is it worth putting p+k on rented ground for one cut of silage

f140

I am taking 30 acres off a neighbour for one cut of silage. It hasn't been grazed but at the same time its old pasture. Id say the p+k would be fairly low as it hasn't got slurry with yonks. he used to rent it out to a lad that used to cut just two cuts every year.


was going to go with just two bags of urea and leave it at that. is it worth giving it any p+k such as a bag of 0-7-30 or would I get my money back on that at all?

I have all my own slurry and dung used for my own place so that's not an option

frazzledhome

Horse out 120 units of N and include 20 of S.

f140

frazzledhome wrote: »

Horse out 120 units of N and include 20 of S.

I have urea that I want to use before the season is gone for it. if I was to buy p+k that would have to be put out seperate

frazzledhome

f140 wrote: »

I have urea that I want to use before the season is gone for it. if I was to buy p+k that would have to be put out seperate

2.5 bags urea, great weather for it. There's no chance you'd get it long term, I suppose?

blue5000

Very hard to know without a soil test. Gone a bit late for a test too for you to have results back to get p+k out. Do you want bulk or quality?

f140

blue5000 wrote: »

Very hard to know without a soil test. Gone a bit late for a test too for you to have results back to get p+k out. Do you want bulk or quality?

I suppose bulk when im paying for the land. it will allow me to take more paddocks gone string in my own farm for quality.

mf240

All you can afford to put on rented lad is straight urea/nitrogen and pallets and twine if any fencings needed.

ford 5600

mf240 wrote: »

All you can afford to put on rented lad is straight urea/nitrogen and pallets and twine if any fencings needed.

I wouldn't agree with that , 240. I reckon that you need cut or pasture sward at least to get anything of any value off rented ground. We know the rent is too dear, but the harvesting of any crop off said land costs too much to get a poor crop off it. Buying by the bale is one option and pay for the machinery end of things yourself. You pay for what you get.

mf240

ford 5600 wrote: »

I wouldn't agree with that , 240. I reckon that you need cut or pasture sward at least to get anything of any value off rented ground. We know the rent is too dear, but the harvesting of any crop off said land costs too much to get a poor crop off it. Buying by the bale is one option and pay for the machinery end of things yourself. You pay for what you get.

Ya I know what you mean but if it's only one year he has it for will he get any benefit from the p and k. I wouldn't apply my above post to long term rented.

Username John

But what if the grinding is very lacking in P let's say, would you not be wasting putting out a load of urea, as it wouldn't be used very efficiently.
Whereas adding a small bit of p, would help the growth a lot?

kevthegaff

im on the second years rent for first cut and go with 24:2.5-10 3 and a half bags. its not too expensive so i want it ok for next year

farmernewbie

ford 5600 wrote: »

I wouldn't agree with that , 240. I reckon that you need cut or pasture sward at least to get anything of any value off rented ground. We know the rent is too dear, but the harvesting of any crop off said land costs too much to get a poor crop off it. Buying by the bale is one option and pay for the machinery end of things yourself. You pay for what you get.

Hi Ford5600,

How much per bale would you pay for it that way?

ford 5600

farmernewbie wrote: »

Hi Ford5600,

How much per bale would you pay for it that way?

A Friend gives 10 a bale usually, would want to be niceish grass for that , maybe back to 7 or 8 for older stuff. I gave a tenner for hay last summer, mowed it turned it and baled it myself. Hope this is some help to you.

farmernewbie

ford 5600 wrote: »

A Friend gives 10 a bale usually, would want to be niceish grass for that , maybe back to 7 or 8 for older stuff. I gave a tenner for hay last summer, mowed it turned it and baled it myself. Hope this is some help to you.

Thought 10 is cheap myself. Was thinking more 12 to 14 for decent silage. Fert ain't getting any cheaper. If buyer pays 8 to get it cut and baled and 2 for wrap he gets his bale for 22euro and doesn't have to worry about putting p&k back into ground.

merryberry

If pH isn't right then half a bag of CAN will give you same response as a bag of cut sward

Greengrass1

See this is the problem with these yearly rents. Lads don't want to put more money into it than they have to and I can't blame ye either.
Things need to change.

sheebadog

Forget about P and K.
Fire out about 130 units of nitrogen and 35 units of sulphur.

Landlords let on a yearly basis because they are afraid that they might miss out on a rising market.
Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander.

Farrell

Greengrass1 wrote: »

See this is the problem with these yearly rents. Lads don't want to put more money into it than they have to and I can't blame ye either.
Things need to change.

With the tax incentives & glas, would it not suit landlords to let on long term deal with possibly tenant using glas to leave farm top nick. (Maybe landlords helping with costs)
Or would short term greed spoil it all

Greengrass1

Farrell wrote: »

With the tax incentives & glas, would it not suit landlords to let on long term deal with possibly tenant using glas to leave farm top nick. (Maybe landlords helping with costs)
Or would short term greed spoil it all

The women we have ground taken off is mad to see it back producing the way it used to be. Has offered to buy lime for it in the autumn and even wanted to buy fertiliser for the land

Username John

Farrell wrote: »

With the tax incentives & glas, would it not suit landlords to let on long term deal with possibly tenant using glas to leave farm top nick. (Maybe landlords helping with costs)
Or would short term greed spoil it all

I sell silage most years, by the stem.

And I am in this debate now to be honest - long term lease or not. I'm not over 40, so the tax free thing doesn't apply to me (yet)

From what I see, it really depends on the farmer. Some will take the view "its not my land, I'm not putting anything into it, lets ride it and get what we can til the lease is up" and some will take the view "I am paying enough for it, it has to produce 100% of its capability"

So could the opposite also be true - that with glas - would it not add more incentive to landlords to keep the land, claim glas, and sell silage every season?

Any more details about GLAS about?

Farrell

Greengrass1 wrote: »

The women we have ground taken off is mad to see it back producing the way it used to be. Has offered to buy lime for it in the autumn and even wanted to buy fertiliser for the land

They're great women, god bless them.
Look after them, not many landlords like that

Farrell

Username John wrote: »

I sell silage most years, by the stem.

And I am in this debate now to be honest - long term lease or not. I'm not over 40, so the tax free thing doesn't apply to me (yet)

From what I see, it really depends on the farmer. Some will take the view "its not my land, I'm not putting anything into it, lets ride it and get what we can til the lease is up" and some will take the view "I am paying enough for it, it has to produce 100% of its capability"

So could the opposite also be true - that with glas - would it not add more incentive to landlords to keep the land, claim glas, and sell silage every season?

Any more details about GLAS about?

Haven't heard much, just rumours of aid to reclaim, reseed, drain & lime. All maybe untrue.
Lots of landlords are lasy & want lots & do nothing, what your highlighting means work & risk.
The right work with attitude will work for landlord, tenant & farm. Sadly there does be more wrongs than rights.
Let's watch this space