Starving children of Africa TV ads

fussyonion

Adrian Kennedy was talking about this subject this morning and I thought it'd be interesting to get Boardsie's views.

Should the charity ads be pulled from telly? You know the "starving children" and "poor Fedosi needs food" ones?

They're always aired at mealtimes and they have been around for years.

I've spoken to elderly people who have very strong views about the ads, saying when they were growing up, they were being urged to help the "starving children of Africa", but there's no sign of any improvements and it's 2014 now.

Also, I think if there is such a bad situation in these countries, why are the women still having children?

An elderly Aunt of mine said "If the charities handed out contraceptives or educated them about family planning, the charities would go out of business."
She thinks that actually, these women having babies is a good thing for the likes of Trocaire and Concern and other charities.

What do you think?

Should these ads be pulled from our T.V screens?
Do you think they're actually helping or do you switch off?

I don't think they make a blind bit of difference as everyone I know turns them off and pays no heed to them.

LETHAL LADY

Them and the cracked heel shaving ads. FFS sake they ruin me dinner.

yawhat!

Should we ban adds advertising butter, sausages or mobile phones.

These adds are highly offensive to chickens!

wazky

So annoying, I know detest Stings Field of Gold due to one such ad.

Shakespeare's Sister

fussyonion wrote: »

Also, I think if there is such a bad situation in these countries, why are the women still having children?

I guess lack of education/lack of access to contraception.

keeponhurling

Ban watching TV during dinner

Bongalongherb

The benefits of not having a TV-set, happy days, no adverts of any kind.

Temptamperu

Warlords and tribealism is tough for everyone not doing the warlording and tribalisms.

rockbeast

keeponhurling wrote: »

Ban watching TV during dinner

Ban eating dinner whilst watching TV and we'll all look like Ethiopians in a week or two!

Karl Stein

Poverty causes babies. Babies do not cause poverty.

NowThatsCool

Tear down prohibitive import duties on 3rd world goods. Insist aid does not undermine local industry. Demand transparency for infrastructure spending. Link the grant of visas to members of the ruling class to achievement of anti-corruption goals .....

or just TXT 50CENTS4FEDOSI to 1-800-NOT-ARSED

TV ads of the poor that spoil your dinner - what a first world problem.

shamrock55

Most of the money doesnt even reach these people, all these charities are a fraud, i wouldnt give them a cent

Sir Arthur Daley

Karl Stein wrote: »

Poverty causes babies.

This is the principle problem that needs to be addressed.

My name is URL

They're always aired at mealtimes and they have been around for years.

And they spend literal millions on making those ads & having them distributed around the world.

It pisses me off tbh... people dying from hunger, with plenty of worldwide food supplies and reserves to feed them.. and the best idea anyone has had yet i to throw money and Facebook likes at a trillion-dollar industry

Whenever people take food from a bin here you have cnuts calling for them to be locked up...

Fcuk people in general

Karl Stein

Sir Arthur Daley wrote: »

This is the principle problem that needs to be addressed.

Educate women. Educate a woman and you educate a family.

Tokarev

fussyonion wrote: »

Adrian Kennedy

Oh good old Adrian.

Hold on, Who the fcuk is Adrian Kennedy again?

Sparklygirl

I don't think they should be pulled from TV. If it were not for them we would not realise that children are starving in the world. I think Trocaire and Concern need to direct funds to decreasing corruption in these places. The reason the poverty continues is because those in charge allow it and only look after themselves. They sometimes sell on the medical supplies and food from our contributions to the people in poverty. In relation to contraception, a lot of these people don't believe in it as the Catholic church teaches that it is sinful and secondly they are in a terrible circle whereby if they don't have lots of children they wont survive. They accept that infant mortality is a part of life. On top of this, women are second class citizens who do the majority of the work and are married off as teenagers to men, they are not allowed say no to marital relations, there is no such thing as rape in marriage in these countries. Another factor is that these people do not have the privilege of any education or information. They cannot read and write and have no books to read anyway, let alone the information of the world at their finger tips.

Karl Stein

Tokarev wrote: »

Hold on, Who the fcuk is Adrian Kennedy again?

That gobsheen on the radio who hosts a ring-in-to-complain-about-stuff show.

hfallada

Feeding these children isnt going to solve the problem of poverty. Education and birth control will. Take China which regularly used to have famines to "control population" aka killing a few million. It put in place education and birth control. It has no food issues now and is the second largest economy in the world. A rapidly growing population is a massive strain on an economy. Iran also slashed birth rates and its economy boomed.

