New young parents who didn't go to college. Details inside!

Adamantium

The thread about being too attached to your local area, made me think about my own area, and the differences between young people who went to college and does that didn't, I'm 22. My friend and I came to the anecdotal conclusion, that people who didn't go to college all seem to be having children in what is a very rural area much like what the LadyLucinda said in the other thread.

I know only one of my college mates who has a child in the whole 4 years we were there, and I'd a large social circle. The difference is pretty startling, they're having them really young at "home"

My question is has anybody else noticed it to?
It was the wasters and glorylords in school who have life come back to bite them in the arse, while everybody else under their thumb at the time is now exploring free so to speak. The waster thought they were going to live forever. Tend to hook with the first gf out of a marriage of convenience.:pac:

Now PLEASE note, I'm generalising here saying college is what makes a person, that's be very wrong of me. So don't look for a row.
A child isn't a bad thing either. I love children, just not at 18,19, younger than that.

But I think the people in college are more disciplined or have more to lose/to stake?

Anyone else notice this?

They're giving STI and contraception talks in the wrong place! :pac:

jamo2oo9

What an utter complete load of shíte

The Backwards Man

Adamantium wrote: »

Now PLEASE note, I'm generalising here

Yes. Yes you are.:)

I feel cheated

Chucken

OP, are you calling people who have children "wasters"?

I'm genuinely confused here!

suicide_circus

What college was this you went to?

Arthur Beesley

Adamantium wrote: »

The thread about being too attached to your local area, made me think about my own area, and the differences between young people who went to college and does that didn't, I'm 22. My friend and I came to the anecdotal conclusion, that people who didn't go to college all seem to be having children in what is a very rural area much like what the LadyLucinda said in the other thread.

I know only one of my college mates who has a child in the whole 4 years we were there, and I'd a large social circle. The difference is pretty startling, they're having them really young at "home"

My question is has anybody else noticed it to?
It was the wasters and glorylords in school who have life come back to bite them in the arse, while everybody else under their thumb at the time is now exploring free so to speak. The waster thought they were going to live forever. Tend to hook with the first gf out of a marraige of convenience.:pac:

Now PLEASE note, I'm generalising here saying college is what g a person, that's be very wrong of me. So don't look for a row.
A child isn't a bad thing either. I love children, just not at 18,19, younger than that.

But I think the people in college are more disciplined or have more to lose/to stake?

Anyone else notice this?

They're giving STI and contraception talks in the wrong place! :pac:

Doesn't should like ANY US school reunion type film / TV episode that I have ever seen. Oh wait....

Duckworth_Luas

So how do I make a baby? Where are the details?

Adamantium

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

So how do I make a baby? Where are the details?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7rxuuIOxhg

Lapin

So by not going to college, you must be a waster?

What a wanker.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

What utter balderdash!

Temptamperu

Chucken wrote: »

OP, are you calling people who have children "wasters"?

I'm genuinely confused here!

you should check out tallaght for your answer :pac:

Adamantium

Lapin wrote: »

So by not going to college, you must be a waster?

What a wanker.

You seem ok.

h2005

Maybe women find you to be a bit of a knob?

delthedriver

Adamantium wrote: »

The thread about being too attached to your local area, made me think about my own area, and the differences between young people who went to college and does that didn't, I'm 22. My friend and I came to the anecdotal conclusion, that people who didn't go to college all seem to be having children in what is a very rural area much like what the LadyLucinda said in the other thread.

I know only one of my college mates who has a child in the whole 4 years we were there, and I'd a large social circle. The difference is pretty startling, they're having them really young at "home"

My question is has anybody else noticed it to?
It was the wasters and glorylords in school who have life come back to bite them in the arse, while everybody else under their thumb at the time is now exploring free so to speak. The waster thought they were going to live forever. Tend to hook with the first gf out of a marraige of convenience.:pac:

Now PLEASE note, I'm generalising here saying college is what g a person, that's be very wrong of me. So don't look for a row.
A child isn't a bad thing either. I love children, just not at 18,19, younger than that.

