Opinions For New Road Bike Ribble R872 Vs Canyon Aeroad CF 8.0 sl or Ultimate CF SL 9

froshtyv

Hi,

Im in the process of upgrading my road bike.

Ive narrowed it down to 3-4 bikes, but just want to see if anyone has any personal experiences with any of them?

The bike choice is not set in stone yet, but my requirements are carbon frame, carbon wheels and a good groupset ultegra 6800 etc.

The bikes that interest me are;

Ribble R872

http://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/sp/road-track-bike/frames-frames-road-ribble-r872-carbon-road-frame/ribbfrar970

Canyon AEROAD CF 8.0 SL

https://www.canyon.com/_en/roadbikes/bike.html?b=3299

Canyon ULTIMATE CF SL 9.0 AERO

https://www.canyon.com/_en/roadbikes/bike.html?b=3243

I have looked at the second hand market but nothing has really caught my eye.

The other two bikes i was looking at were the Cannondale Supersix evo
Or the pinarello prince & dogma (second hand are still out of my price range)

At the moment the Ribble R872 is top of the list for value for money.

Any inputs or suggestions will be appreciated.

Thanks in advance

martin.mcevoy

froshtyv wrote: »

Canyon AEROAD CF 8.0 SL

https://www.canyon.com/_en/roadbikes/bike.html?b=3299

Gorgeous looking bike :rolleyes:

godtabh

i'd be going for the R872. If and when work sorts out the BTW scheme I think I'll be getting that. looks slick

Scrappy600

I'm biased as I own one but have you considered the Planet X rt58? Very similar to the ribble but I'm not sure from your post if it's a frame or full bike you're looking for as the ribble you posted is only a frame price. Rt58 with full 11 ultegra is a great deal, but again I'm biased so take my advice with a little padding and do more research into what I suggested.

froshtyv

Sorry the Ribble would be a full build with mavic cosmics and ultegra 2 x 11

I'll take a look at the planet x model hadn't looked at any yet.
Cheers

Scrappy600 wrote: »

I'm biased as I own one but have you considered the Planet X rt58? Very similar to the ribble but I'm not sure from your post if it's a frame or full bike you're looking for as the ribble you posted is only a frame price. Rt58 with full 11 ultegra is a great deal, but again I'm biased so take my advice with a little padding and do more research into what I suggested.

froshtyv

godtabh wrote: »

i'd be going for the R872. If and when work sorts out the BTW scheme I think I'll be getting that. looks slick

It ticks all the boxes. Looks great and the price is very good with the spec I was looking at.

godtabh

if i go for the R872 with 6800 i'd keep the wheels for the winter bike and put my zondas on them. a wheel upgrade then next year

I wonder will the bring out the 105 11 speed with it

Seaneh

The ribble, in this spec, for less than 2k, is ridiculous value.

Left the crap saddle on it because I'd be switching to a Charge Spoon anyway.

Frame
Ribble R872 Carbon Road Frame
Groupset
Shimano Ultegra 6800 11 Spd Double Groupset
Show Groupset Data
Wheels
Mavic Pr WTS Cosmic Elite S M9/10/11 Shim
Handlebars
ITM R Triango Carbon (31.8) Bars Black 44cm
Handlebar Stem
ITM Triango Carbon (31.8) Stem Black 80mm
Headset Spacers
ITM Headset Spacer Carbon 1 1/8" 10mm
Saddle
Selle Italia X1 Man Saddle Black
Seatpillar
ITM Pathom Carbon Monocoque Seatpillar Black 31.6 350m
Tyres
No Tyres needed (WTS)
Inner Tubes
No Tubes needed (Tubulars/WT System)
Handlebar Tape
Fizik Performance Soft Touch Bar Tape Black
Price excluding Pedals: €1,927.98
Pedals: Shimano Clipless SPD-SL 5700 (105) Carbon Pedals
Total Price inc Pedals: €1,990.58

godtabh

Seaneh wrote: »

The ribble, in this spec, for less than 2k, is ridiculous value.

