Disgusting tenants

RoboRat

Before people start attacking me because I am a 'landlord' and I deserve everything I get for being some kind of leech, I would like to clarify that I am a landlord by virtue of the economic collapse and my hands are tied. I don't want to be a landlord, I hate being a landlord and as soon as its viable for me to sell, I will be doing so.

Now to the crux of the thread, some people are filthy disgusting animals and I cannot get my head around how they can (a) live in that manner and (b) be so ****ing disrespectful to another persons property. I am a tenant and I treat the house I am in as if it were my own, its cleaned weekly and extremely well maintained both inside and outside.

I am just back from my house because the tenant wasn't paying rent and wasn't answering his phone. The place is an absolute disgrace and looks like squatters are living there. The floors haven't been cleaned in at least 6 months and the gardens are out of control.

The prick even had the audacity to not bother switching the ESB over from the previous tenants and is about to be cut off leaving them with an €800+ bill. Now, it was the previous tenants responsibility to let the ESB know but still it takes brass balls to just run up a bill like that on somebody else's account, possibly seriously affecting their credit rating. This I feel is the worst part as they were a young family and they were lovely.

Its disgraceful and the law sides with tenants not the landlords. I can understand that there are some absolute a$$hole landlords but I was always obliging to whatever they needed doing and even going as far as dropping in wine at Christmas.

/rant

Specialun

I have news for you

Some people are assholes

RoboRat

I have news for you

Some people are assholes

Yep, realised that many years ago but thanks for confirming.

ScumLord

They sound like they'd fit in better at my apartments.

Vito Corleone

Every time the tenants leave we have to buy new furniture and basically do up the house, it's fucking ridiculous.

RoboRat

The point is that this kind of carry on seems to be quite normal nowadays. Before we rented our current place we went to a few places and the stories we were heard were absolutely shocking. I actually felt physically sick after one landlord told me what they had been through; the tenant was a doctor which was even worse.

Do people no longer have any respect for other peoples property?

RoboRat

Every time the tenants leave we have to buy new furniture and basically do up the house, it's ****ing ridiculous.

I have enough info about this scrote to catch up with him but I would just end up in the ****.

ThunbergsAreGo

RoboRat wrote: »

The prick even had the audacity to not bother switching the ESB over from the previous tenants and is about to be cut off leaving them with an €800+ bill.
/rant

Had this done to me before, very very frustrating

fussyonion

RoboRat wrote: »

The point is that this kind of carry on seems to be quite normal nowadays. Before we rented our current place we went to a few places and the stories we were heard were absolutely shocking. I actually felt physically sick after one landlord told me what they had been through; the tenant was a doctor which was even worse.

Do people no longer have any respect for other peoples property?

It's not normal.
I privately rented an apartment with my partner for nine years. In those nine years, we treated the place like it was our own.

We redecorated (with permission-Landlord was only thrilled we wanted to maintain it), we repaired anything and everything, went beyond the call of duty in some situations doing things the LL really should have, but we were happy to.

It was OUR home and it was our pride and joy.
We had a fantastic relationship with the LL and he, like you, would often pop in at Christmas with some wine or a voucher for a restaurant somewhere.

We always felt that was so generous of him and he said it was a pleasure to have us as tenants and that he wanted to show his appreciation.
Having this good relationship meant our tenancy went like a dream and when we moved out, the LL was genuinely upset to lose us.

I've heard since that his new tenants are a nightmare and have the place in bits.

To cut a long story short, OP, not all tenants are the same.
The majority take pride in their home-I know it's not technically *theirs* but you know what I mean-and I cannot understand how people can treat other peoples' home in such a disgusting way.

OP, maybe serve notice on your tenants, get them out and get someone else in.
Why should you put up with it?

RoboRat

Had this done to me before, very very frustrating

Can anything be done? I would like to be able to help the last tenants out if possible.

Nekarsulm

Actually it is the landlords responsibility to make sure utilities are properly changed over. Its your house that will be cut off, and you are the person who will be shelling out a reconnection fee. Your tenant will not be long running off to Threshold and Citizens Advice, and blaming you because there is no electricity in HIS house.

Also, if they have kids, expect lots of moral blackmail about the kids "freezing". Also expect bill to restock freezer, as there will be a lot of food ruined.

TheJackAttack

Jesus wept..

Lapin

It's a fairly disgusting lager alrite.

Cheap pish.

Alf. A. Male

Burn their house down, that'll show them.

