angus bullocks

triggerharvey

I have angus bullocks 25 months old weighing 550 to 650 kgs should I finish them r go to the mart?

blue5000

If they were mine I'd finish.

Reggie.

blue5000 wrote: »

If they were mine I'd finish.

+1

I said

If your in the angus scheme you'd be better finishing them yourself

darragh_haven

You've nearly finished them as it is. Hold on to them and finish

grizzlyadams

triggerharvey wrote: »

I have angus bullocks 25 months old weighing 550 to 650 kgs should I finish them r go to the mart?

Yeah , finish them , worth it for the bonus at that weight

on the river

FINISH THEM

restive

The bonus for angus ends on the last week of June. The winter bonus is November /December.

triggerharvey

restive wrote: »

The bonus for angus ends on the last week of June. The winter bonus is November /December.

How much nuts would they need and for how long?

triggerharvey

restive wrote: »

The bonus for angus ends on the last week of June. The winter bonus is November /December.

How much nuts would they need and for how long?

Reggie.

on the river wrote: »

FINISH THEM

Mortal kombat style

restive

I usually give 3kg a day. How long can depend. I would say 3 months.

CluanBomb

3kg how many times a day!?

Need more than that to grade them well!

restive

CluanBomb wrote: »

3kg how many times a day!?

Need more than that to grade them well!

Once a day. How many kg should i be giving them?

CluanBomb

restive wrote: »

Once a day. How many kg should i be giving them?

Our steers would finish on 8kgs ish per head per day maybe more. Continentals though.

I know it's a different system but we killed an angus bull last week @14 months on 10kg a day. That got U+ 3.

We changed to angus bull last year so this years calves when coming to finishing time will be new to us but I can't see the angus needing too much less meal, just fattening quicker!

restive

How many days would this be over?

jwof2006

What weight would you be expecting to finish? Would have thought 650kgs is finished.

triggerharvey

jwof2006 wrote: »

What weight would you be expecting to finish? Would have thought 650kgs is finished.

No this fella will carry another 100 kgs

triggerharvey

jwof2006 wrote: »

What weight would you be expecting to finish? Would have thought 650kgs is finished.

No this fella will carry another 100 kgs

bogman_bass

Reggie. wrote: »

Mortal kombat style

Good to know I wasn't the only one thinking it!

Farmer Pudsey

I would finish them

restive wrote: »

The bonus for angus ends on the last week of June. The winter bonus is November /December.

No it dose not end it will reduce to a lower level actually from June 1st it drops a little every week I think

triggerharvey wrote: »

How much nuts would they need and for how long?

2-3 kgs depending on grass and condition

restive wrote: »

I usually give 3kg a day. How long can depend. I would say 3 months.

If they are 550 kgs they will need about 90-120 kgs to finish well however this will depend on type and how fast they gain weight. If good quality they will kill about 53% they will kill 330-360kgs.

CluanBomb wrote: »

3kg how many times a day!?

Need more than that to grade them well!

No not really, no point ploughing 5kgs/day ibto them costing abother 50c/day for maybe 60 days for them to go up 12c/kg. Extra ration cost 30 euro, extra grade (from O=-R- is 12c all the rest are 6c/kg so I am factoring in best senario) will be 40 euro. However if they go from R- to R= and from O= to O+ you get on 6c/kg. Also withh AA you have to watch fat score.

CluanBomb wrote: »

Our steers would finish on 8kgs ish per head per day maybe more. Continentals though.

I know it's a different system but we killed an angus bull last week @14 months on 10kg a day. That got U+ 3.

We changed to angus bull last year so this years calves when coming to finishing time will be new to us but I can't see the angus needing too much less meal, just fattening quicker!

You are finishinf inside this lad is on grass I expect different game

triggerharvey wrote: »

No this fella will carry another 100 kgs

Carrying another 100kg may not be more profitable depending on time of year and cost of feeding. However I be slow to be pushing cattle at present extar kill since start of year 70K cattle only 100k extra in system also more bullocks this year so less cattle to kill sub 24 months.

The time you sell cattle and the price you pay influences profit more than the efficency, grading etc

restive

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

I would finish them



No it dose not end it will reduce to a lower level actually from June 1st it drops a little every week I think


Weeks starting may 19 & 26 - 20 cents
Weeks starting June 2 & 9 - 16 cents
Weeks starting June 16 & 23 - 13 cents

Therefore it finishes the last week of June.