But I think the people in college are more disciplined or have more to lose/to stake?

Anyone else notice this?

They're giving STI and contraception talks in the wrong place! :pac:

Interesting points OP.


Certainly if one walks down the main street of any town in Ireland one will inevitably see girls 18- 23 pushing infants in prams.


To call them wasters may seem a bit harsh however?


Perhaps they may not be as dim as one may think.


Inevitably they are enjoying the benefit of free housing, weekly allowance of €200+( tax free) , Childrens Allowance, Free health care.............


No doubt the Baby Daddy also makes some sort of financial contribution.


They are invariably dolled up pushing their prams like a herd down the street, smoking their brains out, clip clopping along in the latest fashions , and barking into their iphones. After cappuccinos with the girls they disperse, get into their Nissan Micras , Toyota Yaris, and head to the school to collect Britney or Jamie


How many twenty somethings in College are enjoying such a lifestyle of benefits?


I wonder is it a lifestyle choice between being a burden on society or giving something to society?


OP, you may have started a very interesting thread here!!!!!

Vito Corleone

I only know of one person in college (from my area) with a child and I don't really know them that well. Out of the people who didn't go to college, well yeah, a good few of them have children now.

maguic24

Not all of us are privileged enough to go college. After completing an undergrad a few years back, I now realise that it is not the be all and end all!! Some people go to college and then spend the rest of their life working in a complete different sector.

So what, you went to college, good for you but don't look down on others who choose not to go to college or simply can't because of their circumstances!!

Adamantium

h2005 wrote: »

Maybe women find you to be a bit of a knob?

If you want to call me a knob, just say it, instead of a just a "bit of a knob"

You do realise that a child belongs to the dad as well. I suppose men find to be a bit of a knob too, for saying that too.

h2005

Adamantium wrote: »

If you want to call me a knob, just say it, instead of a just a "bit of a knob"

You do realise that a child belongs to the dad as well. I suppose men find to be a bit of a knob too, for saying that too.

I didn't call you anything just gave you a hypotheses although I think it may be a correct one.

fineso.mom

I'm assuming it wasn't English you studied in college. ?

Adamantium

delthedriver wrote: »

To call them wasters may seem a bit harsh however?


Perhaps they may not be as dim as one may think.

I agree, when I used to know in school them that was the vibe they received and the label they got from teachers and other students. I wonder was it self fufilling in a way.

I haven't talk to them much in the last 5 years or so when I returned home, so yeah I could be wrong about them personally now.

I would have loved to gone into the trades and admire this who did so, so I actually have a revulsion for a lot of what constitutes college "work", so why the victim complexes?

I find it intersting how one section of the population chooses (or doesn't) to have children early and another section leaves almost to the end , late 30's, despite the fact we live in a small relatively centralised island. Dublin, only a few hours in any direction.

Monsieur Folie

To each their own. I think it's just a case of the people in college looking forward to what an exiting and fruitful life they're going to have afterwards (whether or not they're deluding themselves is an argument for another thread) so they tend to look after themselves and put off the baby-making for later in life. If you're at home, finished school and either working a steady job or scrounging off the dole or whatever, there's nothing to stop you settling down and having kids and maybe some people want that.

eviltwin

maybe they didn't want to be geriatric parents?

Sauve

I have some friends who had their kids straight out of school, reared them, and then pursued college and careers that they had a real interest in.

Yeah it was tough going for them, but right now they're in their early 40s, kids are all adults and left home, and they're starting into exciting careers.
Nowt wrong with that imo

the blunder years

I don't get this thread, country folk who don't go to college make babies. Also good people have kids not just school yard bullies, I think it's more so you know the people involved having kids, not the socio economics of the situation. When did people having kids in their 20's become such a big deal.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Strange but I notice many more young parents in town than I ever do in our rural area. I just don't get the hypothesis set by the OP. It it supposedly a rural thing or an non-college thing,, or something else altogether?

shruikan2553

It seems some people here are over reacting. The grouping isnt really those who went to college and those who didnt. Its just those who ended up giving birth soon after their LC results happened to be members of the latter camp. Out of those who go to college it does seem to be a lot less of them are having children while every time I got home the average age of mothers drops by a year.

