Recommend a G.993.5 / G.Vectoring VDSL Modem

KeRbDoG

Hi folks,
Lets say someone wanted to replace their Eircom eFibre modem/router, what would people suggest as a replacement?

While folks know they can just use their Eircom F1000 as a modem by putting it in bridge mode, I'd be interested in know what VDSL modems are out there that support G.993.5 / G.Vectoring standard for VDSL.

Looking forward to suggestions for modem/router (wireless etc) options, and also just modems.

ED E

Draytek Vigor 28xx series would be one of the better options. Not cheap though.

Fritzbox 77?? Is compatible but not performing well with vectoring it seems.

KeRbDoG

After a quick browse, Draytek looks good but those series of modem/routers are overkill in terms of features.

Turns out they make a modem only unit, the Draytek Vigor 130. In the latest firmware release it now supports G.993.5/G.Vector. Its just a modem which will be a slave to my router.
Will report back on how it goes when it turns up. It might make no difference in comparison to the Eircom supplied unit.

ED E

Good stuff. Will be interesting to see how it does.

A poster in another thread linked to a forum suggesting that the F1000 is actually a decent performer, at least on long lines.

KeRbDoG

ED E wrote: »

Good stuff. Will be interesting to see how it does.

A poster in another thread linked to a forum suggesting that the F1000 is actually a decent performer, at least on long lines.

Saw that as well during a Google search. Was a guy in the UK hacking the firmware right?

Will see how it goes, the modem was cheaper than a box of 300m outdoor shielded CAT5 to rerun the phone line to the pole

AlanS181824

Any update?

I'd love to be able to use my own router with Vodafone Fibre, but getting the username and password off them probably won't be easy.

Nonoperational

The username is the serial number @vfiefttc.ie and the password is broadband. No problems, loads of people are using other routers and have the vodafone one in bridge mode. I am using a TP-Link Archer C7 and I get transfer rates of around 300 Mbit/s to my NAS. Great job.

Doodah7

Sorry if this is a completely stupid noob question: I assume there is no issue with using an Apple Time Capsule/Airport Express with the Vodafone supplied modem router being set in bridge mode?

KeRbDoG

AlanS181824 wrote: »

Any update?

Only had 10min to tinker around with it when it arrived. It worked, sync'd but only at 25Mbps down instead of my usual 30Mbps. Will need a little more time to see if vectoring is working right. Could just be down to the latest firmware not implementing vectoring 100% correct or that the chip they use isn't as good as the Zyxel f1000 Will report back when I tinker more. I see a customer support case being opened with Draytek real soon :cool:

AlanS181824

Nonoperational wrote: »

The username is the serial number @vfiefttc.ie and the password is broadband. No problems, loads of people are using other routers and have the vodafone one in bridge mode. I am using a TP-Link Archer C7 and I get transfer rates of around 300 Mbit/s to my NAS. Great job.

The HG568c Serial Number or what?

So I can use my own modem on it's own with the Vodafone one as a modem?

AlanS181824

KeRbDoG wrote: »

Only had 10min to tinker around with it when it arrived. It worked, sync'd but only at 25Mbps down instead of my usual 30Mbps. Will need a little more time to see if vectoring is working right. Could just be down to the latest firmware not implementing vectoring 100% correct or that the chip they use isn't as good as the Zyxel f1000 Will report back when I tinker more. I see a customer support case being opened with Draytek real soon :cool:

I sync at 100Mb so I'll have to get a good router I suppose.

Thanks all for the update.

bluemachaveli

AlanS181824 wrote: »

The HG568c Serial Number or what?

So I can use my own modem on it's own with the Vodafone one as a modem?

Ya it's the serial number from the modem, eg Qxxxxxxxxxx@vfiefttc.ie
Any cable modem should work fine with the Vodafone modem bridged into it.

Nonoperational

AlanS181824 wrote: »

The HG568c Serial Number or what?

So I can use my own modem on it's own with the Vodafone one as a modem?

Yep. If you play around with the inspect element trick that allows you to see max attainable you can get your username too.

Ya you can use any modem, router etc you like it just has to be compliant with the standards eircom use. Best thing is to put the Vodafone modem in bridge mode and use a good router.

Nonoperational

tallpaul wrote: »

Sorry if this is a completely stupid noob question: I assume there is no issue with using an Apple Time Capsule/Airport Express with the Vodafone supplied modem router being set in bridge mode?

No prob.

AlanS181824

Nonoperational wrote: »

Yep. If you play around with the inspect element trick that allows you to see max attainable you can get your username too.

Ya you can use any modem, router etc you like it just has to be compliant with the standards eircom use. Best thing is to put the Vodafone modem in bridge mode and use a good router.

I see!
Sorry for all the questions, do you know where do inspect on the page to find the username?
Thanks

Nonoperational

I can't remember and I don't have time to check now because I need to manually connect to it with an ethernet cable because it's in bridge mode so can't log in over wifi. I'll have a look when I can.

KeRbDoG

AlanS181824 wrote: »

I sync at 100Mb so I'll have to get a good router I suppose.

Each to their own - another reason for me to use a non-ISP provided device is that I always have a feeling that the ISP has a backdoor into the device they provide which they are entitled to do since the equipment is theirs.

Anywho, will update later on should the device get better.

Note, if your discussing how to get your ISP provided device into bridge mode, please open a new thread related.

ED E

KeRbDoG wrote: »

Each to their own - another reason for me to use a non-ISP provided device is that I always have a feeling that the ISP has a backdoor into the device they provide which they are entitled to do since the equipment is theirs.

Its not a backdoor, its a full management system. That doesnt mean they see you logging into "http:www.dirtywebsitofsomesort.com", just allows them to update your modem remotely and assist. Even if you dont use their gear, you still have to trust your ISP unless you VPN everything.

KeRbDoG

ED E wrote: »

Its not a backdoor, its a full management system. That doesnt mean they see you logging into "http:www.dirtywebsitofsomesort.com", just allows them to update your modem remotely and assist. Even if you dont use their gear, you still have to trust your ISP unless you VPN everything.

Believe what you/I will - I don't like having a device on my network which others can manage/login to. Each to their own etc. etc.

ED E

KeRbDoG wrote: »

Believe what you/I will - I don't like having a device on my network which others can manage/login to. Each to their own etc. etc.

I have UPC firmly on the outside of my LAN, theyd have to breach my firewall to get in. That said, all my traffic to the net goes through them so its just something to be mindful of.

AlanS181824

I was looking at the log on the Vodafone modem and there's a part that says this:
2010-01-01 00:02:05 User Management cms 1 Change management server configuration(User:F83DFFQ8Y7NA9014525293, ConnectRequestUser:F83DFF-HG658c-Q8000A9430000493, ConnectRequestPort:8081).
2010-01-01 00:02:02 User Management cms 1 Change management server configuration(User:vodafone, ConnectRequestUser:F83DFF-HG658c-Q8Y7NA0000900093, ConnectRequestPort:8081).
Just wondering would any of that be the username?
(Obviously I changed some of it just in case hence the many 0's :P )

KeRbDoG

Tin foil hat time!

Vico1612

AlanS181824 wrote: »

I was looking at the log on the Vodafone modem and there's a part that says this:
2010-01-01 00:02:05 User Management cms 1 Change management server configuration(User:F83DFFQ8Y7NA9014525293, ConnectRequestUser:F83DFF-HG658c-Q8000A9430000493, ConnectRequestPort:8081).
2010-01-01 00:02:02 User Management cms 1 Change management server configuration(User:vodafone, ConnectRequestUser:F83DFF-HG658c-Q8Y7NA0000900093, ConnectRequestPort:8081).
Just wondering would any of that be the username?
(Obviously I changed some of it just in case hence the many 0's :P )

I see the username [ without having to play around with the inspect stuff / software version V100R001C172B214] : go to BASIC , then WAN : select the PTM_TR069_VOIP_INTERNET_R_VID_10 connection : you should see your username below

AlanS181824

Vico1612 wrote: »

I see the username [ without having to play around with the inspect stuff / software version V100R001C172B214] : go to BASIC , then WAN : select the PTM_TR069_VOIP_INTERNET_R_VID_10 connection : you should see your username below

Thanks!

I actually found that one my own from looking around, the password shows only as ****** and I can't interact with it.

Does anyone know how I can find my password?

Vico1612

AlanS181824 wrote: »

Thanks!

I actually found that one my own from looking around, the password shows only as ****** and I can't interact with it.

Does anyone know how I can find my password?

broadband

KeRbDoG

Due to what I would consider bad customer support from DrayTek.co.uk, I don't think I will be buying/suggesting to others any DrayTek devices anytime soon for home or professional use.
Up and onwards

Nonoperational

AlanS181824 wrote: »

Thanks!

I actually found that one my own from looking around, the password shows only as ****** and I can't interact with it.

Does anyone know how I can find my password?

Nonoperational wrote: »

The username is the serial number @vfiefttc.ie and the password is broadband. No problems, loads of people are using other routers and have the vodafone one in bridge mode. I am using a TP-Link Archer C7 and I get transfer rates of around 300 Mbit/s to my NAS. Great job.

I don't mean to be a killjoy, but the Eircom and Vodafone supplied routers provide the best solution at the moment. Buying 3rd party modems is just wasting money. Buying a 3rd party router and putting the ISP box in bridge mode is the only upgrade worth thinking about.

Deagol

Nonoperational wrote: »

I don't mean to be a killjoy, but the Eircom and Vodafone supplied routers provide the best solution at the moment. Buying 3rd party modems is just wasting money. Buying a 3rd party router and putting the ISP box in bridge mode is the only upgrade worth thinking about.

As long as you're happy with Eircom / Vodafone having backdoor access to your network....

Nonoperational

Deagol wrote: »

As long as you're happy with Eircom / Vodafone having backdoor access to your network....

And what exactly are they going to do? Do you think there's some guy in Eircom sitting down snooping away for kicks?


So tell me, what exactly do they have access to?

Bog Standard User

Nonoperational wrote: »

And what exactly are they going to do? Do you think there's some guy in Eircom sitting down snooping away for kicks?