Left the crap saddle on it because I'd be switching to a Charge Spoon anyway.

Frame
Ribble R872 Carbon Road Frame
Groupset
Shimano Ultegra 6800 11 Spd Double Groupset
Show Groupset Data
Wheels
Mavic Pr WTS Cosmic Elite S M9/10/11 Shim
Handlebars
ITM R Triango Carbon (31.8) Bars Black 44cm
Handlebar Stem
ITM Triango Carbon (31.8) Stem Black 80mm
Headset Spacers
ITM Headset Spacer Carbon 1 1/8" 10mm
Saddle
Selle Italia X1 Man Saddle Black
Seatpillar
ITM Pathom Carbon Monocoque Seatpillar Black 31.6 350m
Tyres
No Tyres needed (WTS)
Inner Tubes
No Tubes needed (Tubulars/WT System)
Handlebar Tape
Fizik Performance Soft Touch Bar Tape Black
Price excluding Pedals: €1,927.98
Pedals: Shimano Clipless SPD-SL 5700 (105) Carbon Pedals
Total Price inc Pedals: €1,990.58

Whats the weight on it?

Seaneh

godtabh wrote: »

Whats the weight on it?

No clue... sub 8kg I'd assume.

Claimed frame weight is 980g
Claimed fork weight is 400g.

godtabh

I would have thought closer to 7

Seaneh

godtabh wrote: »

I would have thought closer to 7

TBH, no clue, you'd probably be closer than me with a guess.

froshtyv

godtabh wrote: »

Whats the weight on it?

A couple of custom builds of the R872 with a similar spec to what im after are coming in under the 7.5kg

Im going to have a look at the planet x models later, but ill prob put an order on an R872 this evening.
There is too much of a waiting time on the canyons.

nailik

Have you had a look at kinetixproducts.com? Based in Dublin, has an amazing selection of ex pro bikes, he no doubt has something in you budget.

froshtyv

nailik wrote: »

Have you had a look at kinetixproducts.com? Based in Dublin, has an amazing selection of ex pro bikes, he no doubt has something in you budget.

Cheers ill have a look

mcgratheoin

Just wondering on the value comparisons between the Canyons & the Ribble. Is there much of a difference in the frameset? The Ribble R872 frameset can be had for about €650 (frame & forks) whereas the Canyon Ultimate CF SL frameset comes in at nearly twice the price at €1199. Is the Canyon frameset overpriced or is it actually significantly better than the R872?

godtabh

mcgratheoin wrote: »

Just wondering on the value comparisons between the Canyons & the Ribble. Is there much of a difference in the frameset? The Ribble R872 frameset can be had for about €650 (frame & forks) whereas the Canyon Ultimate CF SL frameset comes in at nearly twice the price at €1199. Is the Canyon frameset overpriced or is it actually significantly better than the R872?

The difference is probably the marketing/pr budget. Canyon sponsor a few world tour teams. That aint cheap

mcgratheoin

godtabh wrote: »

The difference is probably the marketing/pr budget. Canyon sponsor a few world tour teams. That aint cheap

So you reckon that there's little to no difference between the two frames?

godtabh

they all probably come from some chinese factory. There might be slight differences but for me I dont think I could tell.

If everything else was like for like the difference in price would be down to budgets

jgreene83

Saving up to get an R872 myself so would love to hear your opinions of it OP whenever / if you do get it. Savage looking bike imo.

froshtyv

jgreene83 wrote: »

Saving up to get an R872 myself so would love to hear your opinions of it OP whenever / if you do get it. Savage looking bike imo.

Ive been reading up on them for a bit now, so they seem to get good reviews. Ill put a write up on it if i end up ordering one.

godtabh

jgreene83 wrote: »

Saving up to get an R872 myself so would love to hear your opinions of it OP whenever / if you do get it. Savage looking bike imo.

what spec?

jgreene83

godtabh wrote: »

what spec?

Wheels: Campagnolo Zonda
Bars, Spacer, Stem & Seatpost: ITM Full Carbon
Saddle: Fizik Arione
Tape: Fizik Performance Soft Touch
Tyres: Conti GP4000s

Groupset is the one I can't settle on. Torn between Campagnolo Athena and Ultegra 6800. I'm swaying towards Campag cause I prefer the stripped back style of the chainset over the bulky looking Ultegra.

Total price is just over €2000.

Griff30

canyon ultimate for me, friend of mine has one and its a great frame,i also think they are pretty good value.

Ryath

godtabh wrote: »

Whats the weight on it?

I'd say close to 8kg maybe even well over with that spec those cosmic elites are boat anchors and that ITM finishing kit is on the heavy side as well. The bike can certainly be built close to 7kg. Set of zonda's and alloy not carbon wrapped finishing kit should have it close to 7.5kg for similar money.

Weighed my RT57 last night 7.15kg with Sram Force,zonda's, Fizik arione cx saddle, fizik stem and seatpost. Fizik handlebars when they come should knock that .05 off. Getting the .1 off is going to mean new wheels though:D

I know you are considering it I really like it feels much stiffer and racier than my old Px sl pro carbon. When getting a bike fit in LBS who built it up for me the owner commented how stiff it was on the turbo. The bottom bracket was barely moving. The sl pro sways all over the place.

It is a pure race bike though and is definitely harsher over rough roads though than the pro. That's a very comfortable frame though and really soaks up the vibrations. It's still comfortable I did 140k over the blooms on my first day on it including a very rough descent into Clonaslee. An old Giant scr I used was much harsher. The RT57 will be my first choice for racing and fair weather spins in good conditions but I will still train on the old bike and use it in bad weather and for spins on rougher roads.

If you are going to race get the RT57 but if you're more of a leisure rider I'd consider the RT58.

jgreene83 wrote: »

Wheels: Campagnolo Zonda
Bars, Spacer, Stem & Seatpost: ITM Full Carbon
Saddle: Fizik Arione
Tape: Fizik Performance Soft Touch
Tyres: Conti GP4000s

Groupset is the one I can't settle on. Torn between Campagnolo Athena and Ultegra 6800. I'm swaying towards Campag cause I prefer the stripped back style of the chainset over the bulky looking Ultegra.

Total price is just over €2000.

Maybe I picked wrong finishing kit but I was getting €2350 delivered with that spec.

It's very hard to look beyond canyons for value for money. Everything you get wheels finishing kit etc is top notch. Most sizes in stock by end of June. You'll probably be waiting a week or two with ribble anyway.
For €300 cheaper if it was me I'd wait. The ribble R872 is a very good price for the frameset or if you leave it with standard spec but if you start specing it up you don't get the same value.
https://www.canyon.com/_en/roadbikes/bike.html?b=3240

Do you have a preference for Shimano or Campagnolo besides looks they operate very differently? You considered Sram?

I was considering getting this for a long time would just have cost few hundred more than I ended up spending but I wanted to give some of my business to the local bike shops. It would have been the best bang for buck option.
https://www.canyon.com/_en/roadbikes/bike.html?b=3242

godtabh

Ryath wrote: »

I'd say close to 8kg maybe even well over with that spec those cosmic elites are boat anchors and that ITM finishing kit is on the heavy side as well. The bike can certainly be built close to 7kg. Set of zonda's and alloy not carbon wrapped finishing kit should have it close to 7.5kg for similar money.

Weighed my RT57 last night 7.15kg with Sram Force, Fizik arione cx saddle, fizik stem and seatpost. Fizik handlebars when they come should knock that .05 off. Getting the .1 off is going to mean new wheels though:D

I know you are considering it I really like it feels much stiffer and racier than my old Px sl pro carbon. When getting a bike fit in LBS who built it up for me the owner commented how stiff it was on the turbo. The bottom bracket was barely moving. The sl pro sways all over the place.

It is a pure race bike though and is definitely harsher over rough roads though than the pro. That's a very comfortable frame though and really soaks up the vibrations. It's not uncomfortable I did 140k over the blooms on my first day on it including a very rough descent into Clonaslee. An old Giant scr I used was much harsher. The RT57 will be my first choice for racing and fair weather spins in good conditions but I will still train on the old bike and use it in bad weather and for spins on rougher roads.

If you are going to race get the RT57 but if you're more of a leisure rider I'd consider the RT58.



Maybe I picked wrong finishing kit but I was getting €2350 delivered with that spec.

It's very hard to look beyond canyons for value for money. Everything you get wheels finishing kit etc is top notch. Most sizes in stock by end of June. You'll probably be waiting a week or two with ribble anyway.
For €300 cheaper if it was me I'd wait. The ribble R872 is a very good price for the frameset or if you leave it with standard spec but if you start specing it up you don't get the same value.
https://www.canyon.com/_en/roadbikes/bike.html?b=3240

Do you have a preference for Shimano or Campagnolo besides looks they operate very differently? You considered Sram?

I was considering getting this for a long time would just have cost few hundred more than I ended up spending but I wanted to give some of my business to the local bike shops. It would have been the best bang for buck option.
https://www.canyon.com/_en/roadbikes/bike.html?b=3242

Great post.

• On my short list is the following
• Planet x Pro Carbon
• Planet x RT57
• Planet x RT58
• Ribble R872
• Canyon ULTIMATE AL 9.0 CH

Some one also suggested the Ribble Grand Fondo.

I have a Canyon AL Roadlite that weighs 10kg fully loaded. I want a bike that is under 8kg at least. Wheels arent important as I'll use my Zondas.

Have a budget of €1500 max (which probably rules out the Canyon). I prefer the looks of the Ribble but the spec of the Pro Carbon. For some reason I have internal cable routing as a must (even though I was advised against it)

jgreene83

Ha, woops, had it set to sterling! Rookie mistake!

This will be my first serious(ish) road bike, on a Defy 3 at the moment which I'm very happy with but want something a bit more now that I've been bitten by the bug again. I don't know much about the higher end groupsets so I was planning on going to the LBS to test out the differences and see which I preferred before making the plunge.

I like the look of the Ultimate CF SL 8.0, 300 less than the Ribble for more or less the same spec, you'd be mad not to, considering the spec is more or less identical. Cheers for the post Ryath. Any advice in general re: groupsets?

Ryath

jgreene83 wrote: »

Ha, woops, had it set to sterling! Rookie mistake!

This will be my first serious(ish) road bike, on a Defy 3 at the moment which I'm very happy with but want something a bit more now that I've been bitten by the bug again. I don't know much about the higher end groupsets so I was planning on going to the LBS to test out the differences and see which I preferred before making the plunge.

I like the look of the Ultimate CF SL 8.0, 300 less than the Ribble for more or less the same spec, you'd be mad not to, considering the spec is more or less identical. Cheers for the post Ryath. Any advice in general re: groupsets?

It's really down to which groupset manufacturer you prefer not the price level. The main difference with higher end groupsets is weight and finish. They may shift slightly better but it's is marginal. Well set up sora will work better than badly set up dura ace.

105 or ultegra will be a bit better than the sora you have on the deffy. Performance wise there's is not much differance blindfolded most people couldn't tell the difference between ultegra and durace.. For future proofing I'd go with ultegra unless you want to wait for 11 speed 105.

Campy has thumb shifters to shift down I've never used it but a lot of people do prefer it for aesthetic, functional and branding reasons. When I win the lotto and buy a Colnago I'll try it

I love Sram but not every one likes the double tap levers. I instantly took to them and found them very intuitive much prefer it to shimano. One lever shifts up and down. If you just click it over once you drop gears if you push it further you shift up. Makes much mores sense one lever brakes and the other shifts unlike with shimano where the brake lever doubles as a shifter.

I have 3.5 year old Sram rival on my old bike and it's not that much different to my new Sram Force 22. There's little or no differance with shifting on the back. shifting on the front is a good bit better and there is less derailleur rub with the new yaw derailleur. A slightly less gappy cassete and a 39*26 for climbing are main pluses. The force shifters are supposedly more durable than rival as well.

I got shimano 105 for my new winter bike/commuter though as parts are cheaper and easier get. It works well but I prefer sram for racing. It's mostly just down to what you are used to though.

I wouldn't approve of testing out stuff in LBS and then buying online and you won't find campagnolo and sram in a lot of bike shops they just stock fishing tackle:). Shop arround you can still get good deals in a LBS you will usually get at least 10% of RRP and the advice and support when starting out is well worth it. Look at cube and Ridley they have good options in that price range and ridley have some campagnolo bikes this year

godtabh

Ryath wrote: »

For future proofing I'd go with ultegra unless you want to wait for 11 speed 105.

Is there much difference (other than the obvious) between 11 and 10 speed? Does it make much difference on the road?

I'd be half tempted to stick to 105 as I am happy with my current setup

jgreene83

Ryath wrote: »

I wouldn't approve of testing out stuff in LBS and then buying online and you won't find campagnolo and sram in a lot of bike shops they just stock fishing tackle:).

I know what you mean. Think I might be lucky in a way, I'm in Celbridge so Bike Worx is only down the road, good stock and a great selection of bikes. Plus the lads that work there know my older brother from his racing days so that's always an advantage. Might need to just lay off browsing bikes online and go have a chat with the lads in there instead.

Cheers for the info on the groupsets. Good to know the different options out there. I might hang on and wait for the 11 speed 105 to come out and then see what sort of frame options it'll come on. Sora is nice and mine seems to be well set up, so whenever I do take the plunge on a new bike I'll be keeping it as a commuter / bad weather bike.

Ryath

godtabh wrote: »

Is there much difference (other than the obvious) between 11 and 10 speed? Does it make much difference on the road?

I'd be half tempted to stick to 105 as I am happy with my current setup

On the road very little it's a slightly less gappy cassete and I have a slightly lower bail out gear. 11-23 range is good for racing and I have the 26 when I'm tired. I can climb most stuff around here using the 39*23 or 21 when I'm fresh and rarely ever use the small ring racing.

The main issue is if you want to be able to swap wheels between bikes with out changing cassettes. I have no spare rear wheel for racing now at the minute.

11 speed will be commonplace soon though with 105 coming so if I was buying now I would get Ultegra. The front shifting is meant to be much better on 11 speed shimano than the older 10 speed. I don't mind 10 speed on my commuter as I will ride that into the ground but for racing you need to able to swap. The performance benefit is negligible though at my level anyway.

Brian?

jgreene83 wrote: »

Wheels: Campagnolo Zonda
Bars, Spacer, Stem & Seatpost: ITM Full Carbon
Saddle: Fizik Arione
Tape: Fizik Performance Soft Touch
Tyres: Conti GP4000s

Groupset is the one I can't settle on. Torn between Campagnolo Athena and Ultegra 6800. I'm swaying towards Campag cause I prefer the stripped back style of the chainset over the bulky looking Ultegra.

Total price is just over €2000.

Ultegra Di2 for 2300 is tasty.

froshtyv

I ended up getting Scott foil with ultegra di2, too good a deal to turn down from westbrock cycles. I'll put some pics up when I finish building it.

bazzamac

bought an aeroad last year.reckon its the same frame as your potential new one.highly recommend.

kilns

I think this has to be some of the best value out there, for a frame the pros geniunely ride

http://www.salden.nl/default.asp?pid=53&fs=17645&catid=2926