But some christian charity isnt going to promote birth control. Most dont even want to promote safe sex as its against the bible. But hundreds of thousands of people get HIV every year. Because so nut job says its against the teaching of a book

Melinda Gates aka Bill Gates wife believes birth control is the solution. Not some bag of rice and dairy cow

http://www.ted.com/talks/melinda_gates_let_s_put_birth_control_back_on_the_agenda

Bongalongherb

More emphasis should be put into their government to look after their citizens in a humane way, instead of their government officials dipping into the few million we (Ireland) send over each year. The auditor that was sent over last year copped where the money was really going... and it all wasn't going to these needy folk.

Sir Arthur Daley

Karl Stein wrote: »

Educate women. Educate a woman and you educate a family.

It is the men who need education too.

Adamantium

"Wait I get it, we're supposed to throw out TV's out, because they don't have the things we do"

Two birds with one stone

Bongalongherb

Sir Arthur Daley wrote: »

It is the men who need education too.

The woman will educate her man as he would be included in the family structure. A real woman can teach a man to be a genius, but only if he ever listened.

catallus

The idea that human beings being born causes poverty is a deeply misguided one; causation/correlation and all that jazz; why should anyone dictate to anyone else that they shouldn't have a family just because of their/ their country's financial situation? It is the tired idea that we should sterilise people on the dole transferred to entire nations. The right to a family life is enshrined in the Declaration of Human Rights for a good reason. But it is an easy answer for spectators to suggest, what with all their wisdom about the whys people would wish to have a family; anyone who suggests social engineering in the form of enforced contraception is as backward and racist as the 18th century colonialists, who at least had the good manners to set up some sort of governmental law and order in the places they pillaged.

BearBanjer

We need more heroes like Bono to help sort these kinds of problems out.

Nodin

Sir Arthur Daley wrote: »

It is the men who need education too.

...certainly you can't ignore them in whats a very patriarchal continent (to generalise).

--LOS--

Bongalongherb wrote: »

The benefits of not having a TV-set, happy days, no adverts of any kind.

yep, I haven't had one for a few years now, no ads, happy days

kumate_champ07

its a toss up between that one, and the 'for people who spit blood when they brush their teeth' ad

I dont want to look at some 5 yr old with a fly on their face and sad music playing in the background, only reason those ads are on tv is to make money for people in suits. solve the poverty problem and those guys lose their jobs

Adamantium

Sparklygirl wrote: »

secondly they are in a terrible circle whereby if they don't have lots of children they wont survive.

I always thought this was the worst (most selfish) reason in the world to have children

It also makes no sense to my mind
The're not going to survive to old age anyway for the children to take care, they'll still be able bodied.

So they end up dying earlier (due to been worn out by having huge numbers of children and lower life expectancy anyway) and more broke then if they never had any children or very few children at all.

Self-fufilling prophecy/destiny. You become the very thing you wanted to not be by acting in fear.

Karl Stein

Sir Arthur Daley wrote: »

It is the men who need education too.

Yes men too but educating women in places blighted by poverty and fundamentalism is very beneficial to society as a whole. There's a reason the Taliban don't want women to go to school the medieval bastards.

Every girl who crams for a high-school exam, every woman who runs a hospital, and every semi-educated mother who makes sure her daughter gets a better education than she herself received, is a mortal threat to the Taliban's declared ambition that every little girl who talks about school gets it in the head.

theguardian.com

creolebelle

NowThatsCool wrote: »

Tear down prohibitive import duties on 3rd world goods. Insist aid does not undermine local industry. Demand transparency for infrastructure spending. Link the grant of visas to members of the ruling class to achievement of anti-corruption goals .....

or just TXT 50CENTS4FEDOSI to 1-800-NOT-ARSED

TV ads of the poor that spoil your dinner - what a first world problem.

Real solutions to the problem. Unfortunately these will never be implemented

Boombastic

Should stop funding them altogether, we are not helping

Bongalongherb

I put a lot of blame towards the environmentalists for not allowing these poor folk to use mains electricity. The folk, and hospital doctors over there are told that they will be given a solar panel, as it is more environmentally friendly they say than using modern electrical systems, but the solar panel can only store enough power for one thing only... like a fridge with medicine's or they are told to shut the fridge power off and use it for lighting, as both cannot be used at the same time.

