Interns Paying Rent to Live At Home

delikins

Hey guys,

So I'm a student in NUIM whose taking a year out to do a paid internship before I go into my final year. My mum informed me that I'll be paying rent for this year, which is fine but we're having difficulty agreeing on an amount! She is asking for €350 per month which I feel is a bit steep. I would like to pay €50 per week.

I have no problem paying rent, it's only fair. I haven't seen my contract yet but I know the money I'll be earning is somewhere between 17,000-19,000. I feel what she's asking for is too much as I was really hoping to save the majority of the money I earn so I can pay for my final year of college myself, the €3,000 college fees, my accommodation (€4,000) as I'm not within commuting distance and my weekly money of €60. On top of this I also have to pay college fees for the year I'm taking out (€2,700) as the internship is through the college and I'm technically still registered at the college even though I wont be there.

I already pay for my own car insurance which is €160 pm and I hope to use the rest of the money from the internship to fund a J1 next summer.

She pays for non of my personal expenses such as clothes, phone, socialising etc.

Is what she's asking for unreasonable? What would you guys charge your 19 year old for living at home, bearing in mind this is an intern salary and not an graduate one?

Thanks!

michellie

This will go down well here

Sulla Felix

You'll use more electricity than 50E in a month, never mind the rest. On the other hand, she is a bit of a cúnt. I think that covers both sides of the argument nicely?

tomwaterford

delikins wrote: »

Hey guys,

So I'm a student in NUIM whose taking a year out to do a paid internship before I go into my final year. My mum informed me that I'll be paying rent for this year, which is fine but we're having difficulty agreeing on an amount! She is asking for €350 per month which I feel is a bit steep. I would like to pay €50.

I have no problem paying rent, it's only fair. I haven't seen my contract yet but I know the money I'll be earning is somewhere between 17,000-19,000. I feel what she's asking for is too much as I was really hoping to save the majority of the money I earn so I can pay for my final year of college myself, the €3,000 college fees, my accommodation (€4,000) as I'm not within commuting distance and my weekly money of €60. On top of this I also have to pay college fees for the year I'm taking out (€2,700) as the internship is through the college and I'm technically still registered at the college even though I wont be there.

I already pay for my own car insurance which is €160 pm and I hope to use the rest of the money from the internship to fund a J1 next summer.

She pays for non of my personal expenses such as clothes, phone, socialising etc.

Is what she's asking for unreasonable? What would you guys charge your 19 year old for living at home, bearing in mind this is an intern salary and not an graduate one?

Thanks!

I was paying e300 a month at 18 when I was 1st year apprentice and was earning e250 a week...and trying to pay for car insurance aswell (E3200)

pay the women

Boombastic

your mam is closer to the figure

50/ month would be a joke

jubella

Don't think you'll get much sympathy here! Sounds reasonable to me. I did an internship for a year, same as you, and paid up 300 a month at home, didn't even question it. 50 a month is nothing in fairness.

Edit: Just saw it's 50 a week. Well look, I'm sure if you talk it out and do a budget up you might be able to knock a bit off. But I still don't think it's an unreasonable amount.

pablo128

A salary is a salary. 80 bucks a week. Jesus, I gave my ma more than that 10 years ago when I was living at home.
I was probably earning as much as you will be earning. Welcome to being an adult.

awec

It sounds about right. Roughly 30% of your income.

I am sure it would cost you a lot more than 200 quid a month to move out. You're still saving.

Un Croissant

Boombastic wrote: »

your mam is closer to the figure

50/ month would be a joke

It would be 200 a month if I read right.

the blunder years

Pay want your mam wants or find a place for yourself

miggins

Op said 50 a week not month

delikins

Sorry lads that was a typo! I meant €50 per week! I should have specified.

whupdedo

50 a week he fcukin said

FairytaleGirl

Didnt the op say €50 per week ?

Anyway op, have you sat down and shown your mam your budget? May be easier to decide when she sees what you're workin with in black and white!

Pedro K

Yeah, the OP said 50 per week. Not per month. A lot of people need to learn to read the post before jumping in.

Flippyfloppy

He's saying 50/week !!
OP , sit down and do an excel sheet with a budget. See if it's at all doable and if not try to come to a compromise with your mother.

awec

Pedro K wrote: »

Yeah, the OP said 50 per week. Not per month. A lot of people need to learn to read the post before jumping in.

It said 50 a month initially before he edited it.

Olive8585

A lot of people only earn that much in jobs and have to fully support themselves, so not sure how relevant it is that it's an 'internship'? Your mam isn't being unreasonable as most students would have to pay far more than that in rent/bills. If she needs the money, I'd just pay it. If she doesn't, I'd explain that I want to put myself through final year, yadda yadda and see if she comes around.

Electric Sheep

The OP said E50 a month, not a week.

Does the rent include food, toiletries and laundry? If so, your mother is definintely in the right, E50 a week would not even cover it.

If you will be buying your own food, paying your share of the other bills like electricity, etc, then she should cut you some slack.

shruikan2553

Depends on what it covers. Try 300 a month. Does your mother cover your rent etc during the year?

Boombastic

delikins wrote: »

Sorry lads that was a typo! I meant €50 per week! I should have specified.

that's a bit more reasonable


even still, I think your mam is still closer

Nib

Tell your Mother to stick her house up her hole and go rent a room in a house share.

She sounds like a right bint.

Leftyflip

If my folks asked me for rent money, I'd give them whatever they asked. Maybe it's just me but for 19 years they've clothed me, fed me, paid all my medical bills, my education, more or less everything and have done so much for me.

So if they asked me for €350 out of €400 a month, I'd hand it straight over, without a moments hesitation!

Sh1tbag OToole

Nib wrote: »

Tell your Mother to stick her house up her hole and go rent a room in a house share.

She sounds like a right bint.

Better craic too if you move in with some decent folk.

delikins

Yes she pays my rent during the year and half my college fees, I pay the rest. The rent is just a figure, it's not designed to cover everything that I actually cost her per month! I am very grateful and appreciative of everything she does for me but if I don't get all my saving done she'll have to pick up the slack later on in my final year! Hopefully it doesn't come to that!

FrStone

Well, next year you will have to pay College Fees of €3,000. You obviously don't get a grant - so already due to your parents income you have to pay extra. I always presumed the idea behind the fees was that if they believed your parents could afford them that your parents would pay your fees for you.

So seeing as your less well off financially than most students (no grant, have to pay fees), you are justified in looking to pay less rent at home.

It's things like this that annoy me with the grant system. Students go off on a paid workplacement for 6 months and while some have to pay €2,500 for the privilege others get free money handed to them along with the money earned from the placement.

TeddyTedson

Your mother is gold digger OP.
Cut your losses, dump her and move on.

Stheno

At 17k for a year OP will take home about €1366 per month so left with more than €1000 after rent

Given they are at home that will probably include food and bills. Plenty of scope for saving, paying insurance and still having a decent lifestyle

Op could live on 500 and save 500, in a year that's 6k saved, to cover accomodation and fees and his mother making up the shortfall during the college years.

500 per month is over 110 per week which I think is reasonable

Ranchu

See how much rooms in house shares are going for in your area. Pay that. Specify if you're paying the going rate you can smoke spliffs in your bedroom. If she doesn't agree ask for a rent reduction.

pablo128

delikins wrote: »

Yes she pays my rent during the year and half my college fees, I pay the rest. The rent is just a figure, it's not designed to cover everything that I actually cost her per month! I am very grateful and appreciative of everything she does for me but if I don't get all my saving done she'll have to pick up the slack later on in my final year! Hopefully it doesn't come to that!

Ask one of your mates who house shares or lives away from their folks for a breakdown of their weekly or monthly outgoings.
You won't be long giving your mother what she is asking for. As for picking up your slack? If she genuinely has money to spare, fair enough. If not, it's a pretty mean attitude to have.

jubella

delikins wrote: »

Yes she pays my rent during the year and half my college fees, I pay the rest. The rent is just a figure, it's not designed to cover everything that I actually cost her per month! I am very grateful and appreciative of everything she does for me but if I don't get all my saving done she'll have to pick up the slack later on in my final year! Hopefully it doesn't come to that!

Why not just pay the rent to her with the understanding that you'll have less to contribute towards fees and rent next year. If you don't pay as much rent, you run the risk of spending the extra money on discretionary things, and still leaving her to pick up the tab next year.

the blunder years

Scream at her, I'M NOT PAYING YOUR STUPID RENT MOM! and then run up to your room and slam the door shut.

hfallada

This kinda reminds me when I was 5 and I discovered my mother got childrens benefit for me from the state. I told her that I wanted it and she said I could have it, if I paid for all my living expenses. I quickly realised it was cheaper for her to pay for everything.

OP if you think your mother is screwing you. Move out then. But I imagine you will quickly realise its cheaper to live at home

Seaneh

if it's €350 all in, including food, wtf are you complaining about?

Two things.

1. You said you can't afford the 350 a month because you have important expenses coming up you need to save for. A car of your own and a J1 are two huge luxuries, if you were really so hard up for savings, let's be honest, you wouldn't be spending your money on anything like that.

2. You say your mother pays for none of your personal expenses such as phone, socialising, clothes etc. Why on earth would she pay for those things?? Again, they're luxuries, that no average person would expect a parent to pay for if they had any other income. However she is, from the sounds of it, paying for your personal expenses such as electricity, heating, broadband, food, etc.

Honestly, I do think 350 is on the higher end of the range for rent from a parent, as you could probably rent somewhere for that price. But that's your choice, stay at home (where you'll have utilities paid for, food, support, other home comforts, which will be worth a lot when you're coming home from your internship wrecked some nights) and pay the 350, or you can take your chances and move out (and you wont get much for your money at that). 350 is high, but it's not unreasonable. 50 a week certainly is unreasonable though.

Stheno

@ OP does the 350 include food and bills?

Mrs Garth Brooks

OP be glad you dont live my house.

The thread title could read "im female at home paying rent, boys pay nothing"

Seriously. While my mother bought their food, toiletries, done their cooking, their share of bills not taken of them, wiped their holes. While they drank their money.

Girls payed up, bought food, payed bills.

A tax on on tits. That went on supporting cocks.

Joaquin223

50 quid a week is more than enough, I can't think of anyone I know who was paying anything close to 350 a month as a 19 year old college student living at home. The majority were contributing nothing at all!

Olive8585

HardLuckWoman wrote: »

OP be glad you dont live my house.

The thread title could read "im female at home paying rent, boys pay nothing"

Seriously. While my mother bought their food, toiletries, done their cooking, their share of bills not taken of them, wiped their holes. While they drank their money.

Girls payed up, bought food, payed bills.

A tax on on tits. That went on supporting cocks.

Why don't you move out?

Stheno

Joaquin223 wrote: »

50 quid a week is more than enough, I can't think of anyone I know who was paying anything close to 350 a month as a 19 year old college student living at home. The majority were contributing nothing at all!

OP is going to be earning min. 17k a year during this time

Olive8585 wrote: »

Why don't you move out?

Seriously, don't ask, just read post history.

Olive8585

Stheno wrote: »

OP is going to be earning min. 17k a year during this time


Seriously, don't ask, just read post histor.

LOL!

Seaneh

Joaquin223 wrote: »

50 quid a week is more than enough, I can't think of anyone I know who was paying anything close to 350 a month as a 19 year old college student living at home. The majority were contributing nothing at all!

Most 19 year old college students aren't making 17-19000 per year, that's why they don't pay, they are in college fulltime, OP's mother is asking for a contribution while they are earning. I'd assume when they go back to fulltime education next year the contribution will be lowered/scrapped.

Boombastic

op is there any chance your mam would get a second job?

Stheno

Seaneh wrote: »

Most 19 year old college students aren't making 17-19000 per year, that's why they don't pay, they are in college fulltime, OP's mother is asking for a contribution while they are earning. I'd assume when they go back to fulltime education next year the contribution will be lowered/scrapped.

Exactly, when my OHs son was on work experience and earning, he declined pocket money

Clockwork Owl

Talk about some people stating the obvious. Of course you'd be paying more in the rental market! Landlords are running a business and intend on making as much profit as possible from potential tenants. I certainly hope parents don't look at their fledgling adult offspring as a plump, juicy cash cow.

That said, €17-19,000 a year is a nice bit of cash if you don't have food, bills or extortionate rent expenses. Even after college fees, car insurance and €230 a month on sundries, you've still got at least €800 per month to play with.

My suggestion would be to work out how much you'll have to save per month to be financially independent. Then maybe do some research into average running costs for the house and present your case for paying half/a third/whatever, plus a little bit as a thank-you. That, plus helping out with cleaning, laundry, gardening or food shopping, seems reasonable enough.

Big Bag of Chips

delikins wrote: »

if I don't get all my saving done she'll have to pick up the slack later on in my final year!

So basically, if your mam doesn't pick up your slack this year, she'll have to do it in your final year? Doesn't sound like she's getting a good deal either way. A lot of your post is how you can't pay much to your mam because you need to save. Adults live, pay their bills, expenses etc and try to save what they can after this.

You say that you "already" pay your own car insurance... Well aren't you marvelous! It's your car insurance, who do you think should pay it?

You think you cover a lot of your own personal spend and that's great.. but do you know that there is plenty of "household" spend that you get the benefit of? If you moved out you would realise just how much your mam subsidises your life and lifestyle.

Stheno

Does this reflect a weird attitude in younger people these days?

I see it with my OHs kids they order the most expensive option anytime we go out, don't thank us for most things we do, and seem to think their dadd is an unlimited source of funds.

The one good point I have is the child referring to not having pocket money

dxhound2005

€50 a week is €217.46 a month if paid every week of the year. There are 52.18 weeks in a year. People usually make the mistake of saying 4 weeks in a month when doing these calculations. Of course it would have made things clearer if the OP had said how much a month he was prepared to pay.

SaveOurLyric

Dont give her a cent OP.
This carry on is disgraceful, and you hear quite a bit of it these days. Dont move out either as others are suggesting. She is responsible for bringing you into the world and then she expects you to pay her? Nonsense. You are entitled to stay there as I see it. Do a few chores alright; put the bins out, mow the lawn now and again etc. But paying her makes it seem as if you are a farm animal and just another little earner that she owns. It would cheapen your relationship, and you as a human being. The older generation has robbed the younger one blind over the last 20 years and they just dont know when to stop.

Olive8585

SaveOurLyric wrote: »

Dont give her a cent OP.
This carry on is disgraceful, and you hear quite a bit of it these days. Dont move out either as others are suggesting. She is responsible for bringing you into the world and then she expects you to pay her? Nonsense. You are entitled to stay there as I see it. Do a few chores alright; put the bins out, mow the lawn now and again etc. But paying her makes it seem as if you are a farm animal and just another little earner that she owns. It cheapens your relationship, and you as a human being.

Can't work out if this is sarcasm or not?

delikins

I don't think wanting to save to go on a J1 is unreasonable? What college kid doesn't want to have that experience and it's not like I'm asking my mom to pay for it !

I don't get any pocket money and haven't done since I was 14, I work part time for any money I need.