Farmer Pudsey

restive wrote: »

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

I would finish them



No it dose not end it will reduce to a lower level actually from June 1st it drops a little every week I think


Weeks starting may 19 & 26 - 20 cents
Weeks starting June 2 & 9 - 16 cents
Weeks starting June 16 & 23 - 13 cents

Therefore it finishes the last week of June.

You have to book one month in advance at least some of this bonus is swallowed up in a lower base price than can be attained by negotiation normally. Depending on year this can be as much as 10c/kg. You still get the nprmal AA bonus. With the normal rise in cattle prices mot evident this year price may be as strong later in the year, I be inclined to take cattle to as near to 30 months as possible depending on fat score.

Reggie.

bogman_bass wrote: »

Good to know I wasn't the only one thinking it!

Showing our age bogman

bogman_bass

remind me to teach you the street fighter drinking game some time

triggerharvey

well lads some of the angus cattle going to the factory Monday will let ye know how they get on

Farmer Pudsey

triggerharvey wrote: »

well lads some of the angus cattle going to the factory Monday will let ye know how they get on

What base are you getting.

triggerharvey

375 base plus 12c qa and 15c angus scheme

I said

triggerharvey wrote: »

375 base plus 12c qa and 15c angus scheme

Not bad with xtra 27cent

Farmer Pudsey

triggerharvey wrote: »

375 base plus 12c qa and 15c angus scheme

Well how did you get on was it wort finishing them

triggerharvey

well lads killed the rest of the angus,s yesterday they averaged 342 kgs dead all graded o= AND O + 388 per kg inc qa and angus scheme

Reggie.

triggerharvey wrote: »

well lads killed the rest of the angus,s yesterday they averaged 342 kgs dead all graded o= AND O + 388 per kg inc qa and angus scheme

Are ya happy enough

Cavanjack

triggerharvey wrote: »

well lads killed the rest of the angus,s yesterday they averaged 342 kgs dead all graded o= AND O + 388 per kg inc qa and angus scheme

What was your base price?

triggerharvey

Cavanjack wrote: »

What was your base price?

375

triggerharvey

Cavanjack wrote: »

What was your base price?

375

farmer10

triggerharvey wrote: »

375

I thought you said you were getting €3.75/kg base + 12c for quality assurance & 15c for aax b
premium which would bring it to €4.00/kg??

adne

farmer10 wrote: »

I thought you said you were getting €3.75/kg base + 12c for quality assurance & 15c for aax b
premium which would bring it to €4.00/kg??

They graded O. Base is on R

Farmer Pudsey

adne wrote: »

They graded O. Base is on R

Before the grid came in about 50% of AA and HE off dairy stock graded as R's. In last seven year this has changed it is only the odd one of these animal that grades as an R. I do not think this is all down to more HO breeding in the animals. Loads are now grading as O=

The grid is really punishing animals that grade O. From the base to O+ it a 12c drop and you also suffer higher penelty's when you hit outside FS at 2+ and 4+ and your QA bonus id gone at O- as well. R+ and U grade cattle do not lose as much for falling outside fat specs.

With AA and HE you can also lose this bonus very fast on being slightly overweight on bullocks and underweight on heifers and AA only pays on O= heifers.

So take a lad selling a mix of AA or Hereford cattle that grade gennerally O=/O+, if one falls into O- and 1-2 are FS2+ and one is FS O=4=/+ it all helps to pull you back towards base. This is the reason that a lot of lads that finish Friesians myself included are not bothered abouth over/under 30months. Only 20ish% will make the grade anyway, if a Friesian grades O=2+ you lose 6c of the bonus anyway, hold him and he could grow into an O+4 where you get part of the QA and overage penelty back anyway.

I have seen narrowish friesians that at 30 months would grade P+2+ in 3-4 months go into O=4+ cattle. When they stop growing they really pound on the condition and confirmation changes as well

farmer10

Will many lads on this fatten cattle this winter? If they are I admire their optimism.

Farmer Pudsey

farmer10 wrote: »

Will many lads on this fatten cattle this winter? If they are I admire their optimism.

