1.2 million missing from department of social protection

Boombastic

Three staff members at the Department of Social Protection are being investigated for misappropriation of funds, the Public Accounts Committee (PAC) has heard.


one of these staff members has been fired.
The other two staff members at the department, headed up by Minister Joan Burton, have been suspended as a garda investigation into the claims continue.


It’s claimed that one staff member “colluded with an outsider” over a six year period. It’s alleged the ‘outsider’ received more than €1m in funds, which would be €166,000 a year or €3,205 a week
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gardai-investigate-misappropriation-of-funds-worth-up-to-12m-at-department-of-social-protection-30235413.html



In one instance the fraud was carried out on a weekly basis for over 6 years!!

Rotten from the inside out and the top down, with no oversight, management or morals

seamonkey92

Probably those fat cats in Dublin lining their pockets, all this country ever does is bend over and take it. No backbone. The country been ruined by the suits in Dublin.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

I thought you meant 1.2 million people....

paulbok

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

I thought you meant 1.2 million people....

T'would sort out the high unemployment levels pretty sharpish

zl1whqvjs75cdy

seamonkey92 wrote: »

Probably those fat cats in Dublin lining their pockets, all this country ever does is bend over and take it. No backbone. The country been ruined by the suits in Dublin.

Or it could be some rouge employees. You get them in every single job ever. The public service is no exception.

Collie D

seamonkey92 wrote: »

Probably those fat cats in Dublin lining their pockets, all this country ever does is bend over and take it. No backbone. The country been ruined by the suits in Dublin.

That's it, boyo. Keep voting Healy-Rae, Lowry and Joe Gombeen to show those Dublin fat-cats and the D4 meeja

Lapin

Boombastic wrote: »

........one of these staff members has been fired.

Must be a first for a civil servant.

Lapin

Lapin wrote: »

Must be a first for a civil servant.

Was probably on the Jobbridge.

tritium

seamonkey92 wrote: »

Probably those fat cats in Dublin lining their pockets, all this country ever does is bend over and take it. No backbone. The country been ruined by the suits in Dublin.

Yeah right, Dublin blah blah blah. All the fault of the city slickers leading the plain gombeens of Ireland astray.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

paulbok wrote: »

T'would sort out the high unemployment levels pretty sharpish

social protection would indicate they were on welfare. And claiming it. Or not existing. Sounds like a job for Dunham and Bishop.

seamonkey92

Collie D wrote: »

That's it, boyo. Keep voting Healy-Rae, Lowry and Joe Gombeen to show those Dublin fat-cats and the D4 meeja

Healy-Rae, Lowry No thanks, I'll be voting Sinn Fein.

Riskymove

Boombastic wrote: »

Rotten from the inside out and the top down, with no oversight, management or morals

I kniow this is AH but that's quite a statement

you'd think no fraud or crime was ever committed in the Private sector.

3 individuals out of hundreds of Department Staff.....People fired and under Garda investigation...but still let's just call them all names and have another PS bashing thread

Boombastic

Lapin wrote: »

Must be a first for a civil servant.

Who is this civil servent the has been stealing our money?

Who is the outsider?

What sentence did the courts hand down to them?

Are the suspended ones receiving full pay?

How many people altogether work in the department?

So many questions..l

tritium

Boombastic wrote: »

Three staff members at the Department of Social Protection are being investigated for misappropriation of funds, the Public Accounts Committee (PAC) has heard.


one of these staff members has been fired.
The other two staff members at the department, headed up by Minister Joan Burton, have been suspended as a garda investigation into the claims continue.


It’s claimed that one staff member “colluded with an outsider” over a six year period. It’s alleged the ‘outsider’ received more than €1m in funds, which would be €166,000 a year or €3,205 a week
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gardai-investigate-misappropriation-of-funds-worth-up-to-12m-at-department-of-social-protection-30235413.html



In one instance the fraud was carried out on a weekly basis for over 6 years!!

Rotten from the inside out and the top down, with no oversight, management or morals

Sounds like a fairly typical employee fraud situation. It was finally discovered and action is being taken. Exactly what would happen in most private companies - disciplinary proceedings and garda involvement.

It may point out system weaknesses that need to be fixed to prevent recurrence but apart from that I don't think it paints the department in a particularly bad light

zl1whqvjs75cdy

Can't believe someone was actually sacked. I presume they'll be suing the state for unfair dismissal by tomorrow.

Alf. A. Male

Boombastic wrote: »

Rotten from the inside out and the top down, with no oversight, management or morals

It was 3 people and the process of oversight is what eventually brought it to light. The morals and ethics of those discovering it have led to them being investigated and in one instance so far, fired. But don't let perspective and facts stop your rant.

seamonkey92 wrote: »

Probably those fat cats in Dublin lining their pockets, all this country ever does is bend over and take it. No backbone. The country been ruined by the suits in Dublin.

You know the "suits in Dublin" are worn by people from outside Dublin, yeh? In the case of politicians for example, most of them are from outside Dublin and are elected by people from outside Dublin, to represent people from outside Dublin. But again, don't let that stop your rant.

JamBur

seamonkey92 wrote: »

Probably those fat cats in Dublin lining their pockets, all this country ever does is bend over and take it. No backbone. The country been ruined by the suits in Dublin.

I fcuking hate this sort of inane, pessimistic drivel. Cop on and grow up.

SEPT 23 1989

im sure its the tip of the iceberg

Alf. A. Male

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

im sure its the tip of the iceberg

The true figure could be of titanic proportions.

Boombastic

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

im sure its the tip of the iceberg

Yep the 1.2 million only accounts for 2 of the cases known

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gardai-investigate-misappropriation-of-funds-worth-up-to-12m-at-department-of-social-protection-30235413.html



Two of the cases involve €1.2m and were referred to gardai in December 2012, Ms O’Donoghue said.

KungPao

donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »

Or it could be some rouge employees...

Bloody communists!

Alf. A. Male

donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »

Or it could be some rouge employees. .

Rouge employees could makeup the shortfall and spare the department's blushes.

Boombastic

Alf. A. Male wrote: »

It was 3 people and the process of oversight is what eventually brought it to light. The morals and ethics of those discovering it have led to them being investigated and in one instance so far, fired. But don't let perspective and facts stop your rant.



You know the "suits in Dublin" are worn by people from outside Dublin, yeh? In the case of politicians for example, most of them are from outside Dublin and are elected by people from outside Dublin, to represent people from outside Dublin. But again, don't let that stop your rant.

It took 6 years of 'oversight' to bring it too light. This very department is responsible for combating social welfare fraud and yet they can't see what's under their noses in the same department?

One fired, how did the court cases go? No money recouped

Idbatterim

you'd think no fraud or crime was ever committed in the Private sector.

there most certainly is, the difference is, it doesnt effect me, I couldnt really care less, this is the kind of s**t we are being bled dry with taxes for!

Ray Palmer

Idbatterim wrote: »

there most certainly is, the difference is, it doesnt effect me, I couldnt really care less, this is the kind of s**t we are being bled dry with taxes for!

You think private fraud doesn't effect you? It certainly does, who pays for the prosecution? Who pays for the jail accommodation?

You think fraud on insurance companies doesn't push up your premium?

Short sighted view.

Boombastic

Ray Palmer wrote: »

You think private fraud doesn't effect you? It certainly does, who pays for the prosecution? Who pays for the jail accommodation?

You think fraud on insurance companies doesn't push up your premium?

Short sighted view.

at least there would be a prosecution and jail accomodation needed. I suppose they're saving us a few Bob.

Riskymove

Idbatterim wrote: »

there most certainly is, the difference is, it doesnt effect me, I couldnt really care less, this is the kind of s**t we are being bled dry with taxes for!

of course it effects you..it increases the cost of doing business and therefore fees and costs increase etc

Ray Palmer

Boombastic wrote: »

at least there would be a prosecution and jail accomodation needed. I suppose they're saving us a few Bob.

DSP staff have been sent to jail for fraud and these people could easily have the same happen to them. Fraud is normally quite difficult to build a case on requires time.

What will make you sick is how long DSP recovery plans take on people who commit fraud as customers. Quite common for them to be for 15+years at €2 a week. Only recently have they been given the power to go after people who are no longer customers

Little CuChulainn

Boombastic wrote: »

Rotten from the inside out and the top down, with no oversight, management or morals

If that's true, why are they currently being investigated?

Idbatterim

The cost to me from private fraud, would be a fraction of that, that we are all paying because of welfare fraud...

Riskymove

Idbatterim wrote: »

The cost to me from private fraud, would be a fraction of that, that we are all paying because of welfare fraud...

and these people are being investigated and hopefully punished for it

so what's your issue?

bumper234

seamonkey92 wrote: »

Healy-Rae, Lowry No thanks, I'll be voting Sinn Fein.

Yeah


Bunch of fine upstanding folks

http://news.sky.com/story/1252758/gerry-adams-being-questioned-over-1972-murder

The One Doctor

seamonkey92 wrote: »

Healy-Rae, Lowry No thanks, I'll be voting Sinn Fein.

A vote for carbombs, extortion and terrorism? Vote for Sinn Fein. They'll even deliver the bomb to the public figure of your choice while making arms deals.

Jonny Blaze

Ray Palmer wrote: »

You think private fraud doesn't effect you? It certainly does, who pays for the prosecution? Who pays for the jail accommodation?

You think fraud on insurance companies doesn't push up your premium?

Short sighted view.

Ah come on, we all know that white collar criminals don't go to jail!

Boombastic

Ray Palmer wrote: »

DSP staff have been sent to jail for fraud and these people could easily have the same happen to them. Fraud is normally quite difficult to build a case on requires time.

What will make you sick is how long DSP recovery plans take on people who commit fraud as customers. Quite common for them to be for 15+years at €2 a week. Only recently have they been given the power to go after people who are no longer customers

Well the guy was fired in 2012. I'd imagine the investigation was concluded at that stage, how long more will it take to bring to court?

Full wages and an extra 3205 a week on top, I'm sure they have something that could be seized to make a repayment, which they haven't bothered their arse to do yet

Riskymove

Boombastic wrote: »

Well the guy was fired in 2012. I'd imagine the investigation was concluded at that stage, how long more will it take to bring to court?

Full wages and an extra 3205 a week on top, I'm sure they have something that could be seized to make a repayment, which they haven't bothered their arse to do yet

can I have a loan of your magical all-knowing device when you are finished with it?

Boombastic

Riskymove wrote: »

can I have a loan of your magical all-knowing device when you are finished with it?

? Please explain

Little CuChulainn

Boombastic wrote: »

Well the guy was fired in 2012. I'd imagine the investigation was concluded at that stage, how long more will it take to bring to court?

Full wages and an extra 3205 a week on top, I'm sure they have something that could be seized to make a repayment, which they haven't bothered their arse to do yet

You can't just seize something for repayment. You'd need some kind of court order. And civil matters always come after criminal trials.

Son Of A Vidic

Boombastic wrote: »

one of these staff members has been fired promoted.

I fixed the obvious typo there.

Ray Palmer

Jonny Blaze wrote: »

Ah come on, we all know that white collar criminals don't go to jail!

Yeah that garlic guy didn't serve any time.

Boombastic wrote: »

Well the guy was fired in 2012. I'd imagine the investigation was concluded at that stage, how long more will it take to bring to court?

Full wages and an extra 3205 a week on top, I'm sure they have something that could be seized to make a repayment, which they haven't bothered their arse to do yet

Imagine away but reality might hit you hard bro. You can be fired from a job and criminal prosecution then can take some time. How long did it take for the Anglo trial?

I don't know if he has or has not paid back any of the money back do you ?

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

Boombastic wrote: »

Rotten from the inside out and the top down, with no oversight, management or morals

Please stop acting like you know the first thing about it. The Department of Social Protection pays out almost €20bn per year and has thousands of employees. Things like this happen in every organisation but a tiny cross section of employees, 3 in this case, hardly signify an organisation that is "Rotten from the inside out and the top down".

Ray Palmer

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: »

Please stop acting like you know the first thing about it. The Department of Social Protection pays out almost €20bn per year and has thousands of employees. Things like this happen in every organisation but a tiny cross section of employees, 3 in this case, hardly signify an organisation that is "Rotten from the inside out and the top down".

I wonder where Boombastic works and how much experience he has in any large organisation?

Boombastic

Ray Palmer wrote: »

I wonder where Boombastic works and how much experience he has in any large organisation?

A large organisation with minimal accountability?


I'm not a thief, I don't make excuses for thieves. It's easy to know where some people work with their 'what's wrong with it atitude'. As in said rotten from the top down and the inside out with no morals

Ray Palmer

Boombastic wrote: »

A large organisation with minimal accountability?


I'm not a thief, I don't make excuses for thieves. It's easy to know where some people work with their 'what's wrong with it atitude'. As in said rotten from the top down and the inside out with no morals

Ok tell me where the last 5 poster work.

Boombastic

Ray Palmer wrote: »

Ok tell me where the last 5 poster work.

At the institute of making excuses for thieves.

Ray Palmer

Boombastic wrote: »

At the institute of making excuses for thieves.

LOL

If you actually had understanding you might realise that you are obviously clueless

Boombastic

Ray Palmer wrote: »

LOL

If you actually had understanding you might realise that you are obviously clueless

Well that well thought out and logical post really filled the gaps in my understanding

Thanks :rolleyes:

fleet_admiral

seamonkey92 wrote: »

Probably those fat cats in Dublin lining their pockets, all this country ever does is bend over and take it. No backbone. The country been ruined by the suits in Dublin.

i wonder how the rest of the country would cope if dublin stopped subsidizing yis

Gringo180

The One Doctor wrote: »

A vote for carbombs, extortion and terrorism? Vote for Sinn Fein. They'll even deliver the bomb to the public figure of your choice while making arms deals.

You do know that all of the above is in the past with Sinn Fein. Whereas the main stream partys like FG FF and Labour seem to let blatant white collar crime and corruption go unpunished in this very day and age.

Ray Palmer

Boombastic wrote: »

Well that well thought out and logical post really filled the gaps in my understanding

Thanks :rolleyes:

You think you deserve respectful answer given what you are saying and the name calling??

You refused every reasonable response and are acting like a child

Boombastic

fleet_admiral wrote: »

i wonder how the rest of the country would cope if dublin stopped subsidizing yis

Probably the same way the department of social protection employee had to cope on their wages after their €3205 self sanctioned weekly top up was 'discovered'