Milk producers wages.

minktrapper

Any idea how much an hour dairy farmers earn.

mayota

minktrapper wrote: »

Any idea how much an hour dairy farmers earn.

Before or after fixed costs?

minktrapper

mayota wrote: »

Before or after fixed costs?

Are you joking me.Taxable income in to your back pocket.Fixed costs,variable costs any sort of costs you can think of.What are a dairy farmers wages?

minktrapper

A rolling average would be a better figure in order to take in to account of 2009.

blue5000

First of all you'd want to work out how many hours a week a dairy farmer works, not too many on 39 hrs I'd say.

freedominacup

blue5000 wrote: »

First of all you'd want to work out how many hours a week a dairy farmer works, not too many on 39 hrs I'd say.

Even a guy drawing a good salary around 50k gross wouldn't be earning much more than 15 euro per hour before tax.

Brown Podzol

blue5000 wrote: »

First of all you'd want to work out how many hours a week a dairy farmer works, not too many on 39 hrs I'd say.

30 hours per livestock unit per annum. Moorepark survey.

rangler1

Brown Podzol wrote: »

30 hours per livestock unit per annum. Moorepark survey.

Teagasc reckons that my sheep enterprise is two labour units.....must be based on civil servant productivity,

Viewtodiefor

Brown Podzol wrote: »

30 hours per livestock unit per annum. Moorepark survey.

That seems to make sense

professore

It's a business, not a job - or should be. I have a business. One year I made over 150k before tax. Another year I made 20k. What are my "wages"?

frazzledhome

professore wrote: »

It's a business, not a job - or should be. I have a business. One year I made over 150k before tax. Another year I made 20k. What are my "wages"?

Agree, but with family now I take an allowance monthly by DD.
when doing my budgets this is along with bank payments are first on the list

Genghis Cant

rangler1 wrote: »

Teagasc reckons that my sheep enterprise is two labour units.....must be based on civil servant productivity,

There's unproductive civil servants like there's unproductive farmers.
I have 39 hours a week where I'm extremely busy, in fact if I took into account all the advice and info I give out on the phone I'd have more then 39hrs a week.

minktrapper

professore wrote: »

It's a business, not a job - or should be. I have a business. One year I made over 150k before tax. Another year I made 20k. What are my "wages"?

Agree with you fully but if you average out your annual income and divide by the amount of hours you are working you will be left with an hourly rate.You will then be left with your income per hour as if you are in a job.

rangler1

Genghis Cant wrote: »

There's unproductive civil servants like there's unproductive farmers.
I have 39 hours a week where I'm extremely busy, in fact if I took into account all the advice and info I give out on the phone I'd have more then 39hrs a week.

I think teagascs labour unit is based on a 230 working day year....farmers would work more days than that in a year

whelan2

frazzledhome wrote: »

Agree, but with family now I take an allowance monthly by DD.
when doing my budgets this is along with bank payments are first on the list

is that a wage or drawings?

sheebadog

Treat the farm as a business.
The farm is a company and therefore I pay myself a wage every month commensurate with the size of that company.

minktrapper

sheebadog wrote: »

Treat the farm as a business.
The farm is a company and therefore I pay myself a wage every month commensurate with the size of that company.

Any idea how much an hour you pay yourself.

sheebadog

minktrapper wrote: »

Any idea how much an hour you pay yourself.

Approx €35/hr gross.

Genghis Cant

rangler1 wrote: »

I think teagascs labour unit is based on a 230 working day year....farmers would work more days than that in a year

It's irrelevant to me what Teagasc base this on. The point I'm making is, as a public servant I work hard and don't appreciate the sideswipe at public servants.
If I were to make the same sweeping generalization about farmers it wouldn't go unchecked, and rightly so.

minktrapper

sheebadog wrote: »

Approx €35/hr gross.

Is this an accurate figure do you think.What do you get for overtime ie. Sundays bank holidays.

frazzledhome

whelan2 wrote: »

is that a wage or drawings?

Same thing

sheebadog

minktrapper wrote: »

Is this an accurate figure do you think.What do you get for overtime ie. Sundays bank holidays.

This is just an average for a 60hr week. Flat rate for 52 weeks with no overtime etc.

frazzledhome

sheebadog wrote: »

This is just an average for a 60hr week. Flat rate for 52 weeks with no overtime etc.

Did mine its €32/ hr average 69 hrs for 52 wks

Brown Podzol

frazzledhome wrote: »

Did mine its €32/ hr average 69 hrs for 52 wks

Does your working day include time spent on here, going to co-op meetings, reading the farming press etc. All legitimate farm work activities.

Brown Podzol

sheebadog wrote: »

Treat the farm as a business.
The farm is a company and therefore I pay myself a wage every month commensurate with the size of that company.

Exactly. If the farm is a public co. the shareholders by in large do not work in the co. Everyone working in the co. is paid before profit is calculated.

jaymla627

minktrapper wrote: »

Any idea how much an hour dairy farmers earn.

Such an opened question the established lad with the facilities in place, low borrowings will obviously be earning more then a new entrant like myself, at the mineute would be paying myself 3 euro an hour at best.

minktrapper

jaymla627 wrote: »

Such an opened question the established lad with the facilities in place, low borrowings will obviously be earning more then a new entrant like myself, at the mineute would be paying myself 3 euro an hour at best.

Done intentionally to get a more broad range of answers.

joejobrien

freedominacup wrote: »

Even a guy drawing a good salary around 50k gross wouldn't be earning much more than 15 euro per hour before tax.

Agree with you on that one freedomainacup and one should consider that a capital return in his investment on his farm and if so how much. If one was an employee earning 50k paying his taxes ,it all his ,with no investment in his business:eek: . Many people forget the differences is it just a wage one takes or is it a wage plus making a profit. I know where I stand on that.:cool: Above is my opnion only

kevthegaff

Im not gona work it out it will only depress me!!

simx

kevthegaff wrote: »

Im not gona work it out it will only depress me!!

To think about all them zeros to be scribbling down is it? :P

keep going

Brown Podzol wrote: »

Does your working day include time spent on here, going to co-op meetings, reading the farming press etc. All legitimate farm work activities.

Next you'll be including being on boards or talking about farming to your neighbours