It may actually be a good year as grain prices are down a bit, rations may be less than 200/ton. Store will not reach the heady prices of last fall. However I will not be doing it myself for a few reasons. There is no stability in bull prices. Ages spec are harder and harder to guess and this makes Fresians harder bring into system. Fresian bulls would need an O price of 4/kg. Fat score is another issue Factory's loking for FS 3 and they are more and more discounting O- bulls.

Really it is time for the smaller finisher to exit winter finishing until the factory put a stability mechanism for finishers in place

farmer10

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

It may actually be a good year as grain prices are down a bit, rations may be less than 200/ton. Store will not reach the heady prices of last fall. However I will not be doing it myself for a few reasons. There is no stability in bull prices. Ages spec are harder and harder to guess and this makes Fresians harder bring into system. Fresian bulls would need an O price of 4/kg. Fat score is another issue Factory's loking for FS 3 and they are more and more discounting O- bulls.

Really it is time for the smaller finisher to exit winter finishing until the factory put a stability mechanism for finishers in place

Agree. Stores & weaning cattle are making enough too though. How long can farmers keep going though loosing money for all the work that goes into it. Would you make money buying friesan bullocks to fatten this winter? How much would a 400kg friesan bullock cost now to buy? Barley price is low but will the merchants be as quick to charge livestock farmers as low I don't think so

blue5000

farmer10 wrote: »

Will many lads on this fatten cattle this winter? If they are I admire their optimism.

I'd say a lot of ppl still have to pay last winter's bills, I don't think cattle will be too dear this autumn. The only exception might be along west coast where ppl have got out of sucklers and have lots of feed and empty sheds. I can't imagine ration coming down a whole lot either.

farmer10

blue5000 wrote: »

I'd say a lot of ppl still have to pay last winter's bills, I don't think cattle will be too dear this autumn. The only exception might be along west coast where ppl have got out of sucklers and have lots of feed and empty sheds. I can't imagine ration coming down a whole lot either.

Their dear enough to buy now though. Will any try finish off the grass this year? I find it hard to see how guys loosing over €100/head last winter could turn around & do same thing again

Farmer Pudsey

farmer10 wrote: »

Agree. Stores & weaning cattle are making enough too though. How long can farmers keep going though loosing money for all the work that goes into it. Would you make money buying friesan bullocks to fatten this winter? How much would a 400kg friesan bullock cost now to buy? Barley price is low but will the merchants be as quick to charge livestock farmers as low I don't think so

Very had to make money fattening friesian out of the shed. A 400kg friesian will need to be got to 600kgs, some may only kill 47/48% at that weight. They will eat 2.2/2.3 times body weight and conversian will only be 15/1. Would be easier to store get out to grass in March and finish in June with a good dollop of meal not sure that you make money either. Time is the thing with friesians> I have some that are hitting 480kgs at present and I will not even consider finishing out of shed, maybe some will go in June next.

TUBBY

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Very had to make money fattening friesian out of the shed. A 400kg friesian will need to be got to 600kgs, some may only kill 47/48% at that weight. They will eat 2.2/2.3 times body weight and conversian will only be 15/1. Would be easier to store get out to grass in March and finish in June with a good dollop of meal not sure that you make money either. Time is the thing with friesians> I have some that are hitting 40kgs at present and I will not even consider finishing out of shed, maybe some will go in June next.

You have awful light cattle Pudsey

Farmer Pudsey

TUBBY wrote: »

You have awful light cattle Pudsey

Ya have some of them as well

farmer10

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Very had to make money fattening friesian out of the shed. A 400kg friesian will need to be got to 600kgs, some may only kill 47/48% at that weight. They will eat 2.2/2.3 times body weight and conversian will only be 15/1. Would be easier to store get out to grass in March and finish in June with a good dollop of meal not sure that you make money either. Time is the thing with friesians> I have some that are hitting 480kgs at present and I will not even consider finishing out of shed, maybe some will go in June next.

Yeah thats the thing with friesans they have v poor feed conversion. What would most lads think would be average killout for friesan bullocks & what would killout be for Aberdeen angus? Would you ever try angus cattle theyd finish off good quality silage & even off the grass

mark 6910

triggerharvey wrote: »

I have angus bullocks 25 months old weighing 550 to 650 kgs should I finish them r go to the mart?

Finish them before they are 30 months