These environmentalists are the people holding back these poor people from progressing to the state of the rest of us in a modern world. Water is another problem for sure, but for another day.

catallus

Blaming environmentalists is a bit simplistic; they are symptomatic of the wider problem of institutionalised racism which is being foisted on the nascent governments.

darkpagandeath

Giving money to countries with their own space programs or buying navy fighter planes that are land locked or Local officials that say the money was resting in my account solves nothing. Apparently there have been famines in Africa for as long as I can remember at least 30 years, And not governments or warlords and such causing the problems. And I would be very surprised if even 10c in every Euro gets to the destination.

Snake

Magaggie wrote: »

I guess lack of education/lack of access to contraception.

Actually they have a lot of children because the chances of one of family surviving is higher than having no children...

Mickey H

Bongalongherb wrote: »

The benefits of not having a TV-set, happy days, no adverts of any kind.

What's your furniture pointed at??

Shakespeare's Sister

retrogamefan wrote: »

Actually they have a lot of children because the chances of one of family surviving is higher than having no children...

Maybe so.

But saying they shouldn't have children because of the financial strain is comparing them to people in this country, who have access to education and contraception, which is pointless. It's not comparing like with like; it's a very different society, where those things are not to be taken for granted, like here.

Bongalongherb

catallus wrote: »

Blaming environmentalists is a bit simplistic; they are symptomatic of the wider problem of institutionalised racism which is being foisted on the nascent governments.

There is nothing simplistic about it, look into it yourself to see how nasty it is.

Snake

Magaggie wrote: »

Maybe so.

But saying they shouldn't have children because of the financial strain is comparing them to people in this country, who have access to education and contraception, which is pointless. It's not comparing like with like; it's a very different society, where those things are not to be taken for granted, like here.

I didn't compare them to people here... Humans are designed to pass on their genes... They're born to pass on their family name... That's what they're doing... And that's what they have to do to survive... The only other option is they all die.. Having fewer children won't make their lives better overnight... By the time they'd actually get up and running to a first world standard, they'll all be dead..

Bongalongherb

Mickey H wrote: »

What's your furniture pointed at??

It's pointed at a large computer screen with pc set-up, so when I turn it on, I just download whatever I need to watch for later and that does the job as there are no adverts anywhere interacting with this set-up, as in... happy days.

Shakespeare's Sister

Are they being convinced not to link to the grid or is it just that it's not an option for them?

retrogamefan wrote: »

I didn't compare them to people here

No I meant in reference to the original post I quoted.

Bongalongherb

I did see these kind of adverts when up in a friends house when he has the tv on, and I have to say, the same advert of flies on a poor unfortunate dying child and mother is replayed on the same channel every few minutes all day long. This country's government here in Ireland send millions every year to these places but as far back as I can see, the situation is worse off every year. Is our money going to the folk that really need it ? I don't know any-more after last year with government officials and military taking this money illegally to add to their personal accounts.

A seriously corrupt government will never look after it's citizens, as they are psychopaths with two things on their mind...money and power over it's poor weak population.

Gyalist

Nothing brings out AH's closeted racists and Malthusian fantasists like the subject of aid to Africa.

darkpagandeath

Gyalist wrote: »

Nothing brings out AH's closeted racists and Malthusian fantasists like the subject of aid to Africa.

Would you have any proof to backup your wild accusations ? or are you just making things up.

Aidric

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

I dont want to look at some 5 yr old with a fly on their face and sad music playing in the background, only reason those ads are on tv is to make money for people in suits. solve the poverty problem and those guys lose their jobs

They fall down with the music choice. People out of their nut at 3am in the morning or who haven't slept would be much more sympathetic to a bit of tribal house.

woodoo

The population of Ethiopia has doubled since Bob Geldof's Live Aid of 1984. Simply providing food is not going to solve the problem.

Bongalongherb

We can't physically interfere with the workings of other countries governments, but we all can educate them and try to weed out the parasites from their government of which is stagnating their citizens progression to modernise.

Environmentalists included.

darkpagandeath

woodoo wrote: »

The population of Ethiopia has doubled since Bob Geldof's Live Aid of 1984. Simply providing food is not going to solve the problem.

As far as I know there was no actual famine in Ethiopia, It was the Government pushing a group of people it was trying to kill onto land they could not produce food on.

Amirani

Bongalongherb wrote: »

The woman will educate her man as he would be included in the family structure. A real woman can teach a man to be a genius, but only if he ever listened.

That's not really how it works.

BMJD

Here's a list of ****s I give about starving children there: