Car Imported Car Clocked from UK. What should i do?

Ambush Rebel 2010

If there is a thread regarding this already i apologise, I couldnt find it.

I was looking to buy a new car

Last saturday I found a car i liked. It is a 08 Vauxall Astra UK import and I was going to buy off a small garage in Cork.

For my sanity i did a UK Vehile check this morning

I found that car was last recorded with 140,000miles in the UK but when i saw it on the Car last Saturday it was 85,000.

I do not want anyone else to get stung by this.

What should I do?

Can the gardai action this?

whomitconcerns

Ambush Rebel 2010 wrote: »

If there is a thread regarding this already i apologise, I couldnt find it.

I was looking to buy a new car

Last saturday I found a car i liked. It is a 08 Vauxall Astra UK import and I was going to buy off a small garage in Cork.

For my sanity i did a UK Vehile check this morning

I found that car was last recorded with 140,000miles in the UK but when i saw it on the Car last Saturday it was 85,000.

I do not want anyone else to get stung by this.

What should I do?

Can the gardai action this?

well if you havent bought it then walk away..forget about it..

forzacalcio

whomitconcerns wrote: »

well if you havent bought it then walk away..forget about it..

And let someone else buy it?
Surely he should be encouraged to report it...

whomitconcerns

forzacalcio wrote: »

And let someone else buy it?
Surely he should be encouraged to report it...

well tell the garage then, as there is no crime committed till they sell it.

So no point in telling guards

Moomat

We can only assume that the garage may have bought it unaware that it was clocked.
I would definitely contact the Garda and let them take it from there. Surely it's a criminal offence to advertise for sale a clocked car if aware it's clocked.

forzacalcio

whomitconcerns wrote: »

well tell the garage then, as there is no crime committed till they sell it.

So no point in telling guards

Seriously? Wow!

whomitconcerns

..i stand corrected the law was changed in January..its now illegal to tamper with an odometer in Ireland...

http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/motors/clocking-mileage-illegal-from-today-1.1655128

the question I suppose becomes "does the garage know that its clocked", which is where if you notify them and they ignore, you could report to the guards...its a bit grey though i think..

yllw.ldbttr

whomitconcerns wrote: »

well tell the garage then, as there is no crime committed till they sell it.

So no point in telling guards

Isn't the act of clocking itself now an offence, the law was changed last year?

Seller should be reported, I'd find it hard to believe they are not either involved in the clocking or at the least aware of it and withholding that information.

http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/motors/clocking-mileage-illegal-from-today-1.1655128


Edit - maybe Varadker hasn't signed it?

Indie.

Are you sure the figure you saw online wasn't in kilometers?

The conversion is pretty close.

85,000 miles = 136,794 kilometers according to Google.

bear1

Indie. wrote: »

Are you sure the figure you saw online wasn't in kilometers?

The conversion is pretty close.

85,000 miles = 136,794 kilometers according to Google.

It's the other way around, the OP did a UK check (I'm presuming it still had the UK plates on) and the report showed it had 140k miles.
Now that the car is in Ireland it is showing 85k miles so it has been clocked.
I'd walk away.

Ambush Rebel 2010

Indie. wrote: »

Are you sure the figure you saw online wasn't in kilometers?

The conversion is pretty close.

85,000 miles = 136,794 kilometers according to Google.

Not a bad thought

However it is a UK vehicle check and it state the mileage is 139,169 and that information was correct as of last august. Also for reference the car when i viewed it displays in miles and over 80,00 miles was on the clock.

Ambush Rebel 2010

bear1 wrote: »

It's the other way around, the OP did a UK check (I'm presuming it still had the UK plates on) and the report showed it had 140k miles.
Now that the car is in Ireland it is showing 85k miles so it has been clocked.
I'd walk away.

UK plates still on the car.

I will not be buying the car. But now that i have information that it is clocked i want to ensure no one else gets caught with this car.

Cee-Jay-Cee

Inform the garage and tell them you are informing the gardai and then if they sell the car without telling the new owner they are committing an offence.

There's not much else you can do about it.

MarkR

Report it to the garda, or the National Consumer Agency seemingly.

http://www.consumerhelp.ie/car-clocking

whomitconcerns

Ambush Rebel 2010 wrote: »

UK plates still on the car.

I will not be buying the car. But now that i have information that it is clock i want to ensure no one else gets caught with this car.

more complications...you know you have to vrt it also, more cost and hassle...run away...before you buy an overpriced lemon

Pawwed Rig

It would be a pretty poor garage that didn't do this check for themselves. I would imagine they must know it has been clocked

mickdw

If the law has really changed, perhaps it's worth reporting.
If that change is meaningful, that's excellent but up until now the standard response from gardai was:
Have you bought the car?
No.
What is your issue?

forzacalcio

whomitconcerns wrote: »

you run away...before you buy an overpriced lemon

I think we know hes not going to buy it, his question was regarding who to report it to!

whomitconcerns

he hasnt suffered any loss. as someone else pointed out, Tell the garage and mention you are reporting to guards also..and walk away.

MarkR

whomitconcerns wrote: »

he hasnt suffered any loss. as someone else pointed out, Tell the garage and mention you are reporting to guards also..and walk away.

The car check wasn't free.

djimi

MarkR wrote: »

Report it to the garda, or the National Consumer Agency seemingly.

http://www.consumerhelp.ie/car-clocking

That link isnt strictly true,is it? Its illegal to sell a car that you know to be clocked without informing the buyer, and new laws make it illegal to clock a car in Ireland, but surely its not illegal to advertise a clocked car (as the link is suggesting), provided it was clocked before it entered the country and the seller does not commit fraud by selling it without informing the buyer?

Supergurrier

Post reg in here and anyone who googles it will see this thread.

I always Google the reg of any car I'm about to buy its fast and its free.

Pawwed Rig

AFAIK the garage will need to register it and pay the VRT before selling it.
I would have to look up my VRT rules though as I am a little bit rusty on them.

forzacalcio

whomitconcerns wrote: »

he hasnt suffered any loss. as someone else pointed out, Tell the garage and mention you are reporting to guards also..and walk away.

Remind me never to take advice from you anyway

Padraig Mor

Looking at ads, if it's the garage I think it is - I'm not surprised!

whomitconcerns

forzacalcio wrote: »

Remind me never to take advice from you anyway

???? em ok Never take advice from me then.......

Pawwed Rig

djimi wrote: »

That link isnt strictly true,is it? Its illegal to sell a car that you know to be clocked without informing the buyer, and new laws make it illegal to clock a car in Ireland, but surely its not illegal to advertise a clocked car (as the link is suggesting), provided it was clocked before it entered the country and the seller does not commit fraud by selling it without informing the buyer?

Does the ad say the clocked mileage or the original though. If it says the lower of the 2 then I would assume a purchaser would have a case. OP is there any way to post a link to the ad? Might need to be run past the mods first though.

crasy dash

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Looking at ads, if it's the garage I think it is - I'm not surprised!

At Padraig mor Can you pm a link to ad just curious about garage

Padraig Mor

crasy dash wrote: »

At Padraig mor Can you pm a link to ad just curious about garage

I can't be sure I've got the correct one, so I'll leave it up to the OP.

crasy dash

No problem sound anyway:)

Ambush Rebel 2010

All,

For info.

May not be the best thing to post the link on here. Info below for those asking.


- Car was titled as Opel rather than Vauxhall in the ad (Only a minor point)
- No mention was made of it being an import / being on english plates / Clocked until i arrived and test drove the car
- Only one picture in the Ad
- in the ad it states 86,000 M / 138,404 KM

To be fair the car looks in great condition, and when i drove it, it appeared solid.

My concern is that if the miles are not legit.. What else could be wrong with the car?

I would have to assume that garage is aware of checks available bringing cars over from the UK - I have little pity for the garage.

I think I will notify the gaurds are see what happens.

Padraig Mor

It's actually not the ad I was thinking of.

Irish Lion

Last October I was about to purchase a Focus in Dundalk on UK plates and while I was making arrangements to get there, I rang the number on DoneDeal and spoke to the seller.
He had a HPI cert with all the details on it and it appeared to be OK, but for my own sanity, I did my own HPI check and it told me that the Focus with 77,000 miles on the add actually had 152,000 miles on it before it left the UK according to the UK's national mileage register.
The seller seemed genuinely shocked on the phone and the add was taken down within minutes and I have not seen it since.

cerastes

Ambush Rebel 2010 wrote: »

If there is a thread regarding this already i apologise, I couldnt find it.

I was looking to buy a new car

Last saturday I found a car i liked. It is a 08 Vauxall Astra UK import and I was going to buy off a small garage in Cork.

For my sanity i did a UK Vehile check this morning

I found that car was last recorded with 140,000miles in the UK but when i saw it on the Car last Saturday it was 85,000.

I do not want anyone else to get stung by this.

What should I do?

Can the gardai action this?

what site did you use and how much did it cost? where you checking for something other than mileage?

Irish Lion wrote: »

Last October I was about to purchase a Focus in Dundalk on UK plates and while I was making arrangements to get there, I rang the number on DoneDeal and spoke to the seller.
He had a HPI cert with all the details on it and it appeared to be OK, but for my own sanity, I did my own HPI check and it told me that the Focus with 77,000 miles on the add actually had 152,000 miles on it before it left the UK according to the UK's national mileage register.
The seller seemed genuinely shocked on the phone and the add was taken down within minutes and I have not seen it since.

Is this a private service, just going to check it out

the culture of deference

I phoned an add on donedeal yesterday.

Car looked good but after 10 questions it turned out the car was

an import
cat C
also stolen recovered before Cat C

the seller didn't mention any of this on the ad and only told me because I asked.

Should this info have been placed in the ad

djimi

the culture of deference wrote: »

I phoned an add on donedeal yesterday.

Car looked good but after 10 questions it turned out the car was

an import
cat C
also stolen recovered before Cat C

the seller didn't mention any of this on the ad and only told me because I asked.

Should this info have been placed in the ad

Not necessarily. An ad can be a picture, a price and a phone number. Its up to the buyer to ask the questions and run all the relevant checks available.

SpannerMonkey

djimi wrote: »

Not necessarily. An ad can be a picture, a price and a phone number. Its up to the buyer to ask the questions and run all the relevant checks available.

agreed he didnt deceive anyone in the ad its up to the buyer to ask

Irish Lion

cerastes wrote: »

what site did you use and how much did it cost? where you checking for something other than mileage?



Is this a private service, just going to check it out

https://www.hpicheck.com/
It costs £24.95 and I think the sellers are banking on people not doing a check, but I have heard too many stories of people that have been caught so now I check if I'm genuinely interested and the results are frightening.

sparkynash

Notify the gaurds about this.sellers that do that need to be strung up.