Who You Gonna Vote: (Sligo Electoral Area)

Kettleson

Who You Gonna Vote: (Sligo Electoral Area)

Mint Sauce

Not a fecking clue yet.

Kettleson

Mint Sauce wrote: »

Not a fecking clue yet.

A good way to be IMO...

mountainy man

Kettleson wrote: »

Who You Gonna Vote: (Sligo Electoral Area)

Any chance you could do a poll for the Ballymote/Tubber electoral area too, please?

Kettleson

mountainy man wrote: »

Any chance you could do a poll for the Ballymote/Tubber electoral area too, please?

Yeah will do. That's the first poll I've ever posted and didn't have time to do both. Will do that tomorrow morning. Bit of fun really, but hopefully interesting at the same time.

EuskalHerria

Today's debate is now online. Half of the Sligo candidates were on.

http://soundcloud.com/oceanfm/north-west-today-tues-20th-may

Tupamaros

Sure I mite give Jimmy McG a scratch somewhere down the line, ive an awful problem with badgers round the back a the house and not wan would sort it for me part from him

mosstin

Tupamaros wrote: »

Sure I mite give Jimmy McG a scratch somewhere down the line, ive an awful problem with badgers round the back a the house and not wan would sort it for me part from him

Did you badger him about it?

Bebo stunnah

Out of that list, 3 of them called to my house. One of them left their leaflet stuck in the frame of my door and one handed me their leaflet with just a smile.
The last one was Veronica Cawley. She'll not be getting my vote. She claimed enough in the last year to keep her going for 4 years out of politics in my opinion.

I'm simply voting for new people, nobody who is currently a counsellor deserves a vote!

Kettleson

If Paddy Power was offering bets on this I'd be having a double on Marie Casserly and Seamus O'Boyle getting elected.

From what I'm hearing, both have a very strong support base. Interesting our wee straw poll reflects that (at the moment!).

thebuzz

Kettleson wrote: »

If Paddy Power was offering bets on this I'd be having a double on Marie Casserly and Seamus O'Boyle getting elected.

From what I'm hearing, both have a very strong support base. Interesting our wee straw poll reflects that (at the moment!).

I won't be voting for Casserly as she doesn't seem interested in any part of Sligo other than north Sligo. She doesn't seem to know where her constituency stretches to as all her focus is down there, but maybe she has enough support down there(I know she's known/liked down there) for her not to bother trying to put in the effort in town.

As for O'Boyle, I'd like to see him get in but I've no idea if he's got big enough support outside of certain parts of Sligo Town.

EuskalHerria

Kettleson wrote: »

If Paddy Power was offering bets on this I'd be having a double on Marie Casserly and Seamus O'Boyle getting elected.

From what I'm hearing, both have a very strong support base. Interesting our wee straw poll reflects that (at the moment!).

Never mind paddy power, I'll take that bet. Create whatever odds you'd like and send the money on.

Whatever about Seamie, Casserliy won't have a hope after this morning. Fair enough she may not have been able to attend today's debate, however her statement read out can't instil much confidence in voters. Offering assurances that she will attend council meetings etc because she can arrange time off from her school for political events. Madness to think anyone could vote for that.

Tupamaros

Kettleson wrote: »

If Paddy Power was offering bets on this I'd be having a double on Marie Casserly and Seamus O'Boyle getting elected.

From what I'm hearing, both have a very strong support base. Interesting our wee straw poll reflects that (at the moment!).

While I'd be delighted to see it, I don't think either will do it. Seamie I'm quite sure won't come anywhere close I'm afraid, and Casserly, I don't know the woman and I've heard she has some support, but I highly doubt it's enough to do the business.

I would expect strong showings from McManus (topping the poll), Keaney, Bree, and even McSharry might pull in a good vote. I expect O'Grady and Veronica to take a seat also, and 2 more FG seats. The last couple of seats are too hard to call. Who knows? Casserly, Healy, Gilmartin, McGuire, McGarry etc. all in the hunt. I don't see Cham, O'Boyle, Cadden, Butler, James Higgins as being at the races, and David Cawley has a LOT of work to do to make it.

conavitzky

James gilmartin is coming across as an arrogant individual in the interview. Donal gilroy spoke well. Pity Marie Casserley did not turn up. Would of liked to hear her views.

