Banned from Soccer Forum

yabadabado

I was given an infraction by MarsBar and got a 3 month ban for "Personal Abuse" in the post which I feel is unwarranted.

I used 4 asterisks as a joke in a post .

I discussed it with the mod in question and queried the decision.

The 4 asterisks could be anything. I typed the 4 asterisks ,it wasn't a word that subsequently got censored by boards.

When i queried this ,the MOD said it was clear what my intentions were.Mod stated "The asterisks don't hide anything" yet there was no word there to start with.

Have I gotten a 3 month ban because a Mod thinks I may have implied something ? Is typing an asterisk a yellow card offense ?

Beasty

Apologies for not getting to this sooner, but I've been distracted by some real life issues in recent days

You responded to a Liverpool fan posting in the Man United Superthread

what a sad miserable ****

I cannot check whether you actually used a word that was masked by the swear filter or posted 4 x "*", but TBH that is irrelevant. You have been around long enough to understand how the swear filter works, and anyone reading that post would believe you either posted a swear word or intended to give the impression you had

That is clear abuse, warranting at the very least a yellow card (and possibly a higher sanction). In your case a yellow would have triggered a 3 month ban under the forum totting up process and the mod applied this sanction. As it was I believe the system did not allow the mod to subsequently apply a card to the same post, but it is clear that you should also have had a yellow card for that post. In terms of this season the lack of that yellow card makes no difference to future sanctions as you will be unable to access the forum until next season, when your "yellow card count" will be reset to zero.

Hence I am upholding the 3 month ban. You may ask for an Admin to review this decision if you wish

yabadabado

Beasty wrote: »

Apologies for not getting to this sooner, but I've been distracted by some real life issues in recent days

You responded to a Liverpool fan posting in the Man United Superthread
I cannot check whether you actually used a word that was masked by the swear filter or posted 4 x "*", but TBH that is irrelevant. You have been around long enough to understand how the swear filter works, and anyone reading that post would believe you either posted a swear word or intended to give the impression you had

That is clear abuse, warranting at the very least a yellow card (and possibly a higher sanction). In your case a yellow would have triggered a 3 month ban under the forum totting up process and the mod applied this sanction. As it was I believe the system did not allow the mod to subsequently apply a card to the same post, but it is clear that you should also have had a yellow card for that post. In terms of this season the lack of that yellow card makes no difference to future sanctions as you will be unable to access the forum until next season, when your "yellow card count" will be reset to zero.

Hence I am upholding the 3 month ban. You may ask for an Admin to review this decision if you wish

So I am getting a ban for something that I may have implied or the impression a sentence gave.The four asterisks can mean anything and surely its not my fault there is no why a mod can't check weather a swear word was posted or just four asterisks.
I presumed that could be checked considering its boards that censor a word after it is posted if it is deemed to be offensive.

Beasty

It cannot be checked - even if it could the card would stand as anyone reading the post can clearly see the intent. It is definitely your fault, for either using a swearword or thinking you could try to be "clever" and find a way to give the impression to everyone else that you were using such a word

Do you want an Admin to review this?

yabadabado

Beasty wrote: »

It cannot be checked - even if it could the card would stand as anyone reading the post can clearly see the intent. It is definitely your fault, for either using a swearword or thinking you could try to be "clever" and find a way to give the impression to everyone else that you were using such a word

Do you want an Admin to review this?

Might as well let an Admin review it.

Gordon

What exactly did you imply with those four asterisks?

yabadabado

Gordon wrote: »

What exactly did you imply with those four asterisks?

POST

Gordon

It's impossible that anyone would sense any hint of an implication of the word 'post' from the content surrounding that implication.

Also, why did you not write the word 'post' in that case?

yabadabado

Gordon wrote: »

It's impossible that anyone would sense any hint of an implication of the word 'post' from the content surrounding that implication.

Did you read the post I was replying to ?

Gordon

yabadabado wrote: »

Did you read the post I was replying to ?

This ****?

Quote:
Originally Posted by redzerdrog
Are ye nervous tonight lads? I don't think there is any need to be you will get the win you need Villa are terrible

Gordon

Yabadabado you ****, I have replied.

yabadabado

Gordon wrote: »

This ****?

Quote:
Originally Posted by redzerdrog
Are ye nervous tonight lads? I don't think there is any need to be you will get the win you need Villa are terrible

that's the one.

Should I report your post because there is 4 asterisks in it ?

yabadabado

Gordon wrote: »

Yabadabado you dude, I have replied.

Gordon

yabadabado wrote: »

that's the one.

Should I report your post because there is 4 asterisks in it ?

Are you saying that there is an implication contained within my post(s)?

yabadabado

Gordon wrote: »

Are you saying that there is an implication contained within my post(s)?

No far from it,I have no why of knowing but a mod seems to think "asterisks hide nothing".They must be a mind reader.

Gordon

Are you saying that if someone posted a reply to you and said: "yabadabado is a sad miserable ****" then you wouldn't think that they were trying to insult you?

yabadabado

Gordon wrote: »

Are you saying that if someone posted a reply to you and said: "yabadabado is a sad miserable ****" then you wouldn't think that they were trying to insult you?

no name/poster was mentioned in my post that was deemed to be offensive.The post above is a totally different scenario.

Gordon

I see, so you can see the implication around the asterisks in my post, extending the simple punctuation to a much bigger meaning, one with a negative connotation. I'm glad you see that implication, so I presume you can understand that asterisks mean more than simple asterisks.

Gordon

Why did you not just write 'post'?

yabadabado

Gordon wrote: »

I see, so you can see the implication around the asterisks in my post, extending the simple punctuation to a much bigger meaning, one with a negative connotation. I'm glad you see that implication, so I presume you can understand that asterisks mean more than simple asterisks.

What do the 4 asterisks in your post stand for ?

Gordon

I could have used the four asterisks in the post as a joke, the four asterisks could be anything.

yabadabado

Gordon wrote: »

I could have used the four asterisks in the post as a joke, the four asterisks could be anything.

That's exactly my point.

If you explained to me what was intended in your post and if it wasn't offensive, I would have no reason to believe otherwise.

Gordon

So you expect, in a thread that is probably running high with emotives and attempted banter, and teams against teams, and team rivalry, you expect to throw an ambiguous comment into the fray, and expect the person that you aimed this comment at to reply on thread and ask you what the true meaning behind your asterisks are. That's not cool IMO, it's inciting off topicness.

Anyway, for a third time, my question: why didn't you just write the word 'post'?

yabadabado

Gordon wrote: »

So you expect, in a thread that is probably running high with emotives and attempted banter, and teams against teams, and team rivalry, you expect to throw an ambiguous comment into the fray, and expect the person that you aimed this comment at to reply on thread and ask you what the true meaning behind your asterisks are. That's not cool IMO, it's inciting off topicness.

Anyway, for a third time, my question: why didn't you just write the word 'post'?

If someone was offended they can report or ask via PM and all would have been explained.
as I explained earlier (post 3),I presumed that it could be checked considering its boards that censor a word after it is posted if it is deemed to be offensive.
Once it was checked it would show it wasn't an offensive word.

Gordon

yabadabado wrote: »

If someone was offended they can report or ask via PM and all would have been explained.
as I explained earlier ,I presumed that it could be checked considering its boards that censor a word after it is posted if it is deemed to be offensive.
Once it was checked it would show it wasn't an offensive word.

1) someone may indeed have reported it
2) it doesn't matter if you wrote asterisks or a swear word
3) we are not checking what you wrote, and we cannot
4) my question, you are dodging it

yabadabado

Gordon wrote: »

1) someone may indeed have reported it
2) it doesn't matter if you write asterisks or a swear word
3) we are not checking what you wrote, and we cannot
4) my question, you are dodging it

why did I not write "post" I didn't think it would make much difference,when I thought it could be checked,obviously I was wrong.

Gordon

Do you always go around writing asterisks in place of random words because you don't think it makes a difference?

You said you did it to be funny, can you explain what is funny about replacing the word 'post' with four asterisks? Maybe if you explained the joke, I would understand.

yabadabado

Gordon wrote: »

Do you always go around writing asterisks in place of random words because you don't think it makes a difference?

You said you did it to be funny, can you explain what is funny about replacing the word 'post' with four asterisks? Maybe if you explained the joke, I would understand.

I never said I did it to be funny ,I said I did it as a joke.Everyone has a different sense of humour.

Gordon

yabadabado wrote: »

I never said I did it to be funny ,I said I did it as a joke.Everyone has a different sense of humour.

I see, and I apologise, in my world jokes are meant to be funny, or relatively funny. In that case, can you please explain the joke that was not intended to be funny. Thank you.

yabadabado

Gordon wrote: »

I see, and I apologise, in my world jokes are meant to be funny, or relatively funny. In that case, can you please explain the joke that was not intended to be funny. Thank you.

4 asterisks could mean/imply anything.To me that's funny.As i said everyone has a different sense of humor.

There are hundreds of thousands of four letter words in the English language and I was banned because a Mod thinks I implied or gave the impression of something I didn't.They said via PM the 4 asterisks could only be a swear word when clearly it doesn't.

Gordon

While you're writing out your explanation of the joke, I'll just make a comment on the length of time this has taken. So far, a moderator, category moderator and admin have looked into your ambiguous four asterisks. One can only imagine how off topic this would be if someone asked you to explain your meaning in that thread, one can only imagine the amount of off topicness and arguments that could have taken place. But instead, we spend a great deal of our time discussing it here. Hash tag I'm just saying.

Gordon

yabadabado wrote: »

4 asterisks could mean/imply anything.To me that's funny.As i said everyone has a different sense of humor.

There are hundreds of thousands of four letter words in the English language and I was banned because a Mod thinks I implied or gave the impression of something I didn't.

I see, so the thing that you find funny about your comment was that the four asterisks could mean anything, and indeed could imply anything. You liked the ambiguous implication around four asterisks, you found that funny. Ok

And you understand that everyone has different types of humour, so you would know that other people wouldn't find that funny, ok I'm glad you understand that.

Therefore you understand that some people would be offended by that comment, and some people would find it funny. I seem to be coming to a conclusion here.

yabadabado

Gordon wrote: »

While you're writing out your explanation of the joke, I'll just make a comment on the length of time this has taken. So far, a moderator, category moderator and admin have looked into your ambiguous four asterisks. One can only imagine how off topic this would be if someone asked you to explain your meaning in that thread, one can only imagine the amount of off topicness and arguments that could have taken place. But instead, we spend a great deal of our time discussing it here. Hash tag I'm just saying.

If someone found offense they can report it and all would be explained to the Mod.

Gordon

No that's not correct, because although you claim that you intended the word 'post' in place of those asterisks, you also intended that the asterisks were to mean and to imply 'anything'. Therefore you have shown me that your intention was to imply absolutely any four letter word. You explained that the joke in the post, that you found funny but not everyone else does, is all about the absolute ambiguity in it, because you could have written any four letter word. Four letter words such as 'dude' 'sh*t' 'cool' 'post' 'c*nt' etc etc.

yabadabado

Gordon wrote: »

I see, so the thing that you find funny about your comment was that the four asterisks could mean anything, and indeed could imply anything. You liked the ambiguous implication around four asterisks, you found that funny. Ok

And you understand that everyone has different types of humour, so you would know that other people wouldn't find that funny, ok I'm glad you understand that.

Therefore you understand that some people would be offended by that comment, and some people would find it funny. I seem to be coming to a conclusion here.

I don't see how anyone could be offended by it once it was explained.

Gordon

If it was explained that you implied any four letter word?

yabadabado

Gordon wrote: »

If it was explained that you implied any four letter word?

sad miserable post was the intended sentence ,someone has taken the four asterisks to mean something different.I intended it to be "post" but everyone can take different meaning .Are guessing games offensive ?

Gordon

yabadabado wrote: »

So I am getting a ban for something that I may have implied

You did imply, you said you did imply anything and everything.

yabadabado wrote: »

4 asterisks could mean/imply anything.To me that's funny.As i said everyone has a different sense of humor.

There are hundreds of thousands of four letter words in the English language and I was banned because a Mod thinks I implied or gave the impression of something I didn't.They said via PM the 4 asterisks could only be a swear word when clearly it doesn't.

yabadabado wrote: »

No far from it,I have no why of knowing but a mod seems to think "asterisks hide nothing".They must be a mind reader.

Not of your mind, but, yes, of other people's minds they do actually. They need to think and mull over whether or not other people are going to get annoyed at your post, your completely ambiguous and unfunny post, intentionally unfunny. You intentionally posted an unfunny ambiguous post in order to imply absolutely anything. Mods quite rightly will try to understand the minds of the reader to make a judgement on what is acceptable.

Sometimes 4 asterisks can mean anything, sometimes it can mean a four letter word, sometimes a four letter word is a positive thing, sometimes it's bad.

Gordon wrote: »

What exactly did you imply with those four asterisks?

yabadabado wrote: »

POST

You implied the word 'post'? But you told me that you implied anything and everything. In this long running thread you have backtracked, to cover up the fact that you posted what you posted in order to make a thinly veiled attack, hoping to stay within the rules under the cover of the censor.

yabadabado wrote: »

sad miserable post was the intended sentence ,someone has taken the four asterisks to mean something different.

Because you specifically intended it, you said it yourself.

I intended it to be "post" but everyone can take different meaning .Are guessing games offensive ?

No, guessing games are sometimes off-topic and trollish and inciteful of arguments. You should have written 'post' if you intended 'post' but you didn't intend it, you intended every four letter word in existence.

You expect a mod to PM you to ask you to explain what word you meant (which you admit is 'anything'), you expect others to report your post, you expect us to investigate this; otherwise you expect other people in the soccer forum to ask you on-thread what your ambiguity is hiding behind. You expect us to do the legwork around your commentary when your commentary was designed to be ambiguous and unfunny to many readers, and even provoke off-topicness and negativity. This is called trolling.

That post was trolling, classic trolling.

yabadabado wrote: »

Have I gotten a 3 month ban because a Mod thinks I may have implied something ?

No, you have accumulated plenty of warnings and bans in the past for this further incident to warrant a 3 month ban. This particular incident, given your history, definitely earns you a further ban, because you just can't converse with people while sticking to our rules. You have history, you know how the censor works, and you know how four letter words work:

yabadabado wrote: »

You are a pathetic **** and thats coming from someone who doesn't want O'Neill or Keane involved.

your comment after you received a red card for that post:

yabadabado wrote: »

Didn't take long to get the infraction but well worth it.

Your ban stays.

yabadabado

because I posted abusive posts in the past that is being used against me now,I already served a ban for them .
If I was trolling why wasn't I banned for that,I was banned for "personal abuse " yet after all this time it is now changed.

Gordon

yabadabado wrote: »

If I was trolling why wasn't I banned for that,I was banned for "personal abuse " yet after all this time it is now changed.

If you post ambiguous, negative comments, don't be surprised to find two people to see the ambiguous, negative comment have different implications.

Would you like me to cancel the ban and replace it with a three month ban for 'trolling and/or personal abuse'?

Beasty

yabadabado wrote: »

because I posted abusive posts in the past that is being used against me now,I already served a ban for them .
If I was trolling why wasn't I banned for that,I was banned for "personal abuse " yet after all this time it is now changed.

Sorry Gordon for coming back in here, but I would just point out that the user was banned for reaching the equivalent of 5 yellow cards during the season in the Soccer Forum. 5 yellows automatically triggers a minimum 3 month ban, as set out in the Forum Charter

yabadabado

Gordon wrote: »

If you post ambiguous, negative comments, don't be surprised to find two people to see the ambiguous, negative comment have different implications.

Would you like me to cancel the ban and replace it with a three month ban for 'trolling and/or personal abuse'?

I would rather you just cancelled the ban .I have never disagreed with a card/ban before and wouldn't have this time except I believe I am being very hard done by and I reckon the majority of poster's would agree.

yabadabado

Beasty wrote: »

Sorry Gordon for coming back in here, but I would just point out that the user was banned for reaching the equivalent of 5 yellow cards during the season in the Soccer Forum. 5 yellows automatically triggers a minimum 3 month ban, as set out in the Forum Charter

I have spent half the evening discussing my ban yet the person with the final say doesn't even know the reason I am banned.

Gordon

yabadabado wrote: »

I would rather you just cancelled the ban .I have never disagreed with a card/ban before and wouldn't have this time except I believe I am being very hard done by

You have proved that you intended absolutely every meaning, you stated that you implied anything with your post. Therefore it's impossible that you don't understand that you posted a contentious remark. And as you don't understand that, I imagine you may never get it, so you will probably see a permanent ban at some point if you keep this up. Hopefully you will be able to reflect on your ambiguity in your time off.

and I reckon the majority of poster's would agree.

I disagree, however, even if it were true, it has no significance on this dispute.

Your ban stays, this is resolved as I understand why you were banned, and I have the final say.