Sir Osis of Liver.

Burn them out.

fussyonion

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Actually it is the landlords responsibility to make sure utilities are properly changed over. Its your house that will be cut off, and you are the person who will be shelling out a reconnection fee. Your tenant will not be long running off to Threshold and Citizens Advice, and blaming you because there is no electricity in HIS house.

When I was moving out, I contacted ESB to close my account and I was told I couldn't actually close it until I gave ESB the names of the new tenants.
I told them I didn't know the new tenants and they said "Well that's the policy. Unless you want to get the Landlord to open an account in his name"

I was basically given the impression it was my responsibility to close the account and ensure the new tenants opened a new one, according to ESB anyway.

RoboRat

OP, maybe serve notice on your tenants, get them out and get someone else in.
Why should you put up with it?

Locks have been changed and I am clearing it out tomorrow. No contact in a months calling, nobody been in the house for a few weeks so we have checked legally and it can be classified as abandoned.

Loads of decent electrical there so will keep it for the minimum and if they don't claim it, I'm selling to pay for the redecorating. If they do claim, I am looking into whether I can hold it until they pay for the damage.

jane82

When he moves out mop the floor and cut the grass. Dont let it get you down.

ThunbergsAreGo

RoboRat wrote: »

Can anything be done? I would like to be able to help the last tenants out if possible.

I think if you can prove someone else lived there then they can chase up the current tenants.

Mine was a shambles from ESB to be honest. We sorted it out through their solicitors was told everything was fine and forgot about it/lost documentation etc. Then 4 years later they demanded the money and said i couldnt get out of it.

Advice would be to get the previous tenant and yourself to contact the provider now and explain the situation. Do it as soon as possible

Davarus Walrus

My Dad owns a house in Galway city. He's a very reasonable sort of landlord; I'd even consider him a bit soft. Rented the place to a couple of mature students 2 years ago. Those neckbeard bastárds damn near killed the man from stress.

These goons had managed to break the washing machine and fridge. Holes in the carpet and couch where they had decided it was okay to extinguish their extremely pungent joints. Shower door smashed. Bedrooms never hoovered. Suffice to say most of the plates and cups were broken. The only thing they left was a poster of that asshole Che Guevara as he stared down at my poor Dad trying to pull the carpet in the living room.

Nekarsulm

fussyonion wrote: »

When I was moving out, I contacted ESB to close my account and I was told I couldn't actually close it until I gave ESB the names of the new tenants.
I told them I didn't know the new tenants and they said "Well that's the policy. Unless you want to get the Landlord to open an account in his name"

I was basically given the impression it was my responsibility to close the account and ensure the new tenants opened a new one, according to ESB anyway.

It always goes' back into the Landlords name. They (ESB) have landlords details on file. Why would you have contact with new tenants? This is the Landlords job, or the letting agents.

SouthTippBass

RoboRat wrote: »

Can anything be done? I would like to be able to help the last tenants out if possible.

Start by giving him his months notice, you're never gonna see that money so cut your losses. Make sure you get some decent references from your next tenants. Best of luck.

The Backwards Man

You never really know someone until you let a house to them. True there are plenty of good tenants out there, but there are far too many filthy animals too. Had one before that had a goat in the house, behind a couple of pallets in the corner of the kitchen. Never cleaned out after it, and eventually the level of bedding and goat dung was that high that it put holes in the ceiling with its horns.:mad:

myshirt

This is why you should never rent from an owner occupier.

RoboRat

Actually it is the landlords responsibility to make sure utilities are properly changed over.

No its not, accounts are in peoples names, not the house and I can't close somebody else's account. Yes, if its disconnected I will have to pay reconnection but the account is out of my hands.

RoboRat

Start by giving him his months notice, you're never gonna see that money so cut your losses. Make sure you get some decent references from your next tenants. Best of luck.

Thanks, locks were changed today. Been trying to get a hold of him for nearly 2 months now so he is out.

Lapin

If the tenant is still there increase the rent to cover the cost of the outstanding ESB debt.


EDIT: Just seen the above post. I hope you witheld his deposit.

Nino Brown

Nekarsulm wrote: »

It always goes' back into the Landlords name. They (ESB) have landlords details on file. Why would you have contact with new tenants? This is the Landlords job, or the letting agents.

Exactly, landlords details are on your lease, give them to the supplier, and request a confirmation and final bill be forwarded to your new address.

chewed

We were looking to rent our house out last year as I was planning to work abroad. The estate agent that came out to inspect the house, told me straight up that we should try to get non-nationals in to rent as they take more pride and less likely to destroy the house, compared with the Irish!

RoboRat

It always goes' back into the Landlords name. They (ESB) have landlords details on file. Why would you have contact with new tenants? This is the Landlords job, or the letting agents.

Where are you getting this info from? ESB accounts are in peoples names. Only the person who holds the account can change the account, this is the law. I have always transferred my account to a new address and given a final meter reading before I left.

Nino Brown

awec wrote: »

No it isn't. It is up to the account holder to cancel / move their own accounts.

Yes but getting details of new tenants isn't

awec

RoboRat wrote: »

Where are you getting this info from? ESB accounts are in peoples names. Only the person who holds the account can change the account, this is the law. I have always transferred my account to a new address and given a final meter reading before I left.

Right.

It is NOT the landlords job to cancel / move ESB or any other utility account.

That is the responsibility of the account holder.

Sadderday

I feel sorry for you,

My brother rented his home out for a year and the tenant was calling every week for something. He wouldn't cut the grass even though there was a lawnmower in the shed and he had young children so my brother had to arrange for a gardener to do up and make sure the garden was presentable. The tenant was destructful but awkward. Wanted imperfections like switches moved a few inches here and there... which isn't really necessary stuff.

But anyway, I have posted before on this kinda thing, I'm renting and look after the place like it was my own too. I would never hassle the LL but some estate agents really don't give a damn, we reported a broken tiolet months ago and leaky roof but the agent wont return our calls.

We tried to find the owners on FB and using the net to let them know directly that their roof might need to be looked at before it costs them big money to fix but we can't find them...

In my experience sometimes its the tenant that doesnt care about the property and sometimes the estate agents can let the property go to shi't too. Its sad.

Nekarsulm

awec wrote: »

No it isn't. It is up to the tenant to cancel / move their own accounts.

awec, yes I totally agree, it is up to the tenant leaving to close the account that is in their name. It should then revert to the landlord. If no new tenant is sourced for several weeks, who pays the standing charge, etc?

Nino Brown

awec wrote: »

Right.

It is NOT the landlords job to cancel / move ESB or any other utility account.

That is the responsibility of the account holder.

I'm confused, who said it was the landlord's responsibility?

fussyonion

I will echo what the OP and awec said-It *is* the tenants' responsibility to close their own account.

I was told by ESB if the Landlord wanted the account in his name, he'd need to call, but basically they wanted me to pass on the new tenants' details.

I said "Can you not just switch the account back into the LL's name?"
and they said "He would have to open his own account. You can close yours now, that's fine, but without new peoples' details, the supply will be cut off at the property."

The estate agent who was dealing with me at the time had no influence over this either.
ESB told me "If you don't pass on new tenants' details or have the LL open an account, the electricity supply will be cut off."

DHFrame

We rented for 6 years and looked after the place like it was our own. We left, lived in the in laws house for 9 months, and bought our own place, best thing we ever did. Renting is nasty for all involved. When I add up how much we paid over those years.....!!! I went back to the rent to collect some important post, posted there by error, and the new tenant invited me in for a cuppa. F**k me. The place was a **** tip. Material crap everywhere, dog destruction everywhere, up to at lease a meter. No cleaning being done. Garden = ****ole

What annoyed me most about renting that place is our Landlord cared a lot less about the place less than we did. And I absolutely believe that it is the Landlords responsibility to keep the Garden how it should be.

RoboRat

And I absolutely believe that it is the Landlords responsibility to keep the Garden how it should be.

How so? I have lived in about 10 different rentals and its always the responsibility of the tenants to maintain the upkeep of the house including gardens. It's in the contracts.

Renting is nasty for all involved.

As I said, economy screwed me over and I am left with a house I cant actually sell right now. Nothing I can do but rent it out.

Pawwed Rig

Nino Brown wrote: »

Exactly, landlords details are on your lease, give them to the supplier, and request a confirmation and final bill be forwarded to your new address.

You cannot sign someone else up for a contract.:rolleyes:
You call the supplier and tell them you are moving and here is the final meter reading. If there is noone to transfer the bill to they may say they will cut off utilities. It is then the landlord will often put the bill temporarily into his name.

Red_Dwarf

RoboRat wrote: »

Thanks, locks were changed today. Been trying to get a hold of him for nearly 2 months now so he is out.

It was for the Previous tenants to cancel ESB and the new tenants to open an account

Nino Brown

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

You cannot sign someone else up for a contract.:rolleyes:

Well I've done it, so yes I can. It's not signing a contract, it's over the phone and I just give them the landlords name and address.

Pawwed Rig

Nino Brown wrote: »

Well I've done it, so yes I can. It's not signing a contract, it's over the phone and I just give them the landlords name and address.

Yes and surprisingly the utility companies will accept that but legally the landlord has no responsibility to pay for anything as he never agreed to it in the first place. No contract no agreement. The utility companies tend to hope people don't know about these things

How can someone be liable for a contract they did not enter into?

myshirt

myshirt wrote: »

This is why you should never rent from an owner occupier.

What are you on about? Owner occupiers haven't even been mentioned.

RoboRat wrote: »

Where are you getting this info from? ESB accounts are in peoples names. Only the person who holds the account can change the account, this is the law. I have always transferred my account to a new address and given a final meter reading before I left.

If you are moving but don't want to continue your account (account already in your next place in another name, moving home etc etc) then you transfer it to the LL name and give a final reading. If you completely close your account then the LL has to pay the 1500 euro odd re-connection fee.

I did this last year when moving without any difficulty, rang the ESB and gave LL name and contact number and same with the gas as I was moving to a shared house which already had a gas and ESB account.

In my current house all bills are in the LL's name and the agreement is we just open the bills addressed to him and pay them. Works very well and as its a house share its much easier when people move in/out.

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

You cannot sign someone else up for a contract.:rolleyes:
You call the supplier and tell them you are moving and here is the final meter reading. If there is noone to transfer the bill to they may say they will cut off utilities. It is then the landlord will often put the bill temporarily into his name.

See above, I was told by both ESB and Bord gais that the procedure was to give the LL's name and contact number along with final meter reading when moving out if I did not want to transfer the account elsewhere. The LL obviously had no objection as he didn't want to be landed with a big re-connection fee.

Nino Brown

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Yes and surprisingly the utility companies will accept that but legally the landlord has no responsibility to pay for anything as he never agreed to it in the first place. No contract no agreement. The utility companies tend to hope people don't know about these things

How can someone be liable for a contract they did not enter into?

You're right, but when I call to close my account they ask for a name to change it into. I couldn't care less what happens after that, it's the suppliers problem.

Nekarsulm

Perhaps I was not clear enough in my post. A landlord who gets a tenant for his house, would be very silly not to take the time to ring ESB, who-ever, along with the tenant (in his presence) and give them the details of the new occupier . Otherwise in 4 or 6 months time, landlord will find ESB cut off, tenants gone, and a bill for 800 euro and a re-connection fee.

Pocoyo

chewed wrote: »

We were looking to rent our house out last year as I was planning to work abroad. The estate agent that came out to inspect the house, told me straight up that we should try to get non-nationals in to rent as they take more pride and less likely to destroy the house, compared with the Irish!

Nonsense utter nonsense unless these non nationals are professionals they are just the same if not worse.

fussyonion

I wasn't allowed give my LL's details to ESB. They said, and I quote "He needs to contact us himself."

Anyway this is going off topic now..

fussyonion

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Perhaps I was not clear enough in my post. A landlord who gets a tenant for his house, would be very silly not to take the time to ring ESB, who-ever, along with the tenant (in his presence) and give them the details of the new occupier . Otherwise in 4 or 6 months time, landlord will find ESB cut off, tenants gone, and a bill for 800 euro and a re-connection fee.

The Landlord does not open accounts for tenants.
I've been renting eleven years and it's always been the tenants' responsibility to open/close their utility accounts!

Call Me Jimmy

OP while I do sympathise you've already been advised by at least two posters to burn the place to the ground so how much more can we help you? :pac:

RoboRat

and a bill for 800 euro and a re-connection fee.

Reconnection fee is under €80. The bill is not my responsibility as I am not the account holder and the bill does not transfer or is not placed on the property.

The ESB have to follow up with the account holder, even if they were not responsible either. I will obviously work with the previous tenants to verify that they are not responsible. I have the current tenants PPS details along with where he works so that may help the ESB to collect the money owed.

dmc17

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

OP while I do sympathise you've already been advised by at least two posters to burn the place to the ground so how much more can we help you? :pac:

Less advice and more action!! :pac: