best thing to get rid of docks

calfmuscle

Hi guys just wondering if anyone has advise on clearing a field of docs?

Thanks!

Milked out

High load mircam is a good spray, spray when there are good growth conditions and the dock is at the right stage. This will kill clover as well tho, but if you're trying to protect clover there aren't many sprays worth talking about really

Mulumpy

If docks are very bad. I find dockstar the only one worth using. Expensive though at 68/ha. High load mircam is fine if a relatively young dock your killing.

Parishlad

Mulumpy wrote: »

If docks are very bad. I find dockstar the only one worth using. Expensive though at 68/ha. High load mircam is fine if a relatively young dock your killing.

Could you spray on meadow closed off for silage...would it not impact growth (clover not an issue). Have one field that was reseeded about 5 years ago and since last year the amount of docks is unreal!

Kevhog1988

a hungry goat

micraX

Plough

Robson99

Anyone use Eagle spray? Its meant to be clover safe

gozunda

Don't spread slurry! The seeds pas thru the digestive system unharmed and once spread will germinate in near perfect conditions.

But then if you you don't spread slurry....

C4d78

Doxstar. 80euro 2 Litre Dairygold. Expensive but only job. Any competitive price for Doxstar out there?

colrow

Dock Beetles

Nekarsulm

Nearly easier to sell up and move to a dock free farm....................!

MFdaveIreland

Dock seeds stay in soil 50 years , best to do is pull them and burn them

Muckit

gozunda wrote: »

Don't spread slurry! The seeds pas thru the digestive system unharmed and once spread will germinate in near perfect conditions

If you could believe the dockstar advert in ifj they say that dock seed is killed in the ensiling process of silage.

Docks like potassium and slurry is high in potassium.

A lot of lads don't spot they have a dock problem until the plants has nearly grown arms and are waving at them!!

MFdaveIreland

Neighbour never had docks, started importing slurry from local dairy, place rotten with them now, I'm sure the seeds spread in slurry

Deepsouthwest

MFdaveIreland wrote: »

Neighbour never had docks, started importing slurry from local dairy, place rotten with them now, I'm sure the seeds spread in slurry

Talking to a Teagasc guy who did his phd on docks and he said they did lots of trials dock seeds don't survive going through the winter, even if they survive the pit, they won't get through the animals system

TopCon

I sprayed a field with eagle last Sunday week. This Same field had awful docks last year but sprayed eagle in may. Eagle needed to save clover.

Kill was average enough. But apparently needs at least two sprays, so hopefully that run last sunday week will kill em off.

However I looked at em today and they didn't look to be very unhealthy. But if memory serves me it takes a while.

At €120 a go from the co-op it's very expensive. However money well spent in my opinion. Perhaps better value than fertilizer if correctly used?

Is the clover worth saving?? I have always been a fan of clover and its down in all my land but it needs minding.

Mulumpy

Parishlad wrote: »

Could you spray on meadow closed off for silage...would it not impact growth (clover not an issue). Have one field that was reseeded about 5 years ago and since last year the amount of docks is unreal!

Once you spray three to four weeks before cutting. Once good growthy weather spray will have very little impact on growth.

Mulumpy

C4d78 wrote: »

Doxstar. 80euro 2 Litre Dairygold. Expensive but only job. Any competitive price for Doxstar out there?

Magenta.ie selling it for 68 at the moment

gozunda

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

Talking to a Teagasc guy who did his phd on docks and he said they did lots of trials dock seeds don't survive going through the winter, even if they survive the pit, they won't get through the animals system

They must have soft docks in Teagasc!

I have seen docks spread this way in an area that then had to be treated

This is from the Dow Agrosciences Irish website

"Dock and chickweed seeds can pass undamaged through silage, the stocks’ digestive system and slurry. They are therefore spread very effectively by modern farming practices."

http://www.dowagro.com/ie/grass_bites/dock/

john p mc g

I sprayed with doxstarpro on silage ground last week looks like i got a great kill all have their heads turned into the ground 320 litres to the 2ltr drum

Muckit

john p mc g wrote: »

I sprayed with doxstarpro on silage ground last week looks like i got a great kill all have their heads turned into the ground 320 litres to the 2ltr drum

How much ground did you cover with that?

I wouldn't be hopping and skipping about just uet. All the sprays will kill off the leaf if it working right. The real test will be what sticks it's head back up in the regrowth.

I don't think there was a spray invented yet to nab them all in the first year. I hope someone can prove me wrong.

Sami23

john p mc g wrote: »

I sprayed with doxstarpro on silage ground last week looks like i got a great kill all have their heads turned into the ground 320 litres to the 2ltr drum

Did it check the grass growth at all ?

Timmaay

TopCon wrote: »

I sprayed a field with eagle last Sunday week. This Same field had awful docks last year but sprayed eagle in may. Eagle needed to save clover.

Kill was average enough. But apparently needs at least two sprays, so hopefully that run last sunday week will kill em off.

However I looked at em today and they didn't look to be very unhealthy. But if memory serves me it takes a while.

At €120 a go from the co-op it's very expensive. However money well spent in my opinion. Perhaps better value than fertilizer if correctly used?

Is the clover worth saving?? I have always been a fan of clover and its down in all my land but it needs minding.

http://www.magentadirect.ie/products.php?cat=113 99 here. As someone else said 68 for Docstar, which I'd just ordered. It was 79 at the local Glanbia. The High load Mircam works out cheap at 90 for 5L, and only needs 1.25L/Ha, but its not really for mature docks. Getting rid of the clover is a bonus also!

gazahayes

C4d78 wrote: »

Doxstar. 80euro 2 Litre Dairygold. Expensive but only job. Any competitive price for Doxstar out there?

There was an offer in Liffey mills 65 for dockstar pro nearly sure it was 2litres

john p mc g

Id say i just done less than 3 acres hit da bad spots 8 acres in total it would have me robbed doent look to ave stunted grass yet will keep an eye on it 72 euro in aurivo

kevthegaff

Eurogene should be developing a crossbred cow that thrives on docks ragwort chicweed and thistles, cmon it should be possible lol and firs...

_Brian

Robson99 wrote: »

Anyone use Eagle spray? Its meant to be clover safe

We sprayed with Eagle 10 days ago.
Docks are curling and their colour is fading.

The guy spraying recommended it highly but a poster on here reckoned it wasn't that good so only time will tell

€110 of spray did 8 acres, plus €10 an acre to spray... damn better work. !

kevthegaff

I done the world of topping last year, its my objective to get rid of these obnoxious weeds!

Green farmer

I've sheep , and haven't seen a doc leaf around the place in years, plenty of nettles and thistles though

J.O. Farmer

Green farmer wrote: »

I've sheep , and haven't seen a doc leaf around the place in years, plenty of nettles and thistles though

You won't have any ragwort either although it seems to be under control in most places now. 10 years ago there was plenty around us but the sheep kept us clear.

ganmo

Ya can never find a dock to rub on a nettle sting

royaler83

Posted this on chit chat but may have got a bit lost amongst the baby excitement.

Have a field that hasnt been reseeded in god knows how long. Its a great dry field but when ya look close theres alot of small weeds growing up with grass, (broadleaf type)would mcpa kill these weeds? Also ragweed at rosette stage is coming on.

Would mcpa do a job on them and also be safe if cattle off the field for 2-3 weeks.

Cheers

ABlur

http://www.magentadirect.ie/proddetail.php?prod=GRASSLANDWEEDCONTROL01



Have a field that hasnt been reseeded in god knows how long. Its a great dry field but when ya look close theres alot of small weeds growing up with grass, (broadleaf type)would mcpa kill these weeds? Also ragweed at rosette stage is coming on.

Would mcpa do a job on them and also be safe if cattle off the field for 2-3 weeks.

Cheers[/quote]


Yes is the quick answer the spray will check grass growth and theres also a risk of making the ragworth more palatable to cattle and poisoning. See the attached from Magenta's website for guidance

royaler83

ABlur wrote: »

http://www.magentadirect.ie/proddetail.php?prod=GRASSLANDWEEDCONTROL01



Have a field that hasnt been reseeded in god knows how long. Its a great dry field but when ya look close theres alot of small weeds growing up with grass, (broadleaf type)would mcpa kill these weeds? Also ragweed at rosette stage is coming on.

Would mcpa do a job on them and also be safe if cattle off the field for 2-3 weeks.

Cheers

Yes is the quick answer the spray will check grass growth and theres also a risk of making the ragworth more palatable to cattle and poisoning. See the attached from Magenta's website for guidance[/quote]

Cheers.

Was reading on teagasc there to not let cattle back on it until ragweed was dead and rotted away, would a ragweed at rosette stage be rotted after 3weeks?!