Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread Summer 2014 - Mod Warning post #6893

Agent Coulson

DrumSteve wrote: »

The interviewer sounds like a bollix.

It was an interview in Barcelona for 888 Poker who he signed a deal with.

It was in front of the Spain football media so I think he did very well to be honest being bombarded with those questions.

Knex*

Says a lot about his desire and work rate

I kill myself to score goals; they do it so easily

Rayne Wooney

donfers wrote: »

How did Moreno play against Benfica? Did he look better/worse than Siqiera? I know it's just one game but it's a big game and I didn't see it. Apparently those two and Ryan Bertrand are our left back targets according to James Pearce at the Liverpool Echo - not sure why we're swerving Cole unless he's after monster wages

He was shocking defensively at times and okay when attacking, he has been a decent left back this season with potential, serious lol at whatever poster said he is on another level to Shaw earlier though. Complete garbage

If he was Chelsea, Liverpool and United wouldn't have Shaw first choice, the times reported that Chelsea have given up on Shaw as Manchester is his likely destination now and that they will try get Moreno instead

Get him for under 18 million and it's a decent buy, his release clause is £25m which is far too much IMO but Spanish release clauses are strange and you don't normally have to pay the amount.

Chelsea will probably keep upping their bid though and justify it with Cole leaving. It depends how deep Liverpool's pockets are this summer but you could get better left backs for 20 million. The left back Rodriguez off Wolfsburg, Sandro from Porto and Jung from Eintracht Frankfurt are all at least at Moreno's level with similar potential.

Boom_Bap

I wouldn't look too much at Moreno's defensive display last night, it was a siege for most of the game and the Benfica front line of 6 where a handful.
The entire backline was all over the place diving in front of shots.

Attacking wise, he was a threat, should have won the game for them in normal time as well.

The Benfica left back Siqueria impressed me alot though.

But the star of the show last night was Ratikik (sp?), the guy was box to box and side to side, and unbelieveable passing and workrate.

Strongbow10

Boom_Bap wrote: »

I wouldn't look too much at Moreno's defensive display last night, it was a siege for most of the game and the Benfica front line of 6 where a handful.
The entire backline was all over the place diving in front of shots.

Attacking wise, he was a threat, should have won the game for them in normal time as well.

The Benfica left back Siqueria impressed me alot though.

But the star of the show last night was Ratikik (sp?), the guy was box to box and side to side, and unbelieveable passing and workrate.

Rakitic would be a cheaper but better option than Lallana aswell. Rakitic has been impressive all season he oozes class.

ASOT

Boom_Bap wrote: »

I wouldn't look too much at Moreno's defensive display last night, it was a siege for most of the game and the Benfica front line of 6 where a handful.
The entire backline was all over the place diving in front of shots.

Attacking wise, he was a threat, should have won the game for them in normal time as well.

The Benfica left back Siqueria impressed me alot though.

But the star of the show last night was Ratikik (sp?), the guy was box to box and side to side, and unbelieveable passing and workrate.

Yeah Rakitic is a quality footballer, seems to be off to Madrid next season!

Is it August yet?

brevity

rarnes1 wrote: »

Is it August yet?

NOPE!

http://www.caughtoffside.com/2014/05/14/exclusive-liverpool-line-up-60m-bid-for-psg-striker-edinson-cavani-as-luis-suarez-replacement/

livinginkorea

This time of the year kills me...expect me to drift in and out

Nuri Sahin

* Puts away Ade's transfer list * :pac:

On Moreno, signing him as with Shaw would be effectively sorting out your LB position for the next 5-10 years. Moreno is better going forward, but Shaw trumps him when it comes to defending. That's not say they're poor defending or attacking respectively. IMO, Chelsea will have a huge say on both players future if they're indeed interested.

edit - ditto Porto's Alex Sandro too.

mike65

I read elsewhere that Mr and Mrs Suarez have enrolled their eldest daughter in a local school, if that doesn't say committed nothing does!

Fescue

mike65 wrote: »

I read elsewhere that Mr and Mrs Suarez have enrolled their eldest daughter in a local school, if that doesn't say committed nothing does!

There are rumours flying about Suarez has renewed his car tax for the year.

machiavellianme

Fescue wrote: »

There are rumours flying about Suarez has renewed his car tax for the year.

Thank god cos the 3 month one would be a killer!

Rayne Wooney

Nuri Sahin wrote: »

* Puts away Ade's transfer list * :pac:

On Moreno, signing him as with Shaw would be effectively sorting out your LB position for the next 5-10 years. Moreno is better going forward, but Shaw trumps him when it comes to defending. That's not say they're poor defending or attacking respectively. IMO, Chelsea will have a huge say on both players future if they're indeed interested.

edit - ditto Porto's Alex Sandro too.

Shaw beats Moreno going forward as well if we're being accurate here, both teams like attacking full backs, I wouldn't be surprised if Shaw's stats are far better possibly twice as good as Moreno's based on this season

I like Moreno and wanted him at United when Shaw was nailed on for Chelsea but now that he seems available it's a no brainer.

Anything over 20 million, if I was a Liverpool supporter, I'd want Rodgers to walk away from the deal. Full back positions are the easiest to fill on the pitch and shouldn't take up 1/3rd of a budget, assuming the reported 60 million budget is correct.

mike65

mike65 wrote: »

I read elsewhere that Mr and Mrs Suarez have enrolled their eldest daughter in a local school, if that doesn't say committed nothing does!

You read that in the comments section of the same article I read -

Been looking online since earlier today and can't find any reference to it....

Yes...

I'm bored!

:-)

Utopia Parkway

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Shaw beats Moreno going forward as well if we're being accurate here, both teams like attacking full backs, I wouldn't be surprised if Shaw's stats are far better possibly twice as good as Moreno's based on this season

Shaw had 1 assist this season in 35 games. Clyne on the other side had 4 assists in 20 starts (and 5 as sub).

Not saying that Shaw doesn't have a lot of potential but he's a bit away yet from being the finished article. No shame in that given his age.

mike65

Fieldog wrote: »

You read that in the comments section of the same article I read -

Been looking online since earlier today and can't find any reference to it....

Yes...

I'm bored!

:-)

That originated in an article in the Times, which some blog picked up on (that's where I saw it)

Rayne Wooney

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Shaw had 1 assist this season in 35 games. Clyne on the other side had 4 assists in 20 starts (and 5 as sub).

Not saying that Shaw doesn't have a lot of potential but he's a bit away yet from being the finished article. No shame in that given his age.

Southampton play a system that generally lets their left sided player float across the pitch whether it be Lallana, Rodriguez or whoever. Ward Prowse has been playing as a right winger and a full back needs a wide player to increase attacking output.

Simplistic assist stats need more context, Shaw created more chances (and was better defensively than Clyne) despite not always having a true left winger to feed off of.

Gerrard had 4 more assists than Ozil this season yet not many will argue that Gerrard is a better creative force than Ozil who is arguably the most creative player in the world over the past 3/4 years

Super-Rush

Got my jersey, best €35 ever.

Nuri Sahin

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Shaw beats Moreno going forward as well if we're being accurate here, both teams like attacking full backs, I wouldn't be surprised if Shaw's stats are far better possibly twice as good as Moreno's based on this season

I like Moreno and wanted him at United when Shaw was nailed on for Chelsea but now that he seems available it's a no brainer.

Anything over 20 million, if I was a Liverpool supporter, I'd want Rodgers to walk away from the deal. Full back positions are the easiest to fill on the pitch and shouldn't take up 1/3rd of a budget, assuming the reported 60 million budget is correct.

Accurate? Rodgers to walk away from an area that needs strengthening? Right. I'll agree to disagree on both.

I'd look up the stats myself, but am not arsed as I am on the phone at the moment, but please throw up the stats of their respective season if you wish. Whoscored.com should have them available.

To say Rodgers should walk away from bringing in a top quality full back is laughable as it is mind boggling. Sure, then what was the need for Irwin, Evra (at his peak), Neville, etc you might as well say.

Full backs are a key component of how Liverpool are set up. I'd have Shaw myself because I do like my full backs being able to defend first and foremost, especially when factoring in how exposed Liverpool's CB pairings have been this past year, but there's really not much in it, but for price (10-15M difference) and a 3 years difference in age.

We have a headless chicken at RB for large spells of last season and who has offered little to nowt over the past 3 years in my eyes. We have also have a LB who seems to be stuck within the disc reader part of his PS4 for the last 8 months. Then there is a RB covering at LB who did alright, but can be improved upon by a natural LB for sure.

I'd also put forward that Shaw's playing with better players, most certainly in defense and midfield which helps. Probably in regards to keeper too. Sevilla winning the Europa League does nothing to dispel that for me.

brevity

Nuri Sahin wrote: »

We have also have a LB who seems to be stuck within the disc reader part of his PS4 for the last 8 months.

Ha ha ha!

"Reports coming in that Enrique will miss the start of next season with severe carpal tunnel syndrome"

Vicxas

Fescue wrote: »

There are rumours flying about Suarez has renewed his car tax for the year.

Best piece of business of the summer

Rayne Wooney

Nuri Sahin wrote: »

Accurate? Rodgers to walk away from an area that needs strengthening? Right. I'll agree to disagree on both.

I'd look up the stats myself, but am not arsed as I am on the phone at the moment, but please throw up the stats of their respective season if you wish. Whoscored.com should have them available.

To say Rodgers should walk away from bringing in a top quality full back is laughable as it is mind boggling. Sure, then what was the need for Irwin, Evra (at his peak), Neville, etc you might as well say.

Full backs are a key component of how Liverpool are set up. I'd have Shaw myself because I do like my full backs being able to defend first and foremost, especially when factoring in how exposed Liverpool's CB pairings have been this past year, but there's really not much in it, but for price (10-15M difference) and a 3 years difference in age.

We have a headless chicken at RB for large spells of last season and who has offered little to nowt over the past 3 years in my eyes. We have also have a LB who seems to be stuck within the disc reader part of his PS4 for the last 8 months. Then there is a RB covering at LB who did alright, but can be improved upon by a natural LB for sure.

I'd also put forward that Shaw's playing with better players, most certainly in defense and midfield which helps. Probably in regards to keeper too. Sevilla winning the Europa League does nothing to dispel that for me.

I said walk away from a deal that involves paying over 20 million for someone who isn't worth it from what I've seem, if Liverpool or any team can't find a player of similar age and standard to Moreno who doesn't cost over 20 million you'd have to question the club's scouting ability.

The centre backs of each team are probably of similar quality bar Lovren who's a bit ahead, it's a toss up between the keepers really. A midfield of Rakitic and Mbia is at least as good as Wanyama and Cork and most would argue better.

Vinz Mesrine

How did this escape people's attentions? Dan Agger signs for a new club.

Nuri Sahin

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

I said walk away from a deal that involves paying over 20 million for someone who isn't worth it from what I've seem, if Liverpool or any team can't find a player of similar age and standard to Moreno who doesn't cost over 20 million you'd have to question the club's scouting ability.

The centre backs of each team are probably of similar quality bar Lovren who's a bit ahead, it's a toss up between the keepers really. A midfield of Rakitic and Mbia is at least as good as Wanyama and Cork and most would argue better.

But again, even if it goes up to 20-25M, it's for a player who possesses the talent of who should see 5-10 years production from. It's worth every penny.

- - - - - - - - Boruc - - - - - - - -

Clyne - - Fonte - - Lovern - - Shaw

- - - - Cork - - - Schneiderlin - -

- - - - - - - Lallana - - - - - - -

Southampton tend to mix up the midfield opting for 3 or 5 man midfields, so I ignored the other two players, though sometimes Jay Rodriguez plays LM I've noticed every now and again and he's performed very well this season where ever he's featured. Steven Davies does his role well on the RW/RM.

vs.

- - - - - - - - Beto

Coke - - Pareja - - Fazio - - Moreno

- - - - - Carrico - - M'Bia - - - - -

- - - - - - - - - Rakitic - - - - - -

Same could be said tactically of Sevilla with Vitolo and Reyes out wide, however, both are terrible and nobody can convince me otherwise, so if I included them, that would work in my advantage. Beto is legit insane and I have zero faith in him. Fazio is good, and I'd have him ahead of Fonte, probably. Pareja, meh. Wreckless in a word. Coke has done well this season, but Clyne is better than him for me. Carrico, M'Bia and Rakitic are very good though, but in comparison to Schneiderlin, Cork and Lallana (Waynama is a nice option to have from the bench too!).. well, Schneiderlin is very much underrated or maybe a better word is more unknown compared to those that play alongside him. Lallana is clearly a very talented player, but as I've said previously last night, I'd opt for Rakatic more down to the fact I've seen him more going back to when he was a youngster for Schalke. I don't have much of an opinion on Jack Cork truth be told. I usually go out of my way to watch a player or few in any given game, but I have never done so for him. Seems economical on the ball. As for M'Bia, he's been superb.

Overall, I'd opt for Southampton's defense and midfield combined, and probably just Southampton's defense on it's own which backs up my point on how Shaw has been quite fortunate to be playing alongside who he has this season. Moreno on the other hand has Fazio in defense to call upon and that's about it. Vitolo doesn't track back much if at all unlike Lallana and Rodriguez, certainly not yesterday or the games I've seen this season, likewise Reyes when they switch wings.

At the end of the day, for their age bracket and the position they play in, they're worth the money one has to spend to acquire them. More than likely Chelsea will have their say on the matter I reckon.

Nuri Sahin

Forgot to post these links:

http://www.whoscored.com/Players/118244/Show/Luke-Shaw

http://www.whoscored.com/Players/113275/Show/Alberto-Moreno

I should also add that I'd be happy with non-WWE Ricardo Rodriguez and Alex Sandro if Liverpool miss out either Moreno or Shaw. United should focus on signing Schmelzer.

klose

All this talk of left backs is great but a right back is just as urgent really, if johnson and enrique are the starrting full backs next year it will be a long season. I would bin both and hold into kelly/wisdom/flanno and buy two new full backs hopefully.

Utopia Parkway

klose wrote: »

All this talk of left backs is great but a right back is just as urgent really, if johnson and enrique are the starrting full backs next year it will be a long season. I would bin both and hold into kelly/wisdom/flanno and buy two new full backs hopefully.

I'm starting to think they are not planning to replace Johnson. This Summer at least. His name hasn't cropped up at all in the last few days of players who might be leaving the club. Seems like we will be getting in a left-back and a centre-back.

Knex*

Up until Christmas, Schneiderlin was the player I most wanted from Southampton. He might be behind Lallana and Shaw now, but not by much at all.

Think Lucas pre injury, and I honestly think he could have that impact for us.

mike65

Pity FSG can't just buy Soton, would make life much easier.