EuskalHerria

conavitzky wrote: »

James gilmartin is coming across as an arrogant individual in the interview. Donal gilroy spoke well. Pity Marie Casserley did not turn up. Would of liked to hear her views.

Whatever about coming across as arrogant, he really lost the plot today. Not once but twice. Once on the water charges issue and secondly when confronted about the potential closing of maternity services in Sligo Regional. Deirdre O'Sullivan spoke well from the Save Our Services group too. She was well clued in on the similarities between the removal of cancer services by Fianna Fail and the Fine Gael proposal to "review" maternity services in Sligo regional hospital.

Ham Sambo

EuskalHerria wrote: »

Whatever about coming across as arrogant, he really lost the plot today. Not once but twice. Once on the water charges issue and secondly when confronted about the potential closing of maternity services in Sligo Regional. Deirdre O'Sullivan spoke well from the Save Our Services group too. She was well clued in on the similarities between the removal of cancer services by Fianna Fail and the Fine Gael proposal to "review" maternity services in Sligo regional hospital.

James Gilmartin came across as a hot head that is easy rattled, as for Donal Gilroy the mere sound of his voice would give ya piles! I would say that both Gilmartin and Gilroy were glad Marie Casserly didn't make it as she would have cleaned the floor with both of them

EuskalHerria

Ham Sambo wrote: »

James Gilmartin came across as a hot head that is easy rattled, as for Donal Gilroy the mere sound of his voice would give ya piles! I would say that both Gilmartin and Gilroy were glad Marie Casserly didn't make it as she would have cleaned the floor with both of them

Did she canvass? I don't think I got a leaflet from her through the door.

shanec1928

EuskalHerria wrote: »

Did she canvass? I don't think I got a leaflet from her through the door.

Got a leaflet through the post. The quota is 1500-1700 I believe so I am going to assume she has canvased hard in her own area.

Kettleson

shanec1928 wrote: »

Got a leaflet through the post. The quota is 1500-1700 I believe so I am going to assume she has canvased hard in her own area.

Wow seems like a massive quota. Going to be interesting.

Here's the 2009 votes.

http://www.sligotoday.ie/details.php?id=4525

Will there be an opportunity for greater accountability with fewer players to keep an eye on? And what are the chances that anything will change?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yW3AU9SWfX0

56lcd

Ham Sambo wrote: »

James Gilmartin came across as a hot head that is easy rattled, as for Donal Gilroy the mere sound of his voice would give ya piles! I would say that both Gilmartin and Gilroy were glad Marie Casserly didn't make it as she would have cleaned the floor with both of them

My personal opinion on the debate.
Donal Gilroy was well spoken but unfortunately for him people won't forget the legacy Fianna Fail have left us with.
James Higgins is a single issue candidate.
Healey span the no water charges mantra but he was rattled when it was pointed out that him party Iimplements substantially higher water charges across the border.
Martin Cadden seems a nice guy ... but maybe too nice for politics ... not vocal enough.
James Gilmartin was vocal and dominant ... He seemed to be getting concerted attacks focused on him from various plants in the audience. .. He seems to be primarily focused on the rural community ... I doubt that he will get much support from the can't pay/ won't pay anarchist groups.
Thomas Collary was too softly spoken .. just not vocal enough.
Hubert Keaney arrived in late which is inexcusable .
Hubert seems intelligent but not a dominant enough character.
Kebba Cham was a no show.
Most glaring absence was the non attendance of Maria Casserly ... This was an unforgettable snub to the people of electoral area.
Sending her husband to represent her was simply not good enough ... If she gets elected will she be sending her husband to represent her on the council.
She knew from the minute that she entered the election race that there was going to be a radio debate so her lame excuse for not attending was not valid... Was she afraid to be put under the spotlight in a radio debate
The debate was hijacked by various individuals mostly from the no to everything groups.
My overall view is that Gilroy seems able but I can't ever forgive Fianna Fail, Healy would probably work hard but his party's anti-European stance goads me ... you don't bite the hand that feeds .... also I can't help thinking of the screams of the McConville children the night that their mother was taken from them to be brutally murdered
Gilmartin was domineering but I like that ... I want someone vocal fighting my corner
The rest of the people in the debate were ineffectual ... simply not strong enough to get their view across .... We need strong vocal candidates.

thebuzz

56lcd wrote: »

Thomas Collary was too softly spoken .. just not vocal enough.

I don't know the guy as he wasn't previously in my area but he made a fool of himself by saying he'd be better off on the dole when being asked about their pay and expenses. That's an insulting thing to say, particularly when he's in a party which is in charge at a time when Ireland has such a high number of people on the dole, despite the number of jobs his party are supposedly creating every week. As if the dole is anything close to their wages and expenses. That's enough to put me off giving him any number on Friday.

In Fairness

Re Casserly- I know she has canvassed extensively all over the constit area. Hard when you're not with the big machines. Hard worker, gets product, talks common sense.

red sean

In Fairness wrote: »

I know she has canvassed extensively all over the constit area. Hard when you're not with the big machines. Hard worker, gets product, talks common sense.

Who???

shanec1928

Kettleson wrote: »

Wow seems like a massive quota. Going to be interesting.

not really I think the area has just over 40K

red sean wrote: »

Who???

Casserly

Kettleson

shanec1928 wrote: »

not really I think the area has just over 40K


Casserly

...compared to 2009? The quota was much lower. I'm thinking that only McManus and Bree stand a chance of getting elected on the first count? Am I getting this wrong?

2009: first count:

Sligo Strandhill 7 Seats Note these are only Tally figures
Tony McLoughlin (FG) - Tally 2001 prediction / will be elected
Declan Bree (IND) - Tally 1328 prediction / will be elected
Sean MacManus (SF) - Tally 1027 prediction / will be elected
Deirdre H-McGowan (FF) - Tally 797
Imelda Henry (FG) - Tally 665
Rosaleen O'Grady (FF) - Tally 594
Jim McGarry (LAB) - Tally 498
Albert Higgins (FF) - Tally 437


Sligo Drumcliff 6 Seats Note these are only Tally figures
Veronica Cawley (LAB) - Tally 669 prediction / will be elected
Jude Devins (FF) second - Tally 507 prediction / will be elected
Arthur Gibbons (SF) -Tally 430 prediction / will be elected
Seamus Kilgannon (FF) - Tally 373
Keaney (FG) - Tally 372
Matt Lyons (FG) - Tally 345

Ballymote - 4 Seats - (Quota 1181)
Gerard Mullaney (FG) - Elected (Poll-Topper at 1437)
Martin Baker (FF) - Elected (At 1208)
Thomas Collery (FG) - Elected without reaching quota
Pat McGrath (FG) - Elected without reaching quota

Dromore West - 4 Seats - (Quota 1284)
Michael Clarke (Ind) - Elected (Poll-topper)
Mary Barrett (FG) - Elected (At 1390 with transfers)
Joseph Queenan (FF) - Elected (At 1298 with transfers)
Dara Mulvey (FG) Elected (At 1298 with transfers)

Tubbercurry - 4 Seats - (Quota 1185)
Margaret Gormley (Ind) Elected (Poll topper at 2162 votes)
Gerry Murray (FG) Elected (At 1211 votes)
Jerry Lundy (FF) Elected (At 1266 votes)
Michael Fleming (FG) elected without reaching quota


Edit: I'm just copping on, is this a much larger electoral area?

shanec1928

Kettleson wrote: »

Edit: I'm just copping on, is this a much larger electoral area?

far larger. from top of north sligo out to ballisodare and collooney and all in between those areas.

Map of the area

Dringe123

My policy from the start was to vote for new people & punish outgoing candidates. However I've only decided on Sinead Maguire & possibly Tom McSharry so far. I had considered Marie Casserly but not impressed that she didn't take part in the debate & worse that she sent her husband! Will have to research a bit more about the others. Might give Bree a stroke....even though he's of the old stock.

Sligored

My top 4 in sligo electoral area , not as party candidates but as people, sean mcmanus, david cawley, seamie o boyle, matt lyons. i understand that their policies are chalk and cheese but think a compromise can be achieved.

Dont like marian harkin , but poor alternatives in european elections as a sligo person. dont want to vote for ming , might give jim higgins a tick.

not going to vote for people for the sake of they might be better than what we have already !!