Lapin

Adamantium wrote: »

You seem ok.

I am.

Would you put that down to the colleges I attended?

Adamantium

Kassidy Melodic Attic wrote: »

Strange but I notice many more young parents in town than I ever do in our rural area. I just don't get the hypothesis set by the OP. It it supposedly a rural thing or an non-college thing,, or something else altogether?

More a college vs not non college immediately after the Leaving Cert . I'll change the thread title. Sorry.

RobertKK

The problem is the urban pollution.

Panda_Turtle

As discussed by the BBC, humans will evolve into two species over the next 100,000 years.

The tall, attractive intelligent species ????who went to college or straight to work????

The short, stoopid species ????who have babies young and claim the dole too much????

The human race would peak in the year 3000, he said - before a decline due to dependence on technology.

People would become choosier about their sexual partners, causing humanity to divide into sub-species, he added.

The descendants of the genetic upper class would be tall, slim, healthy, attractive, intelligent, and creative and a far cry from the "underclass" humans who would have evolved into dim-witted, ugly, squat goblin-like creatures.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6057734.stm

the blunder years

Adamantium wrote: »

I agree, when I used to know in school them that was the vibe they received and the label they got from teachers and other students. I wonder was it self fufilling in a way.

I haven't talk to them much in the last 5 years or so when I returned home, so yeah I could be wrong about them personally now.

I would have loved to gone into the trades and admire this who did so, so I actually have a revulsion for a lot of what constitutes college "work", so why the victim complexes?

I find it intersting how one section of the population chooses (or doesn't) to have children early and another section leaves almost to the end , late 30's, despite the fact we live in a small relatively centralised island. Dublin, only a few hours in any direction.

Absolutely condescending bull, you admire people who have blue collar trades but that you could never see yourself doing. Let me take it you have some kind of arts degree. Also how people choose to live their life comment as regards to having kids is naive at best. Yes Dublin is only a few hours away in any direction but so is everywhere else.

Adamantium

the blunder years wrote: »

Absolutely condescending bull, you admire people who have blue collar trades but that you could never see yourself doing. Let me take it you have some kind of arts degree. Also how people choose to live their life comment as regards to having kids is naive at best. Yes Dublin is only a few hours away in any direction but so is everywhere else.

I don't have an arts related degree of any sort, in fact I barely was able to finish college due to health problems, and would love to have done a trade as it might have avoided my accident. Oh how will I ever live among the proles though in the meantime. The horror

Czarcasm

Adamantium wrote: »

The thread about being too attached to your local area, made me think about my own area, and the differences between young people who went to college and does that didn't.

You've been through third level education? Seriously? Thankfully I'm all too aware you're not representative of the standard of education in our primary schools, let alone our third level institutions.

I'm 22. My friend and I came to the anecdotal conclusion, that people who didn't go to college all seem to be having children in what is a very rural area much like what the LadyLucinda said in the other thread.

Yourself and your friend are two young, 22 year old, third level educated college graduates, with nothing better to do with your lives than gossip about your neighbours like a pair of curtain twitching oul' ones?

I'm not sure you see the irony in your being so scornful of people you feel are wasting their lives.

I know only one of my college mates who has a child in the whole 4 years we were there, and I'd a large social circle. The difference is pretty startling, they're having them really young at "home"

My question is has anybody else noticed it to?

Your social circle can't nearly be as large as you think it is if you failed to spot that a number of third level institutions now have daycare facility arrangements for students with young children, not to mention the number of mature students in third level education who also have children (I know many people who have gone back to education to change careers, or like myself simply because they enjoy learning and educating themselves and upskilling, I've also met 19 year olds in second year who are studying for degrees in their chosen fields and have childcare arranged).

Having children doesn't hinder you from leading a full and fulfilling life, and by that same token - there are many in my social circle who barely scraped through second level education and are thriving in business and their chosen careers. My own brothers went from both having done apprenticeships as fitters and electricians to becoming in later life one a top chef and the other running his own chain of gyms.

I also have a friend in her 50s who's gone back to college studying law, and I can think of many, many more examples, and I'm sure if I had time to waste sitting down for a chin wag with one of my mates we'd begin to notice the tiny, tiny, statistically insignificant amount of people who have nothing better to do with their own lives than observe the goings on of people who are living their lives.

It was the wasters and glorylords in school who have life come back to bite them in the arse, while everybody else under their thumb at the time is now exploring free so to speak. The waster thought they were going to live forever. Tend to hook with the first gf out of a marraige of convenience.:pac:

Now PLEASE note, I'm generalising here saying college is what makes a person, that's be very wrong of me. So don't look for a row.
A child isn't a bad thing either. I love children, just not at 18,19, younger than that.

But I think the people in college are more disciplined or have more to lose/to stake?

Anyone else notice this?

They're giving STI and contraception talks in the wrong place! :pac:

No, can't say I've noticed it now to be honest.

thrashmetalfan

the op is just out to demonise the working class. the usual attitude towards someone who never went to college. on the dole, living an unhealthy lifestyle, popping out sprogs every other minute. the same old same old. give it a rest.

thrashmetalfan

Panda_Turtle wrote: »

As discussed by the BBC, humans will evolve into two species over the next 100,000 years.

The tall, attractive intelligent species ????who went to college or straight to work????

The short, stoopid species ????who have babies young and claim the dole too much????



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6057734.stm

here is a youtube video which in my opinion gives a more accurate view of what will happen in the year 3000:

Adamantium

Czarcasm wrote: »

Yourself and your friend are two young, 22 year old, third level educated college graduates, with nothing better to do with your lives than gossip about your neighbours like a pair of curtain twitching oul' ones?

I'm not sure you see the irony in your being so scornful of people you feel are wasting their lives.

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It was a 20 min section in a 5 hour conversation with my best friend of 15 years about where people were from our school days, not a UN general assembly.

Have you never had a conversation like that before? You little angel.

delthedriver

OP, what and where did you study?

PLL

I got pregnant in the first year of college at age 20 and I'm now 23 and going back to college in September. I love my daughter more than anything in this world, don't regret/wouldn't change a thing. BUT the idea of never going to college would destroy me. I did well in school and I think it would be a waste for me not to pursue my education. Like you say you think college doesn't make a person, well for some people it does and I am one of those people.

riclad

ITs well known people are marrying later,
having children later .
Maybe people who go to college later are more careful re contraception ,
than other less educated people.
Many secondary schools, have 17-18 year old pupils who have babys .
IF i see a 17 , 18 your old girl pushing a pram,
i,d assume it was an accident ,she did not get pregnant on purpose.

Maybe we need a more advanced sex education program in schools .
I think middle class girls tend to have children later ,in their twentys ,
than working class women.
The average girl who has a child at 18 may decide it s too complicated to go to college ,for childcare reasons etc.

MRnotlob606

social darwinist Bull****

Lou.m

Adamantium wrote: »

The thread about being too attached to your local area, made me think about my own area, and the differences between young people who went to college and does that didn't, I'm 22. My friend and I came to the anecdotal conclusion, that people who didn't go to college all seem to be having children in what is a very rural area much like what the LadyLucinda said in the other thread.

