VwLWA

fuzzy dunlop

Hissing Sideban wrote: »

Ok here's two sources for starters.

http://calchaspss.wordpress.com/2013/03/08/are-20000-new-supermarket-jobs-a-cause-for-celebration/
And
http://www.acs.org.uk/en/Press_Office/details/index.cfm/type/archive/obj_id/E36CFE95-3E6E-4821-8FE219DA565F3247

Of course if you instinctively 'know' different then all the research on the world won't convince you otherwise!

First of this isn't research. Its a blog using a newspaper article as its primary reference. The second link is just a load of claims. It takes no account whatsoever of the effects of the recession or the fact that Tesco and others have also had declining sales.

As for you smart as jibe it has nothing to do with instinct. Its economics simple as.

http://www.google.nl/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CDcQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ers.usda.gov%2FersDownloadHandler.ashx%3Ffile%3D%2Fmedia%2F242614%2Fap036f_1_.pdf&ei=Y0vUU7zMNcGPO9z8gOgB&usg=AFQjCNHGor_nh0R6im_b0O7fc-Utn0y5pg&sig2=tAhBC0AsQcba0TWm7VwLWA

sparkling sea

fuzzy dunlop wrote: »

Not in the same way has the inner city been served by Dunnes and the Hypermarket. Dunnes is not convenient to get to as its down hill and in the middle of town. The Hypermarket is not much better as you have to walk across a busy carpark to get to it. Aldi in the Glen is similar. Besco was a short walk for most of the elderly arounf Ballybricken.

The zero sum theory doesn't apply here. That was my point. Since Aldi opened in the Glen other businesses have opened up and their is none that you can say have closed because of it. When Besco closed due to the fire a few other businesses closed also and many others found it hard to gain traction.

The problem with the analysis the previous poster posted is that it does not stand up to scientific scrutiny. Its a blog referring to a newspaper article which would not be accepted anywhere. The links at the bottom are all vested interests. What it does not take into account is the other societal changes that have occurred. Yesterdays grocery store worker is todays call centre worker. This is the hard fact, The convenience store era is gone and not coming back except in niche markets such as ethnic grocery stores. It is from an era of substandard housing when people spent most of their income on overprice local shops



http://www.google.nl/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CDcQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ers.usda.gov%2FersDownloadHandler.ashx%3Ffile%3D%2Fmedia%2F242614%2Fap036f_1_.pdf&ei=Y0vUU7zMNcGPO9z8gOgB&usg=AFQjCNHGor_nh0R6im_b0O7fc-Utn0y5pg&sig2=tAhBC0AsQcba0TWm7VwLWA

Your changing your arguement to suit the research and not addressing the point that was made. As far as I aware, Centra on Lower Yellow Road and the mini market nest to Dr Keogh's practice both stated that Aldi had a negative impact on there business and thats fine because they might just be cheaper, etc,etc.
Supermarkets have an negative impact on the labour market, they are by there very nature designed to be more more effective, this includes being more labour efficent. Thats modernity, society evolves.

Tesco express may be cheaper, offer a wider choice and be more convenient, but these types of shops have a negative impact on local business and this results in an overall jobs loss. That is the point being made.

I would like to see some sceiitific reasearch that proves otherwise, one of the studies posted may be a blog based on a study by vested interests, but your just giving your opinion, which appears to be based on nothing so far. Show us the facts that prove your speculation.

As for Dunnes etc etc being inconvenient for the elderly community to get to, the people who shopped in Bescos were for the most part women who did and still do walk. Its as much about meeting people and isolation as it is about shopping, for alot of people in that age group.

fuzzy dunlop

sparkling sea wrote: »

Your changing your arguement to suit the research and not addressing the point that was made. As far as I aware, Centra on Lower Yellow Road and the mini market nest to Dr Keogh's practice both stated that Aldi had a negative impact on there business and thats fine because they might just be cheaper, etc,etc.
Supermarkets have an negative impact on the labour market, they are by there very nature designed to be more more effective, this includes being more labour efficent. Thats modernity, society evolves.

There has been no research posted so how can I be changing my argument? And your missing the point being made. The Aldi has had no noticeable negative impact on the makeup of business in the area and if anything it has improved the area because of the increase footfall it has generated. There is more businesses there and the area is safer generally. I posted a link that shows how the link between supermarkets and job losses is a false one. You obviously just didn't bother to read it. Never mind the fact that you have provided no evidence yourself. What operaters say does not matter because they will always try to restrict competition if it suits themselves. Daybreak probably affected the mini market operator.The polish shop across the road probably affected the mini market operator. The mini market operator is not owed a living.

sparkling sea wrote: »

Tesco express may be cheaper, offer a wider choice and be more convenient, but these types of shops have a negative impact on local business and this results in an overall jobs loss. That is the point being made.

And its a false one.Because its an overgeneralisation. That is merely populist. That is my point being made. The fact is there is pros and cons to the supermarket which is with everything in life. As far as consumers are concerned it is a pro. You will find a balanced report here.

http://www.europe-economics.com/publications/the_relationship_between_supermarkets_and_suppliers.pdf

sparkling sea wrote: »

I would like to see some sceiitific reasearch that proves otherwise, one of the studies posted may be a blog based on a study by vested interests, but your just giving your opinion, which appears to be based on nothing so far. Show us the facts that prove your speculation.

Read my link. The onus is on the those making the claims to prove their point. That's how research works and if it is disprovable and it clearly is then the initial assertion cannot be accepted. The point is there is no changes in the labour market that can be blamed on unfair competition from supermarkets.

sparkling sea wrote: »

As for Dunnes etc etc being inconvenient for the elderly community to get to, the people who shopped in Bescos were for the most part women who did and still do walk. Its as much about meeting people and isolation as it is about shopping, for alot of people in that age group.

You should read your own posts before you post them. Especially when you try critique others for expressing mere opinions which is what you have just done here. It doesn't matter who used it the fact is the loss of it affected the elderly more. Also your claim here if true only further supports the case for a similar shop to Besco's to go in there.