Kettleson

Disappointed that Marie Casserly didn't show at the Ocean Debate. Such an avoidable banana skin to slip up on. Folk were bound to point the finger about her ability to attend meetings and the like.

And it would be a fair point. Shows a lack of understanding as to how these cute political hoors operate on instinct. Really let her guard down there.

The very least she should have declared that if she were elected she would take a sabbatical. I mean, couldn't attend because she had a Junior/leaving Cert class? Come on!

Has she made any statement to address her opponents faithful who are using this to her detriment?

I really want the independents to do well, but that was an unnecessary spanner in her campaign. Some damage limitation needed ASAP.

sligoface

Dringe123 wrote: »

My policy from the start was to vote for new people & punish outgoing candidates. However I've only decided on Sinead Maguire & possibly Tom McSharry so far. I had considered Marie Casserly but not impressed that she didn't take part in the debate & worse that she sent her husband! Will have to research a bit more about the others. Might give Bree a stroke....even though he's of the old stock.

Isn't Tom related to Marc, who is old stock and Fianna Fail to boot? I'm against the nepotism rampant in politics. He canvassed my street but said nothing and just threw a leaflet and ran off. Get the impression that he's just a young silver spoon solicitor looking to bring the gravy train back home.

I'd love to see Vincent Browne host a debate with this lot the way he did last night with the ones from Westmeath. He made short work of them, great to see someone show how easy it is to roast these chancers who haven't got a clue.

I am uninspired by this lot to say the least, might just vote for the taxi driver fella and SF, there will be not a single vote from me for any FF, FG or Lab. I prefer independents but I don't trust Bree, while Cawley claimed obscene expenses which disgusted me.

Matt Lyons voted against the recent legislation for women in danger to be allowed to have an abortion. No way would I ever vote for him.

Tupamaros

The debates were underwhelming in my view, largely due to the number of candidates. Very difficult job for Niall. That said, a few talking points emerged (apart from the Martin Ford Affair and some muffled scuffles in the second debate).

The first debate felt a little bit like the B-team were playing. I think Keaney will do well, Healy has a chance etc. but overall the second debate had a stronger field. I sympathise with Gilmartin in that the audience member who called him a liar offered zero specificity. However, his reaction was just way over the top, he seems to have a very short fuse which isn't a positive. Was he not thinking of PR?

Healy's stunt with the water was quite good, and he was a very decent performer. Higgins has no chance at all. Would have liked to have heard Casserly, may cost her a preference with me despite a preference for non-mainstream candidates as I simply know nothing about her.

In the second debate, (it was difficult to identify some voices at times) McManus shone and Bree spoke passionately as usual. Both should do well, with McManus possibly topping the poll (depends how SF managed the division of the electoral area). Understandably, Lab got ferociously attacked, and I don't see Marcella making it. Jimmy the wily fox cannot be ruled out, he's long enough in the tooth to give himself a fighting chance. Both were underwhelming, particuarly Marcella. Also, Jimmy could do with learning when the election is on, might help.

Sinead McGuire seems nice, but received a serious bashing over health service promises and kept her head down after that for the remainder of the debate. Tony McLoughlin is pushing hard for her on the ground with FG/local loyalists, which I'm sure is not appreciated by Lyons/Cawley. I thought Cawley was considered in his approach as usual, and is a nice guy, but I don't see him making it. Tony's canvassing may have seen to that.

O'Grady was decent (apart from the laughable comment at the end about protecting the elderly. Medical cards anyone?), and Tom McSharry wasn't good or bad. Seamie spoke well enough, echoing much of Bree's message in a perhaps less articulate way, but passionate nonetheless. Matt Lyons spent a lot of time attacking Bree, the Indos and SF, which sounded a little bit tetchy to be honest.

Gardiner was a non-event. Kilgallen wasn't the best, but not quite the worst either. Veronica was solid if unspectacular (like the majority I think).

On a side not, it amuses me to see people saying they won't vote for sitting Cllrs. and want to shake things up a bit, and then just vote for younger party hacks of the same old parties. The faces aren't the issue you should be voting on, it's policies (plus integrity).

Speakeasy11

Tell you the truth, I'm not voting for independents or People before profit because they're anti everything- great opposition position but doesn't work practically when they have to make decisions. As for mouthing off about charges? It would suit some of them to do a days work and then they might understand the plight of the ordinary tax paying citizen...

Tupamaros

Sligored wrote: »

My top 4 in sligo electoral area , not as party candidates but as people, sean mcmanus, david cawley, seamie o boyle, matt lyons. i understand that their policies are chalk and cheese but think a compromise can be achieved.

Dont like marian harkin , but poor alternatives in european elections as a sligo person. dont want to vote for ming , might give jim higgins a tick.

not going to vote for people for the sake of they might be better than what we have already !!

The type of compromise reached between Seamie O'Boyle and Matt Lyons would most likely involve the former's anti-austerity boot up the latter's howl.

Tupamaros

Speakeasy11 wrote: »

Tell you the truth, I'm not voting for independents or People before profit because they're anti everything- great opposition position but doesn't work practically when they have to make decisions. As for mouthing off about charges? It would suit some of them to do a days work and then they might understand the plight of the ordinary tax paying citizen...

Yes, all the independents and PBP are layabouts and spongers who have never done 'a days work'. Tell me this, was it you who caused all this Martin Ford dramatica? :pac:

Speakeasy11

I'm talking about people who have never worked a day in their lives pre-recession or post. People who are able to criticise but not to plan...

sligoface

Speakeasy11 wrote: »

Tell you the truth, I'm not voting for independents or People before profit because they're anti everything- great opposition position but doesn't work practically when they have to make decisions. As for mouthing off about charges? It would suit some of them to do a days work and then they might understand the plight of the ordinary tax paying citizen...

What's practical about the water charge? Not much.
The decisions being made currently are forcing austerity on the most vulnerable and the poorest in society. Not the ones who caused the mess and not those who are well off. This policy of taking from the poor and giving to the filthy rich has to stop. If a candidate does not agree they won't be getting my vote.

Speakeasy11

sligoface wrote: »

What's practical about the water charge? Not much.
The decisions being made currently are forcing austerity on the most vulnerable and the poorest in society. Not the ones who caused the mess and not those who are well off. This policy of taking from the poor and giving to the filthy rich has to stop. If a candidate does not agree they won't be getting my vote.

The Troika insisted on water charges as part of the ninth review of the bailout. We had NO choice and any local candidate who says they can do something about this is lying...

Tupamaros

Speakeasy11 wrote: »

I'm talking about people who have never worked a day in their lives pre-recession or post. People who are able to criticise but not to plan...

The 'not worked a day in their lives' refrain, and those of a similar nature, are tired substitutes in Irish politics for real policy discussion. Play the ball, not the man (or woman).

Tupamaros

Speakeasy11 wrote: »

The Troika insisted on water charges as part of the ninth review of the bailout. We had NO choice and any local candidate who says they can do something about this is lying...

I thought the troika was gone? So FG/Lab gov. supporters take credit for getting rid of the troika, but say it's now forcing in the new water charges? Would you ever behave yourself. The government had a large degree of fiscal autonomy to raise revenue as it wished under the Troika. And now it's gone, so why on earth would you suggest the government are being forced to implement a policy by a body that has left?

Kettleson

I didn't listen to all of the first part of the radio broadcast. It was so dull I went about more necessary business. What's the story with Martin F' saying he was sorry for something and the mention of a gun?

I was talking to Bree last night. He is a lot more friendly/approachable/amenable in person than the impression he gives out on the radio. He always sounds anxiously aggressive to me on radio. He could do with a bit of PR advice.

McManus streets ahead in that respect.

Speakeasy11

Just for a bit of fun... who was the best and worst canvasser you met during the campaign?

EuskalHerria

Speakeasy11 wrote: »

Just for a bit of fun... who was the best and worst canvasser you met during the campaign?

The Best: Anyone actually with a candidate and who I spoke with.

The Worst: Those too afraid to knock on the door.

Kettleson

Speakeasy11 wrote: »

Just for a bit of fun... who was the best and worst canvasser you met during the campaign?

Best Sean McManus. Head and shoulders above all those that I met. The business. Diplomatic, knowledgeable, keen, interested, ready to shake things up.