I know only one of my college mates who has a child in the whole 4 years we were there, and I'd a large social circle. The difference is pretty startling, they're having them really young at "home"

My question is has anybody else noticed it to?
It was the wasters and glorylords in school who have life come back to bite them in the arse, while everybody else under their thumb at the time is now exploring free so to speak. The waster thought they were going to live forever. Tend to hook with the first gf out of a marraige of convenience.:pac:

Now PLEASE note, I'm generalising here saying college is what makes a person, that's be very wrong of me. So don't look for a row.
A child isn't a bad thing either. I love children, just not at 18,19, younger than that.

But I think the people in college are more disciplined or have more to lose/to stake?

Anyone else notice this?

They're giving STI and contraception talks in the wrong place! :pac:

I went to Uni. I am no wiser in my life. But I know not to judge other people who are not hurting anyone else. And my life may not be super exotic but it's interesting enough so that I don't have to bitch.

And I have enough perspective despite not having children myself that it is actually a very hard job and one that requires a LOT of discipline.


I dunno if I want kids or not. But I respect people who are trying to do a decent job.

Also I know many parents who went to college after having kids. I know many people who went to college and are very intelligent people.

What I do find annoying is people to go to college and come out narrow minded.

I have a degree. There are lots of people without one doing much better than me ( GOB****ES ...ah no good for them ) .

A lot of my friends have children and it's not easy at all. They have to be very selfless and they deserve your respect.

If you are not a troll you need to widen your social circle.

Anyway we should all be positive and kind to people around us.

Now it's about college? Plenty of young parents in college and fair play to them.
College isn't the be all or end all either, it's not for everyone

dharma200

If you are able to call yourself college educated, and spout out that pile of bull, I suggest college might not be the solution to your own problems of intellect.....

maguic24

PLL wrote: »

I got pregnant in the first year of college at age 20 and I'm now 23 and going back to college in September. Like you say you think college doesn't make a person, well for some people it does and I am one of those people.

How do you know yet if you are only going back to college in September?

thrashmetalfan

riclad wrote: »

ITs well known people are marrying later,
having children later .
Maybe people who go to college later are more careful re contraception ,
than other less educated people.
Many secondary schools, have 17-18 year old pupils who have babys .
IF i see a 17 , 18 your old girl pushing a pram,
i,d assume it was an accident ,she did not get pregnant on purpose.

Maybe we need a more advanced sex education program in schools .
I think middle class girls tend to have children later ,in their twentys ,
than working class women.
The average girl who has a child at 18 may decide it s too complicated to go to college ,for childcare reasons etc.

what a load of bull. some working class girls who have kids too early may come from disadvantaged area's and maybe early school leavers but don't tar an entire social class with the one brush. lots of working class women don't automatically get knocked up either. education or lack of it is a prevailing factor as well as the social environment you were brought up in. but that's not a factor for every female member of the working class.

riclad

I,D Assume that women who are doing a 4 degree in ucd,for example,
are taking contraception, avoiding getting pregnant ,
as it would be complicated to have a child while in college ,
and they are probably not married yet.
IF everyone goes, to college than whats a degree worth,?
it loses its value to employers.

I,M not saying that every working class woman gets pregnant at 18 .
Let,s Say some one who has a child early ,may put off go,ing to college.
I know women who got pregnant before 21 and it was not planned .
MAYBE theres loads of women having children in college,
but i did nt notice them.
Lot,s of women from all class,es never have any children at any age.

maguic24

This is a saying my uncle used to say all the time:

Education is no substitute for intelligence

In hindsight, I now see what he meant by it.

Vito Corleone

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Yes. Yes you are.:)

The guy acknowledged he was generalizing and of course you had to come in and say "Yes, you are". :rolleyes: It baffles me how these sort of posts get thanked, although I realise that was your sole purpose of posting that comment (or posting in general).

delthedriver

delthedriver wrote: »

OP, what and where did you study?

Adamantium?


Guess this was not such a bright idea?

4zn76tysfajdxp

Sauve wrote: »

I have some friends who had their kids straight out of school, reared them

Absolutely disgusting.