So tell me, what exactly do they have access to?

all they can do is configure you modem... thats it. everything is logged so if any eircom employee does malicious things to your modem they will be caught as it is all logged.

Nonoperational

Bog Standard User wrote: »

all they can do is configure you modem... thats it. everything is logged so if any eircom employee does malicious things to your modem they will be caught as it is all logged.

Yep. I just don't like the implications that they can go snooping around your laptop etc. It's ridiculous.

Deagol

Nonoperational wrote: »

Yep. I just don't like the implications that they can go snooping around your laptop etc. It's ridiculous.

Exactly why is it ridiculous? Eircom agents logged onto my router and locked me out of it by changing the password and then refused to tell me the password.

What evidence have you that someone can't access the internal network 'for kicks'? Or are you just making it up because it suits you to believe that?

Nonoperational

I'm perfectly happy with my network security thanks. Bad luck with that highly unusual experience wit eircom.

Just to let you know, UPC have access to your modem too so it's not restricted to the VDSL providers. I had to call them about a line fault in the area at Christmas and the rep on the other side knew the uptime on my modem and could see it dropping off the network.

KeRbDoG

Mods, can this post be locked - a lot of tin foil hat talk going on that isn't really related to my original post

KeRbDoG

KeRbDoG wrote: »

Mods, can this post be locked - a lot of tin foil hat talk going on that isn't really related to my original post

Agreed.

I work in a company where I have potential access to a lot of sensitive corporate data. I have no interest in accessing it and certainly wouldn't put my job on the line to take a peek at it. I doubt that Eircom/Vodafone/UPC/whoever have access to the LAN side, but even if they do it's highly unlikely that the CSRs would be bothered to look, or risk their job to do so.

Nonoperational

Karsini wrote: »

Just to let you know, UPC have access to your modem too so it's not restricted to the VDSL providers. I had to call them about a line fault in the area at Christmas and the rep on the other side knew the uptime on my modem and could see it dropping off the network.

Sounds reasonable...

Deagol

KeRbDoG wrote: »

Mods, can this post be locked - a lot of tin foil hat talk going on that isn't really related to my original post

In fairness, it was you who mentioned backdoors first :P

Each to their own - another reason for me to use a non-ISP provided device is that I always have a feeling that the ISP has a backdoor into the device they provide which they are entitled to do since the equipment is theirs.

gramo

Morning everyone,

I just foot my eircom efiber install finished and everything seems great. I got the tv package aswell so I'm syncing at 100mb and getting 80Mb download speeds hardwired into there router with the evision tv turned on.

However I used to be a upc customer and had a great setup in my house. I had there Cisco router's wifi and dhcp turned off and all the information was handed to my netgear wndr3800, can I still do this with eircoms router? The evision box is connected to the router with a network cable but I can't find if it's getting an IP address.

Has anyone got a similar setup to mine and maybe can offer some advise.?

gramo

Anyone here today? So I need to have eircom's router pass all data onto my netgear router and let it do all my routing..

swoofer

put it in bridge mode ie the eircom

Deagol

Ah geez, could ya at least give the poor fella some idea what bridge mode is and how to access it.... since you started the technical details that is...

swoofer

I did tell him in the proper thread, look a bit closer.

gramo

Lads I know what bridge mode is and all that stuff lol. But there's two sections that you can change to bridge mode. The vdsl side and the wan side. When I change the top one my netgear receives the external IP of eircom but It still doesn't give internet access and my laptop connected to my netgear can't ping the 192.168.1.254 of the eircom router.

In bridge mode you won't be able to ping the Eircom modem as it is no longer providing a LAN interface.

Bridging on the WAN side would feed a public IP to your router via DHCP. Bridging on the VDSL side would require you to enter the PPPoE credentials and VLAN ID on your router to establish a connection.

gramo

Karsini wrote: »

In bridge mode you won't be able to ping the Eircom modem as it is no longer providing a LAN interface.

Bridging on the WAN side would feed a public IP to your router via DHCP. Bridging on the VDSL side would require you to enter the PPPoE credentials and VLAN ID on your router to establish a connection.

So I'm presuming everyone is bridging the WAN side? It's the VDSL bridging that pushed the public ip to my router, are the PPPoE credentials and VLAN ID eircom@eircom.net and broadband1?

Thanks for the fast reply.

gramo

gramo wrote: »

So I'm presuming everyone is bridging the WAN side? It's the VDSL bridging that pushed the public ip to my router, are the PPPoE credentials and VLAN ID eircom@eircom.net and broadband1?

Thanks for the fast reply.

The PPPoE username and password are as what you say. The VLAN ID is 10 I believe. Your router will have to support PPPoE over PTM as opposed to the PPPoE over ATM as used for ADSL connections.

gramo

Karsini wrote: »

The PPPoE username and password are as what you say. The VLAN ID is 10 I believe. Your router will have to support PPPoE over PTM as opposed to the PPPoE over ATM as used for ADSL connections.

Is everyone bridging WAN side? Letting there own router take the external IP. Don't think my netgear has any option for VLAN ID.