Worst: Veronica Cawley. Seemed in a rush and disinterested. Conversation went something like "I'm Veronica Cawley, I'm from the town, can I depend on your vote?"....errr... But fair play to her, I only met a few. So she's not really the "worst". I had a good few "Sorry missed you" when I was in the house and the doorbell didn't ring. At least Veronica waited to chat.

Have to give McGarry a mention, although I'm loathed to give the "Labour" Party anything, from a local perspective, he knows his stuff and will probably work hard if he gets in.

O'Boyle: Didn't meet, did well enough on the Ocean Debate and hope to meet before I vote.

Casserly: Didn't meet. I think she was canvassing early in the day and should have held back until the obvious fight was on. No-show at Ocean debate. Not good for whatever reason.

I cant really give a strong preference to someone I know very little about (apart from a few brief You Tube vids). Which is a shame, she seems a genuine sort.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcIeZ0kXTrs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78VApkBoT3Q

56lcd

Kettleson wrote: »

Best Sean McManus. Head and shoulders above all those that I met. The business. Diplomatic, knowledgeable, keen, interested, ready to shake things up.

Worst: Veronica Cawley. Seemed in a rush and disinterested. Conversation went something like "I'm Veronica Cawley, I'm from the town, can I depend on your vote?"....errr... But fair play to her, I only met a few. So she's not really the "worst". I had a good few "Sorry missed you" when I was in the house and the doorbell didn't ring. At least Veronica waited to chat.


Casserly: Didn't meet. I think she was canvassing early in the day and should have held back until the obvious fight was on. No-show at Ocean debate. Not good for whatever reason.

I cant really give a strong preference to someone I know very little about (apart from a few brief You Tube vids).]

Didn't Marie Casserly gain a lot of publicity about election posters

Kettleson

56lcd wrote: »

Didn't Marie Casserly gain a lot of publicity about election posters

LOL! Promise broken already!

EuskalHerria

Kettleson wrote: »

LOL! Promise broken already!

I saw billboards along the road, but no actually posters? Or did Casserly have posters in the end?

Polling booths are quiet so far, from what I understand.

Kettleson

EuskalHerria wrote: »

I saw billboards along the road, but no actually posters? Or did Casserly have posters in the end?

Polling booths are quiet so far, from what I understand.

Ooops sorry, I thought they were the same?

56lcd

EuskalHerria wrote: »

I saw billboards along the road, but no actually posters? Or did Casserly have posters in the end?

.

http://www.sligotoday.ie/details.php?id=31008


Marie wasn't the only one that had problems with people tampering with election posters

http://www.sligotoday.ie/details.php?id=31121

red sean

Kettleson wrote: »

LOL! Promise broken already!

In fairness to her, when no other party/candidate was willing to do the same she was left at a disadvantage (profilewise).
If you can't beat, join them scenario!
As an independent standing for the first time, she needed as much publicity as possible.
I think the new CoCo should bring in a bye-law stating a blanket ban on election posters, and let future candidates call personally, use social media, local papers, local radio etc. and it would leave a leveller playing field.
But more importantly, less litter and defacement of the environment.

Kettleson

56lcd wrote: »

http://www.sligotoday.ie/details.php?id=31008


Marie wasn't the only one that had problems with people tampering with election posters

http://www.sligotoday.ie/details.php?id=31121

Yeah, shows you the desperate mentality of the "party faithful". For many, I sincerely hope the game is up. I'm looking forward to the results coming in tomorrow. Ocean do great coverage.

Whoever it is that gets elected, it is up to us to keep an eye on them and make sure they work for us, and not themselves and their cronies as so often before.

56lcd

red sean wrote: »

In fairness to her, when no other party/candidate was willing to do the same she was left at a disadvantage (profilewise).
If you can't beat, join them scenario!
As an independent standing for the first time, she needed as much publicity as possible.
I think the new CoCo should bring in a bye-law stating a blanket ban on election posters, and let future candidates call personally, use social media, local papers, local radio etc. and it would leave a leveller playing field.
But more importantly, less litter and defacement of the environment.

A number of candidates did not put up any posters.
Sinead Maguire and Marie Casserly were the worst culprits when it came to posters/billboards .... who paid for these posters or are both candidates filthy rich and paid for them out of their own pockets. .. It looked like some candidates were trying to buy the election